2024 NHL Draft: WE DID IT, CELEBRINI IS OURS!!!

[tiburon12]

My addition:
TBL goes deep in the playoffs, neutering Chicago's second pick in the first round.

I'm also not convinced that we wouldn't just want the 11th pick this year rather than the unprotected. Bird in the hand and all, plus a shot at an upside D at 11OA. Sure if they trade Crosby and Guentzel, and Letang and Malkin retire, they'll be a bottom 5 team, but they also probably shouldn't be as bad as they are this year.

nice.

The point of this was to kinda keep track of the different things we should be hoping for. The Sharks getting the #1 pick isn't the only factor to pay attention to

 

[timorous me]

Yeah, I really like both of those teams as potential offersheet targets in ~2-3 years. I really think up and coming teams should take advantage of the offersheet mechanic. Or obviously as a discounted trade target.

That could be good, timing-wise. It seems to me you have to do it at a point where you're confident you're not going to be sacrificing too high of first round picks, so if you have the base of young guys in place (and cheap) and they're on the rise, then you add a very good player on an offer sheet, nice. But there is certainly some risk in doing it too soon.

Also, we probably shouldn't kid ourselves. It's the NHL--what manager out there actually does this?? (Not enough, that's for sure!)

 

[CaptainShark]

HAWKS WIN, HAWKS WIN! First road win since November 9.

Pens won as well. But if you prefer this years pick, it’s not all that bad, they have to win some to not finish in the top 10, might as well beat the Jackets.

 

[YUPPY 2 7 10 11]

Sharks 2023 NHL Entry Draft prospects update

Round #1

Will Smith. C
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[TR]
[TD]Boston College[/TD]
[TD]NCAA[/TD]
[TD]Games 33[/TD]
[TD]Goals 17[/TD]
[TD] Assists 37[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 54[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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[TR]
[TD]USA U20[/TD]
[TD]WJC-20[/TD]
[TD]Games 7[/TD]
[TD]Goals 4[/TD]
[TD]Assists 5[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 9[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Quentin Musty. LW
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[TR]
[TD]Sudbury Wolves[/TD]
[TD]OHL[/TD]
[TD]Games 44[/TD]
[TD]Goals 31[/TD]
[TD]Assists 47[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 78[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Round #2

Kasper Halttunen. RW
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[TR]
[TD]Finland U20[/TD]
[TD]WJC-20[/TD]
[TD]Games 7[/TD]
[TD]Goals 3[/TD]
[TD]Assists 3[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 6[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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[TR]
[TD]Finland U20 (all)[/TD]
[TD]International-Jr[/TD]
[TD]Games 9[/TD]
[TD]Goals 4[/TD]
[TD]Assists 3[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 7[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

London Knights

OHL

Games 49

Goals 30

Assists 24

Total Points 54

Round # 3
Brandon Svoboda. C
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[TR]
[TD]Youngstown Phantoms[/TD]
[TD]USHL[/TD]
[TD]Games 25[/TD]
[TD]Goals 7[/TD]
[TD]Assists 4[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 11[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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[TR]
[TD]Fargo Force[/TD]
[TD]USHL[/TD]
[TD]Games 7[/TD]
[TD]Goals 3[/TD]
[TD]Assists 2[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 5[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Round #4
Luca Cagnoni. D
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[TR]
[TD]Portland Winterhawks[/TD]
[TD]WHL[/TD]
[TD]Games 57[/TD]
[TD]Goals 13[/TD]
[TD]Assists 62[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 75[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Round #5

Eric Pohlkamp. D
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[TR]
[TD]Bemidji State Univ.[/TD]
[TD]NCAA[/TD]
[TD]Games 28[/TD]
[TD]Goals 7[/TD]
[TD]Assists 11[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 18[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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[TR]
[TD]USA U20[/TD]
[TD]WJC-20[/TD]
[TD]Games 7[/TD]
[TD]Goals 1[/TD]
[TD]Assists 2[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Round #6: No Pick

Round # 7

David Klee. C
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[TR]
[TD]Muskegon Lumberjacks[/TD]
[TD]USHL[/TD]
[TD]Games 49[/TD]
[TD]Goals 12[/TD]
[TD]Assists 17[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 29[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Yegor Rimashevsky. RW/LW
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[TR]
[TD]Dynamo Moskva[/TD]
[TD]KHL[/TD]
[TD]Games 45[/TD]
[TD]Goals 5[/TD]
[TD]Assists 9[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 14[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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[TR]
[TD]MHK Dynamo Moskva[/TD]
[TD]MHL[/TD]
[TD]Games 12[/TD]
[TD]Goals 4[/TD]
[TD]Assists 9[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 13[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[YUPPY 2 7 10 11]

Non Sharks draftee: Michkov with all the hypes before the draft, is just average. While Will Smith and Leonard are doing better than Michkov.​

​

Matvei Michkov​

2023–24

HC Sochi

KHL

Games 47

Goals 19

Assists 22

Total Points 41

Ryan Leonard​

Boston College

NCAA

Games 33

Goals 25

Assists 23

Total Points 48

USA U20

WJC-20

Games 7

Goals 25 3

Assists3

Total Points 6

 

[CaptainShark]

Why here?

Anyway, comparing scoring rates between KHL and college hockey isn’t fair. You need to use NHLe.

 

[Shark Finn]

Sharks 2023 NHL Entry Draft prospects update

Halttunen 30+24=54 in 49 GP for London Knights.

 

[Cas]

Why here?

Anyway, comparing scoring rates between KHL and college hockey isn’t fair. You need to use NHLe.

Comparing scoring rates between leagues is ludicrous.

 

[Le Rosbeef]

Non Sharks draftee: Michkov with all the hypes before the draft, is just average. While Will Smith and Leonard are doing better than Michkov.​

​

Matvei Michkov​

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[TR]
[TD]2023–24[/TD]
[TD]HC Sochi[/TD]
[TD]KHL[/TD]
[TD]Games 47[/TD]
[TD]Goals 19[/TD]
[TD]Assists 22[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 41[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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So for the record, I'm delighted with Smith, but to call Michkov "average" with those numbers in the KHL is hard to take seriously. That' not average at all.

 

[mogambomoroo]

So for the record, I'm delighted with Smith, but to call Michkov "average" with those numbers in the KHL is hard to take seriously. That' not average at all.

Yep, I would say KHL is still probably the closest to NHL points comparison. So Michkov would have a pretty good rookie seasoni if he was playing in NHL right now.

 

[Barrie22]

Yep, I would say KHL is still probably the closest to NHL points comparison. So Michkov would have a pretty good rookie seasoni if he was playing in NHL right now.

I wouldn't, have you seen who the top players are in the KHL? Goldobin is tied for 2nd in league scoring, that should tell you something about how that league has fallen in recent years.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

What a cruddy pick Svoboda was...

 

[Hodge]

What a cruddy pick Svoboda was...

Lol if people are already complaining about a 3rd round pick when literally every other player we drafted last year is outperforming reasonable expectations, we are in for a LONG ten years or whatever this rebuild ends up taking.

The D+1 performance of the players we drafted last year is a pretty extreme outlier and I would bet a lot of money that not only will some of them regress next season (at least in terms of production) but we will not get similar D+1 performances out of our 2024 class.

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

McDavid is 27 and they were bad for numerous years. Outside of getting lucky in the draft, it's super important the GM makes the right moves at the right time.

Otherwise you end up with horrible contracts like Neal, Lucic, Nurse, Kasian, Campbell, etc etc. (I'm watching the oilers game right now )

This is my concern. Look at those horrible contracts Pat Verbeek gave out.

I think theres a general disconnect between fans view of bad contracts and GMs. Friedman has mentioned, and i tend to agree, that having veteran players on a young team is very important to learning how to be professional and adapt to the game. Now just spitballing but are guys like Gudas and Killorn worth their contracts? No. Is it really impacting Anahiem's ability to compete? Also no. They will long be expired by the time that their young guys need new deals. And TBH they probably need to overpay to get guys there since they know they wont be a cup contender. If im signing for cheap, why not sign for 1m with a team like Toronto or Colorado.

I think this is why i dont view any of Griers deals as "bad contracts" since he's getting vets in to help the younger guys for a few years. The only truly bad deal we have is Vlasic's since hes also highly unlikely to be a positive vet presence.

If all we did was play young guys, sure it's more "fun" as fans because of the unknowns about prospects, but even if theyre GOOD-GREAT prospects thats how you end up as a Buffalo or pre McDavid Edmonton. Always young, always loads of potential, but also never a playoff team.

 

[Munnyro]

I think theres a general disconnect between fans view of bad contracts and GMs. Friedman has mentioned, and i tend to agree, that having veteran players on a young team is very important to learning how to be professional and adapt to the game. Now just spitballing but are guys like Gudas and Killorn worth their contracts? No. Is it really impacting Anahiem's ability to compete? Also no. They will long be expired by the time that their young guys need new deals. And TBH they probably need to overpay to get guys there since they know they wont be a cup contender. If im signing for cheap, why not sign for 1m with a team like Toronto or Colorado.

I think this is why i dont view any of Griers deals as "bad contracts" since he's getting vets in to help the younger guys for a few years. The only truly bad deal we have is Vlasic's since hes also highly unlikely to be a positive vet presence.

If all we did was play young guys, sure it's more "fun" as fans because of the unknowns about prospects, but even if theyre GOOD-GREAT prospects thats how you end up as a Buffalo or pre McDavid Edmonton. Always young, always loads of potential, but also never a playoff team.

I agree that the 100% tear down is bad. I'm not contrasting this with GMMG. Anaheim and other teams like the Oilers who gave out awful contracts the moment they were signed should be warnings.

However, there is a difference between Vets and legit bad contracts. They had Silfverberg (33), Carrick (32), Lyubushkin (29), Strome (30), McGinn (30), Henrique (32), Fowler (32), and Gibson (30) on the team at the start of the season. All of those players are 'fine' vets. Gudas and Killorn were awful signings day 1 plus the head scratching Ross Johnson waiver claim. Johnson with 2+ more after this year.

Side note, kinda wild that we don't have our own 3rd/4th/5th/6th round picks this year.

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

I agree that the 100% tear down is bad. I'm not contrasting this with GMMG. Anaheim and other teams like the Oilers who gave out awful contracts the moment they were signed should be warnings.

However, there is a difference between Vets and legit bad contracts. They had Silfverberg (33), Carrick (32), Lyubushkin (29), Strome (30), McGinn (30), Henrique (32), Fowler (32), and Gibson (30) on the team at the start of the season. All of those players are 'fine' vets. Gudas and Killorn were awful signings day 1 plus the head scratching Ross Johnson waiver claim. Johnson with 2+ more after this year.

Side note, kinda wild that we don't have our own 3rd/4th/5th/6th round picks this year.

some posters here just think every vet signing is a bad one cause it blocks a younger guy.

But i also dont hate the Gudas/Killorn deals. Gudas especially since outside of Fowler that D looks like ours so more vets back there helps. Killorn is overpaid but again both of them expire early.

Johnson is a goon and is paid like a 4th liner. Nothing spectatular. He makes slightly more than vet min. Good guy to keep around IMO.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Lol if people are already complaining about a 3rd round pick when literally every other player we drafted last year is outperforming reasonable expectations, we are in for a LONG ten years or whatever this rebuild ends up taking.

The D+1 performance of the players we drafted last year is a pretty extreme outlier and I would bet a lot of money that not only will some of them regress next season (at least in terms of production) but we will not get similar D+1 performances out of our 2024 class.

Oh I understand how the draft works. Still doesn't change the fact he was a bad pick on draft day (and we even traded UP for him) and he's progressing very badly in a low level league.

 

[Hodge]

Oh I understand how the draft works. Still doesn't change the fact he was a bad pick on draft day (and we even traded UP for him) and he's progressing very badly in a low level league.

Would you also describe the CHL as a low level league? Because there's no difference in quality between it and the USHL where Svoboda is playing.

He was a 3rd round pick. What are you even expecting? All the scouting geniuses on here wanted 5'9 160lb winger Jayden Perron who currently has 15 points in 33 games for North Dakota.

 

[Friday]

Oh I understand how the draft works. Still doesn't change the fact he was a bad pick on draft day (and we even traded UP for him) and he's progressing very badly in a low level league.

It's tradition around here to get zero value outta that 3rd rounder. Greiss in 2004 is the only NHL'er drafted from that spot in Sharks history haha

 

[coooldude]

Non Sharks draftee: Michkov with all the hypes before the draft, is just average. While Will Smith and Leonard are doing better than Michkov.​

​

Matvei Michkov​

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[TR]
[TD]2023–24[/TD]
[TD]HC Sochi[/TD]
[TD]KHL[/TD]
[TD]Games 47[/TD]
[TD]Goals 19[/TD]
[TD]Assists 22[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 41[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Ryan Leonard​

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[TR]
[TD]Boston College[/TD]
[TD]NCAA[/TD]
[TD]Games 33[/TD]
[TD]Goals 25[/TD]
[TD]Assists 23[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 48[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]USA U20[/TD]
[TD]WJC-20[/TD]
[TD]Games 7[/TD]
[TD]Goals 25 3[/TD]
[TD]Assists3[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 6[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

I'm no Michkov truther, but he's playing two leagues above the NCAA.

 

[YUPPY 2 7 10 11]

Yep, I would say KHL is still probably the closest to NHL points comparison. So Michkov would have a pretty good rookie seasoni if he was playing in NHL right now.

I think it's fair to say that, for the most part, the talent on KHL teams is not NHL level.
I would KHL teams consider a quality AHL level starter to be good enough to be a starter (suggesting that KHL is about on the AHL's level), would Michkov be given a backup job, or would something else happen entirely?
Here is my rankings of the different hockey leagues:

1. NHL
2. SHL
2.5 AHL
2.6. KHL
3. NCAA
4. WHL
5. MHL
6. QMJHL


Michkov was touted to be 2nd overall in the last draft except NHL teams didn't believe in him and he has KHL contract baggage so he falls to #7th. I know it's early, but it starting to show that he just had 1 exceptional year for MHL (20-21) where he scored 35 goals. I would expect him to be a barn-burner in a lower league like the KHL. He has all the tools to be a NHL superstar but his motivations might be in question. Look at his career stats, he is just AVERAGE. Before stating the obvious "KHL has superstars" it's worth remembering but there's very little parity in the K for teams outside of Moscow and apparently Magnitogorsk.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I think it's fair to say that, for the most part, the talent on KHL teams is not NHL level.
I would KHL teams consider a quality AHL level starter to be good enough to be a starter (suggesting that KHL is about on the AHL's level), would Michkov be given a backup job, or would something else happen entirely?
Here is my rankings of the different hockey leagues:

1. NHL
2. SHL
2.5 AHL
2.6. KHL
3. NCAA
4. WHL
5. MHL
6. QMJHL


Michkov was touted to be 2nd overall in the last draft except NHL teams didn't believe in him and he has KHL contract baggage so he falls to #7th. I know it's early, but it starting to show that he just had 1 exceptional year for MHL (20-21) where he scored 35 goals. I would expect him to be a barn-burner in a lower league like the KHL. He has all the tools to be a NHL superstar but his motivations might be in question. Look at his career stats, he is just AVERAGE. Before stating the obvious "KHL has superstars" it's worth remembering but there's very little parity in the K for teams outside of Moscow and apparently Magnitogorsk.

What about his career stats shows that he's average? Playing for Sochi is not like playing for Moscow or Magnitogorsk. By your standard, Kaprizov was also just average because they're doing similarly at similar ages.

 

[Juxtaposer]

What about his career stats shows that he's average? Playing for Sochi is not like playing for Moscow or Magnitogorsk. By your standard, Kaprizov was also just average because they're doing similarly at similar ages.

The KHL used to be significantly better than it is now. Michkov is still a special prospect but the fall of the KHL has been well-documented.

I think the AHL is the second best hockey league in the world now.

 

[YUPPY 2 7 10 11]

Pinkfloyd: "What about his career stats shows that he's average? Playing for Sochi is not like playing for Moscow or Magnitogorsk. By your standard, Kaprizov was also just average because they're doing similarly at similar ages."

They are not similar in stats. Kaprizov's significantly better stats than Michkov in the KHL. See below. That's being said. It's still early for Michkov to turn this thing around. But is Michkov worth going 2nd overall? That's my main question. Kaprizov was a 5th rounder@ #135.

Matvei Michkov Drafted round #1

22-23 HK Sochi

KHL

Games: 27

Goals 9

Assits 11

Total Points 20

23-24 HK Sochi

KHL

Games 47

Goals 19

Assists 22

Total Points 41

Kirill Kaprizov. Drafted round #5

2018-19

CSKA Moskva

KHL

Games 57

Goals 30

Assits 21

Total Points 51

2019-20

CSKA Moskva

KHL

Games 57

Goals 33

Assits 29

Total Points 62

 

[Hodge]

Pinkfloyd: "What about his career stats shows that he's average? Playing for Sochi is not like playing for Moscow or Magnitogorsk. By your standard, Kaprizov was also just average because they're doing similarly at similar ages."

They are not similar in stats. Kaprizov's significantly better stats than Michkov in the KHL. See below. That's being said. It's still early for Michkov to turn this thing around. But is Michkov worth going 2nd overall? That's my main question. Kaprizov was a 5th rounder@ #135.

Matvei Michkov Drafted round #1

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[TR]
[TD]22-23 HK Sochi[/TD]
[TD]KHL[/TD]
[TD]Games: 27[/TD]
[TD]Goals 9[/TD]
[TD]Assits 11[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 20[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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[TR]
[TD]23-24 HK Sochi[/TD]
[TD]KHL[/TD]
[TD]Games 47[/TD]
[TD]Goals 19[/TD]
[TD]Assists 22[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 41[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



Kirill Kaprizov. Drafted round #5

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[TR]
[TD]2018-19[/TD]
[TD]CSKA Moskva[/TD]
[TD]KHL[/TD]
[TD] Games 57[/TD]
[TD] Goals 30[/TD]
[TD]Assits 21[/TD]
[TD] Total Points 51[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]2019-20[/TD]
[TD]CSKA Moskva[/TD]
[TD]KHL[/TD]
[TD]Games 57[/TD]
[TD]Goals 33[/TD]
[TD]Assits 29[/TD]
[TD]Total Points 62[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

You're comparing stats from a 18/19 year old to stats from a 21/22 year old.