Post-Game Talk: Is it a cruel irony that PDO was created by an Oilers fan?

[Drivesaitl]

We definitely agree that neither seem to be the answer.

One last point for quality of opponent, for what it's worth:
Pickard xGAA: 2.26 (#1 in the entire league for goalies GP>/=10!!)
Skinner xGAA: 2.62 (#12, same filter)

That, to me, says 2 things:
1. The Oilers are very, very good.
2. Pickard plays against significantly poorer competition.

Yeah neither is the answer. Neither is a guy I would land on. Just for giggles borrowed this from another thread. Pretty obvious what our main problem is.

https://forums.hfboards.com/attachments/goaliess-png.965830/

Thanks for the reasonable exchange. Regarding the Expected vs actual GA until recently Pickard had around .4GAA lower than Skinner so difference in expected is .36 and actual was right there too until recently. A stronger Dec gave Skinner the edge there.

 

[guymez]

This is the last aspect of our team game that needs to be addressed and rounded out. All teams still look at us with the thought of "if we just get one we might be able to lean on them and get back." Need to start taking steps to address the deficiencies in our game that are allowing that to happen.

I couldnt agree more.
Time to learn how to consistently lock games down.

 

[guymez]

Draisaitl and McDavid are bad culprits of not making the safe play especially when they’re playing together.

I feel like they’re both much better defensively when running their own lines, when playing together it seems like they just outscore their problems

100% agree.
Having them together does seem to make that issue worse.
They are so used to creating offence (their entire hockey lives) that it must be really difficult to suppress those impulses in high danger areas of the ice. The thing is that they create so much together they can almost always outscore their mistakes.
I have ranted about the teams inability to lock down games on here a few times. This team has been able to outscore thier mistakes for so long now that locking down a game hasnt been necessary.
In tight games it is necessary though.

I do think that to win a cup (especially when they are spending bottom basement pricing on goaltending) they absolutely need to learn to lock down games.
As @K1984 pointed out in a previous post...they didnt do that in clutch games last year. Its not a stretch to suggest that if they did lock those games down (and a few other games) they would have won the cup.
Locking down a game can overcome having an average goalie IMO...especially tight games like the SC finals.

Until this team consistenly shows that it can lock down games the coaching strategy against the Oilers will be to keep pushing....because the Oilers will do something stupid eventually.
They need to get rid of the expectation that something stupid (a high risk/low reward play) is inevitable.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

In what universe has he escaped criticism for that? It sure isn't this one. The major frustration with the goaltending is that when our skaters do make the occasional mistake the goalies almost never come up with a save for them. Meanwhile the Oilers lose games strictly due to heroic goaltending efforts like twice a month.

Now the Oilers have invested almost no cap money into their goaltending so of course part of that is you get what you pay for but it should be no surprise people are clamoring for an upgrade.

It's a completely unforced error that happens all too often in the offensive zone. It's one thing to have a missed check, it's another to just blindly give the puck away.

Also at some point we need more offense from players not named McDavid or Draisatl. Part of the reason we lose due to "heroic goaltending" is because of our forwards not scoring enough. It's been a season long issue.

 

[McDNicks17]

We definitely agree that neither seem to be the answer.

One last point for quality of opponent, for what it's worth:
Pickard xGAA: 2.26 (#1 in the entire league for goalies GP>/=10!!)
Skinner xGAA: 2.62 (#12, same filter)

That, to me, says 2 things:
1. The Oilers are very, very good.
2. Pickard plays against significantly poorer competition.

That really isn't that significant though.

We're talking about a difference of 0.9 high danger chances per 60, 0.54 medium chances per 60 and 0.17 low danger shots per 60 at 5v5.

The only place where there's a big gap is at 3v3 where Skinner has faced about 3 xGF/60 more.

 

[CROTT]

Call it bad luck or just bad finishing, but a lot of times this season the oilers have failed to raise a shot into an empty net when given a HDSC. They fire it right into the goalies pad, those were almost automatic last year.

 

[Oilhawks]

Interesting you say this.
A quick look at the scoring depth for teams leading each division compared to the Oilers.

Toronto...6 players with 10 or more goals.
Washington....8 players with 10 or more goals.
Winnipeg.....6 players with 10 or more goals.
Vegas.....8 players with 10 or more goals.


Edmonton....4 players with 10 or more goals.

Apparently the depth scoring is just fine.

It hasn't been, but doesn't excuse Skinner's inconsistent and far too often poor play.

 

[McHelpus]

Interesting you say this.
A quick look at the scoring depth for teams leading each division compared to the Oilers.

Toronto...6 players with 10 or more goals.
Washington....8 players with 10 or more goals.
Winnipeg.....6 players with 10 or more goals.
Vegas.....8 players with 10 or more goals.


Edmonton....4 players with 10 or more goals.

Apparently the depth scoring is just fine.

If it makes you feel any better we only had 10 last year. But now Hyman, Bouchard, nuge have fallen off.

 

[McDNicks17]

Interesting you say this.
A quick look at the scoring depth for teams leading each division compared to the Oilers.

Toronto...6 players with 10 or more goals.
Washington....8 players with 10 or more goals.
Winnipeg.....6 players with 10 or more goals.
Vegas.....8 players with 10 or more goals.


Edmonton....4 players with 10 or more goals.

Apparently the depth scoring is just fine.

I'd say part of that is the Oilers basically having only one PP unit.

10 goal scorers at 5v5:
Toronto - 4
Washington - 3
Winnipeg - 2
Vegas - 3

Edmonton - 3

The other teams have a bunch of guys with a handful of goals on the PP while the Oilers top four goal scorers at 5v5 are also 4/5th of their PP unit.

 

[guymez]

I'd say part of that is the Oilers basically having only one PP unit.

10 goal scorers at 5v5:
Toronto - 4
Washington - 3
Winnipeg - 2
Vegas - 3

Edmonton - 3

The other teams have a bunch of guys with a handful of goals on the PP while the Oilers top four goal scorers at 5v5 are also 4/5th of their PP unit.

Its pretty clear that the Oilers still rely heavily on McDavid and Draisaitl.

If it makes you feel any better we only had 10 last year. But now Hyman, Bouchard, nuge have fallen off.

Yeah...much better depth scroing last season. Both Hyman and Bouchard had career years.
Whats happened to RNH?

It hasn't been, but doesn't excuse Skinner's inconsistent and far too often poor play.

100%
I'll be surprised if J Skinner is still with the team after the TDL.

 

[McDNicks17]

Its pretty clear that the Oilers still rely heavily on McDavid and Draisaitl.

For sure, but I don't think the depth scoring is that much of an issue.

They're top heavy in the top6, but if you drop the bar to 5 goal scorers at 5v5, the Oilers have more than all those teams.

 

[Oilhawks]

Its pretty clear that the Oilers still rely heavily on McDavid and Draisaitl.


Yeah...much better depth scroing last season. Both Hyman and Bouchard had career years.
Whats happened to RNH?


100%
I'll be surprised if J Skinner is still with the team after the TDL.

Stuart Skinner has had a poor season by every metric. Even his usual supporters have admitted this after that brutal last game.

Why is this so difficult to acknowledge?

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Stuart Skinner has had a poor season by every metric. Even his usual supporters have admitted this after that brutal last game.

Why is this so difficult to acknowledge?

There’s nuance to it, not so black and white…

 

[guymez]

Stuart Skinner has had a poor season by every metric. Even his usual supporters have admitted this after that brutal last game.

Why is this so difficult to acknowledge?

First off...you werent clear at all which Skinner you were referring to and you responded to a post that was entirley about goal scoring. Little wonder I assumed you were referring to J Skinner.
Secondly...I have said when S Skinner has had bad games.

Probably not enough hate though. My level of hate and outrage should be much higher.
Is that correct?

Skinner isnt going anywhere...you and a few others need to deal with that.
When a team spends bargain basement prices on goaltending then no one should be surprised when the goaltending is average at best. Thats what I have been saying all along.

In any event S Skinner is not nearly the only issue with this team. Secondary scoring and this tendency to make stupid high risk / high danger plays with the puck are issues the team should be focussing on IMO.

 

[guymez]

For sure, but I don't think the depth scoring is that much of an issue.

They're top heavy in the top6, but if you drop the bar to 5 goal scorers at 5v5, the Oilers have more than all those teams.

There is a big dropoff once you get past the top scorer (Draisaitl) on this team.
Also he is the only player on the team over 25 goals at the 47 game mark. 57% of the season done.
Lots of players (Hyman, RNH et al) having down years including McDavid.

 

[McDNicks17]

There is a big dropoff once you get past the top scorer (Draisaitl) on this team.
Also he is the only player on the team over 25 goals at the 47 game mark. 57% of the season done.
Lots of players (Hyman, RNH et al) having down years including McDavid.

Kind of speaks to how incredible Drai has been this year.

 

[guymez]

Kind of speaks to how incredible Drai has been this year.

Drai really has been incredible. I wish I knew what was wrong with McDavid.
He just doesnt look like himself to me.

 

[oobga]

If it makes you feel any better we only had 10 last year. But now Hyman, Bouchard, nuge have fallen off.

And we're 5th in the NHL in GF. May be unbalanced, but that's always been the way with this team. We are still scoring. Lack of finish is made up by being a top 5 team in generating chances. We are also one of the best at reducing chances against, which is absolutely necessary because our goaltending is mediocre.

5th in xGF/60 to make up for finish not being great this year
2nd best in xGA/60 to make up for goaltending being meh