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2024 NHL Draft: WE DID IT, CELEBRINI IS OURS!!!

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StanleyCup2035 said:
If Sharks wind up with #3 and #12 picks (via Pens) and take Sam Dicksonson with #3 as @Juxtaposer writes, there is a non-trivial chance our #12 pick will have a better NHL career than #3.

Sam Dickinson's likely outcome is a 10+ year Top 4 (middle pairing) D on a good team
If Sharks draft Iginla, Eiserman, or Parekh, etc and those players hit their upsides...look out...
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Dickinson is very good and has 2/3 upside. With this post you are assuming our late pick reaches their absolute ceiling and Dickinson reaches his likely outcome.

Eiserman could easily be Sprong, Parekh could easily be Gustafson.
 
StanleyCup2035 said:
If Sharks wind up with #3 and #12 picks (via Pens) and take Sam Dicksonson with #3 as @Juxtaposer writes, there is a non-trivial chance our #12 pick will have a better NHL career than #3.

Sam Dickinson's likely outcome is a 10+ year Top 4 (middle pairing) D on a good team
If Sharks draft Iginla, Eiserman, or Parekh, etc and those players hit their upsides...look out...
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If we pick 3, my current guess is that we pick whoever of Lindstrom and Levshunov is still available.

I really hope the Pens stay in the 11-12 range. Last night was huge, but it's a tight grouping.

I'm guessing at 11-12 we take whoever of Yakemchuk, Iginla, Buium, Greentree, Helenius, Parekh is still available (in that order). It would be a dream if it's Yakemchuk but I think he goes in the top 10.
 
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I asked this question on the Hockey Guy's Youtube channel for this week's Power Rankings and I guess I should ask it here too. If the Sharks don't get the number 1 pick, is that the end of the world in terms of how long it will take for this franchise to get reasonably average to good again? I ask because I need to set my self up to not be disappointed when Chicago wins the Lottery again (Which I think they will for a number of reasons but they really are hopelessly bad) but I really hope next year is somewhat better than this year? I don't really follow this thread so maybe I should read up on the last few pages of posts but I was just curious.
 
SJSharksfan39 said:
I asked this question on the Hockey Guy's Youtube channel for this week's Power Rankings and I guess I should ask it here too. If the Sharks don't get the number 1 pick, is that the end of the world in terms of how long it will take for this franchise to get reasonably average to good again? I ask because I need to set my self up to not be disappointed when Chicago wins the Lottery again (Which I think they will for a number of reasons but they really are hopelessly bad) but I really hope next year is somewhat better than this year? I don't really follow this thread so maybe I should read up on the last few pages of posts but I was just curious.
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Picking McDavid would not turn this team around before 2026. Not picking #1 is not the end of the world.
 
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Cas said:
Picking McDavid would not turn this team around before 2026. Not picking #1 is not the end of the world.
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I guess I'm not talking about turning the team around. I'm talking about getting better. I don't expect playoffs or bust, but I would hope the team becomes watchable for the most part sooner rather than later.
 
SJSharksfan39 said:
I guess I'm not talking about turning the team around. I'm talking about getting better. I don't expect playoffs or bust, but I would hope the team becomes watchable for the most part sooner rather than later.
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The kids will keep developing. They'll keep getting better even if the team is still bottom 5 next year. It's fun even this year to watch Eklund, Zetterlund, even Granlund who is not a kid (all the Lunds... Hurry up Cam Lund).

Next year we have a reasonable shot at watching Mukh try to make the jump, and an outside shot at Musty.

Next year will be a bad team again. Hopefully bottom 5 bad (for the pick). There's a chance, if our prospects develop well, that we are back into bottom 10 territory by 2025-26. For the good of the franchise I hope we're not much better than that, as we could still use another year of a high pick.
 
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hohosaregood said:
I guess one thing we got going for us is that we should have no competition for the 1OA in 2025 and 2026. Don't think there's any other teams that should be in the bottom out phase of the rebuild except for us. Chicago and Anaheim should be up and out by then.
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Hagens in 2025 or McKenna in 2026 if we finally get lucky on lottery days.
 
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hohosaregood said:
I guess one thing we got going for us is that we should have no competition for the 1OA in 2025 and 2026. Don't think there's any other teams that should be in the bottom out phase of the rebuild except for us. Chicago and Anaheim should be up and out by then.
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I think you are putting too much faith in Chicago. Even with Bedard they look hopeless. What makes you think next year will be any different with Calibrini and Bedard. Maybe more experience but they, like the Sharks, have a long way to go.
 
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wishman said:
Unfortunately looking like Pittsburgh’s pick may roll into 2025. That may slow things down as well.
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Or it might speed things up if the penguins totally collapse next year and their pick turns into a top 3 selection. Father Time is undefeated and that core is really old. I am torn between rooting for them to finish just outside the top 10 or falling even more.

I guess there is an off chance they put together a better season next year, but it’s not too likely. As is said in another thread, they very much remind me of the Sharks a few years back, desperately clinging to the past.

I might have asked before, but don’t remember… how does next years draft compare to this years?

After blowing a 3-1 lead in the 3rd yesterday and giving up the GWG in the last minute, they are now demolished by the Oilers, 5-0 after 2.
 
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CaptainShark said:
Additional question: if the Pens pick is in the top 10, could the Pens decide to give the pick to the Sharks anyway without the Sharks consent or would the Sharks have to agree? And if the ladder is the case, what do you do if you are GMMG?
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If you can get a guaranteed top 10 pick you take it.

They still have talent even though it is old. They also would have no incentive to tank.

While it could be a top 3 pick next season I think it is just as likely they make the playoffs next season.
 
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Nobody really knows how next year is shaping up. Everyone said this was a weak draft except for a few top D, and now people are saying the top 15 is pretty strong and Celebrini could have gone 2OA last year.

The current BS guesswork says that next year is not a strong draft, but who knows. A top 3 pick is a top 3 pick. Unless it's Rathje's year that's probably helpful.
 
coooldude said:
Nobody really knows how next year is shaping up. Everyone said this was a weak draft except for a few top D, and now people are saying the top 15 is pretty strong and Celebrini could have gone 2OA last year.

The current BS guesswork says that next year is not a strong draft, but who knows. A top 3 pick is a top 3 pick. Unless it's Rathje's year that's probably helpful.
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But when making the decision, you don’t know if it will be top 3, so delaying the pick is only an easy decision if asume that a pick in the 15-20 range next year is roughly equivalent to the pick you would get in 2024 (8-10 OA). If that’s the case, pushing the pick back one year has a huge upside.
 
CaptainShark said:
Additional question: if the Pens pick is in the top 10, could the Pens decide to give the pick to the Sharks anyway without the Sharks consent or would the Sharks have to agree? And if the ladder is the case, what do you do if you are GMMG?
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Part of the conditions on the trade was Pens have the option to not use the protection, even if they are bottom 10.

Now, I don't know if Dubas will be willing to publicly imply "we will be bottom 5 next year" with Sid an co. still around, which is what not using protection would be, but they do have the choice.
 
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This year is so much less stressful than last year in terms of the draft.

Non generational #1OA and #2-#5 are all the same tier.

I’d like Demidov at the top(not even going to consider that we get celebrini) and one of the D men with Pitts pick, but I’ll be happy with whoever.
 
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we've joked about doomsday scenarios (chicago or Anaheim winning the lotto, pens getting a top pick and doing better next year, etc), but what is the best case scenario for the Sharks looking forward w/r/t draft lotto?

I think it's this:
  1. Sharks finish last and select 1st (don't "win" anything)
  2. Chicago finishes 2nd to last and drafts 3rd, Arizona drops to 3rd and drafts 4th, Anaheim finishes 4th and drafts 5th, because....
  3. One of the teams finishing 5-8 (CBJ, OTT, MTL), wins the 2nd lottery
  4. Pitt finishes 9/10 and keeps the pick, thus pushing the Sharks pick to 25. Dubas sells the farm after the draft, recouping a probable mid-1st in 25, while theirs becomes a top 5.
  5. NJ somehow makes the ECF
  6. Vegas trades their first and misses the playoffs somehow
That would give us:
2024 - 1OA, 29/30
2025 - 2 top 5 picks

And would block Chicago and Anaheim from a good outcome
 
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