2024 NHL Draft: WE DID IT, CELEBRINI IS OURS!!!

[rideaucrusher21]

I like Couture a lot, so I’m biased. But in his eyes, I don’t think staying here means never winning a cup. Obviously things aren’t going well now, and it’s taken for granted on these boards that the Sharks are 4, 5, etc. years away from contending. But maybe the players see it differently. Not saying he’s right, but he might have a different perspective.

 

[Barrie22]

I feel fans just blindly assume that every player will do whatever it takes and make whatever sacrifice they need to to get a chance at a Cup. But I don't think every player is like that nor should they be expected to feel that way.

Some people value stability and familiarity just as much, if not more than chasing a Cup. I know personally, I would. Couture is making big time money working in the city he always has. He didn't force the team at gunpoint to sign him to the deal. If he wants to finish out his career getting what he has earned, that is his right. He doesn't owe the organization anything more than that.

Spending 30+ years to be in the best league in the world and your main goal is not to leave a champion in that league then I'm sorry but you are in it for the wrong reasons.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Spending 30+ years to be in the best league in the world and your main goal is not to leave a champion in that league then I'm sorry but you are in it for the wrong reasons.

Obviously Couture wants to win it all, you can see it from his playoffs performance. I think the thing is that he is settled on being a Shark with his situation right now. I think he values family more right now with his injuries getting worse. He seems to be going step by step rather than demand a trade at a bad time for him and the Sharks contract wise.
I respect that, I believe when the time is right he and Sharks organization will discuss about a trade.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

To be honest, is there even a point in using the cap space? If they do I would hope it's for overpaid guys on last years of contracts where we get them for basically nothing (or even get something in addition). Guys like Kyle Palmeiri.

I think it’s sound to use cap space to assist in the rebuild by getting futures for other team’s dumps. For instance, I would rent Kahkonen for whatever they can get and then turn around and get a reasonably protected 1st or something like that from the Flyers for Cal Petersen and his extra year. I would do the same for whatever vacant skater positions we have after calling up kids who need to play in the NHL.

 

[TheBeard]

I think it’s sound to use cap space to assist in the rebuild by getting futures for other team’s dumps. For instance, I would rent Kahkonen for whatever they can get and then turn around and get a reasonably protected 1st or something like that from the Flyers for Cal Petersen and his extra year. I would do the same for whatever vacant skater positions we have after calling up kids who need to play in the NHL.

That's fair. I would honestly be cool with bringing back Goodrow if a first came with it. 4 more years is a lot, but 3.6 is tolerable and he's always gonna be a fan favorite just from that game 7 alone.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

That's fair. I would honestly be cool with bringing back Goodrow if a first came with it. 4 more years is a lot, but 3.6 is tolerable and he's always gonna be a fan favorite just from that game 7 alone.

I would be too if the price is right. I’d do Goodrow and a 1st for someone like Burroughs or Benning.

 

[TheBeard]

I would be too if the price is right. I’d do Goodrow and a 1st for someone like Burroughs or Benning.

I'd like to keep Benning around but Burroughs can f*** right off.

 

[Shark Finn]

I'm thinking that if Couture is healthy and playing well in the last year of his contract, a trade to a contender might become a more relevant option. But at this point, with health being a question mark and with multiple years left on his contract, I don't blame his mindset and attitude.

I do hope he gets healthy and is back at some point. He'd be valuable to any team, be it the Sharks, or a contender in the playoffs.

 

[Groo]

I think it’s sound to use cap space to assist in the rebuild by getting futures for other team’s dumps. For instance, I would rent Kahkonen for whatever they can get and then turn around and get a reasonably protected 1st or something like that from the Flyers for Cal Petersen and his extra year. I would do the same for whatever vacant skater positions we have after calling up kids who need to play in the NHL.

How much do you think ownership is on board with this kind of thinking?
I don't know if Hasso is all that keen on spending money on a loser. Case in point is the miniscule amount the Sharks retained in the EK65 deal.

 

[Barrie22]

How much do you think ownership is on board with this kind of thinking?
I don't know if Hasso is all that keen on spending money on a loser. Case in point is the miniscule amount the Sharks retained in the EK65 deal.

Altogether he is willing to spend 16 million dollars on players so they can play and help other owners revenues.

 

[STL Shark]

How much do you think ownership is on board with this kind of thinking?
I don't know if Hasso is all that keen on spending money on a loser. Case in point is the miniscule amount the Sharks retained in the EK65 deal.

He retained a lot when you factor in the contracts taken back. Like Barrie said below, retaining to let players make money for other owners is a tough pill to swallow unless it means getting an absolute king's ransom in return. Seems like for once, the Sharks are not taking short term views of the cap situation and are intent to fully reset the cap and roster rather than always being 1-2 years away from being out of cap hell.

I think we could do an Arizona and take a bad contract with a year left next year as we will have close to $40M in cap space if Hertl is dealt and Couture is LTIR, but Hasso and Grier should not be in the market for contracts beyond next year for that purpose because we have a wide open balance sheet for 2025-26 and could spend our way out of this rebuild in short order if we hit lottery luck with Celebrini and $70M of cap space for next offseason.

 

[Groo]

He retained a lot when you factor in the contracts taken back. Like Barrie said below, retaining to let players make money for other owners is a tough pill to swallow unless it means getting an absolute king's ransom in return. Seems like for once, the Sharks are not taking short term views of the cap situation and are intent to fully reset the cap and roster rather than always being 1-2 years away from being out of cap hell.

I think we could do an Arizona and take a bad contract with a year left next year as we will have close to $40M in cap space if Hertl is dealt and Couture is LTIR, but Hasso and Grier should not be in the market for contracts beyond next year for that purpose because we have a wide open balance sheet for 2025-26 and could spend our way out of this rebuild in short order if we hit lottery luck with Celebrini and $70M of cap space for next offseason.

Did Hasso end up saving money by making the trade in the long run?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

How much do you think ownership is on board with this kind of thinking?
I don't know if Hasso is all that keen on spending money on a loser. Case in point is the miniscule amount the Sharks retained in the EK65 deal.

I tend to suspect it's not very much otherwise that sort of deal would've already been done as Grier has had two offseasons to make such a deal if they wanted.

I tend to agree with you as it relates to Hasso not being too keen on spending money on a loser. The Karlsson trade has them spending roughly 5 mil on Karlsson being in Pittsburgh, 5 million on Hoffman, up to 11 million on Granlund, and up to 5 mil on Rutta. If they hold on to Granlund and Rutta until next year's trade deadline, that's basically spending 26 million to get out from paying Karlsson the approximately 34 mil left on his deal minus the retention. That's still a lot of money to spend on dumps and it's possible that with a lot of excess contracts expiring at the end of the year that they will transition that freed up cap space to these sorts of deals to try and accelerate the rebuild a bit but I'm not actually expecting it. I think this offseason will be the first one for Grier where he can choose to either invest in the future or try to add pieces to make the team more competitive. I just don't think the latter is a sound move based on what the team has right now...especially if Hertl wants out and/or Couture's injury is a career killer or makes him about as effective as Vlasic currently is where we're basically stuck with that contract until it expires or can be bought out.

 

[TheBeard]

The Karlsson trade has them spending roughly 5 mil on Karlsson being in Pittsburgh, 5 million on Hoffman, up to 11 million on Granlund, and up to 5 mil on Rutta. If they hold on to Granlund and Rutta until next year's trade deadline, that's basically spending 26 million to get out from paying Karlsson the approximately 34 mil left on his deal minus the retention

I do think you have to factor in the money he doesn't have to spend to fill the spots taken by Hoffman, Ruuta and Granlund. If Has would have just retained a larger chunk and not taken back the contracts, he still would have had to spend an additional 5 million or so to fill those spots (minimum).

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I do think you have to factor in the money he doesn't have to spend to fill the spots taken by Hoffman, Ruuta and Granlund. If Has would have just retained a larger chunk and not taken back the contracts, he still would have had to spend an additional 5 million or so to fill those spots (minimum).

Well, the minimum on the two spots filled by such a deal if they're vacated would be about 1.5 mil minimum. I'm not sure how you're coming up with 5 mil as the minimum there. We traded one d-man for a d-man and two forwards.

 

[TheBeard]

Well, the minimum on the two spots filled by such a deal if they're vacated would be about 1.5 mil minimum. I'm not sure how you're coming up with 5 mil as the minimum there. We traded one d-man for a d-man and two forwards.

If the team was going to bring in three absolute vet min guys to fill those spots then sure.

 

[coooldude]

I tend to suspect it's not very much otherwise that sort of deal would've already been done as Grier has had two offseasons to make such a deal if they wanted.

I tend to agree with you as it relates to Hasso not being too keen on spending money on a loser. The Karlsson trade has them spending roughly 5 mil on Karlsson being in Pittsburgh, 5 million on Hoffman, up to 11 million on Granlund, and up to 5 mil on Rutta. If they hold on to Granlund and Rutta until next year's trade deadline, that's basically spending 26 million to get out from paying Karlsson the approximately 34 mil left on his deal minus the retention. That's still a lot of money to spend on dumps and it's possible that with a lot of excess contracts expiring at the end of the year that they will transition that freed up cap space to these sorts of deals to try and accelerate the rebuild a bit but I'm not actually expecting it. I think this offseason will be the first one for Grier where he can choose to either invest in the future or try to add pieces to make the team more competitive. I just don't think the latter is a sound move based on what the team has right now...especially if Hertl wants out and/or Couture's injury is a career killer or makes him about as effective as Vlasic currently is where we're basically stuck with that contract until it expires or can be bought out.

We'll learn a ton this offseason. We know that Grier took a run at a few free agents last year that wouldn't have made our team much better but certainly would have influenced the gates (Tarasenko, e.g.).

If we draft high this year and get a player that can help right away (Celebrini...) and then we hear that either Grier missed out on some UFA or made a play at a trade, OR he's successful in making a fairly big splash, we will know that they're trying to pull the plane out of the nosedive.

If instead we draft players that are not going to help right away (Demidov, any of the D's who will objectively take longer to be ready), we can assume we're still bottoming out next year.

I agree with you -- I hope we keep investing in the future / drafting top 5 next year with a bad team (but hopefully more entertaining than this year). But there is a chance that Hasso wants to try to get out of the basement faster IF we get the right luck in the draft.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Another great video from EP that lines up with why I like Levshunov so much.

In short:
- physical tools are off the wall
- great offensive brain and shot
- potential to be an excellent shutdown player if he develops right
- his flaws are fixable

He’s obviously not anywhere close to a finished product or a perfect player, but he’s already so good as he is and he has so much room to develop further.

 

[sharski]

At this point I don't even care where the sharks draft

Whoever they get at whatever draft position, im going to just assume they're the savior of the franchise

 

[Pinkfloyd]

If the team was going to bring in three absolute vet min guys to fill those spots then sure.

The only thing though is that we already had those guys when the deal happened. Not that I'd change the deal or not done it or something like that but it would've looked a lot different if we got the Karlsson deal done in July instead of August. It may have made it to where we don't bury Lindblom and/or Simek and/or Knyzhov w/o the dumps we took back. We may not have done the Lorentz for Duclair deal ahead of that but this sort of stuff is nitpicky to me. I had already accepted that this year was going to be another sort of tick down contracts sort of year.

 

[TheBeard]

The only thing though is that we already had those guys when the deal happened. Not that I'd change the deal or not done it or something like that but it would've looked a lot different if we got the Karlsson deal done in July instead of August. It may have made it to where we don't bury Lindblom and/or Simek and/or Knyzhov w/o the dumps we took back. We may not have done the Lorentz for Duclair deal ahead of that but this sort of stuff is nitpicky to me. I had already accepted that this year was going to be another sort of tick down contracts sort of year.

Regardless the team was never going to bring back pieces that would pay immediate dividends and even if we did it would have been the wrong decision.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Regardless the team was never going to bring back pieces that would pay immediate dividends and even if we did it would have been the wrong decision.

No, I was happy with the limited retention and the 1st round pick. I don't even expect the 1st round pick to be anything given what the draft looks like this year (even with Pittsburgh's pick being at 12 right now). Having all but 13% of Karlsson's contract off the books and the dumps taken back expired by the end of next season is going to help tremendously regardless of the direction Grier decides to take them in.

 

[coooldude]

Another great video from EP that lines up with why I like Levshunov so much.

In short:
- physical tools are off the wall
- great offensive brain and shot
- potential to be an excellent shutdown player if he develops right
- his flaws are fixable

He’s obviously not anywhere close to a finished product or a perfect player, but he’s already so good as he is and he has so much room to develop further.

Their intro perfectly encapsulates him for me: "yes he's a top performer in the draft class right now, and an easy player to project to an NHL role, but at the same time, he's a very rough prospect still who is going to need a lot of development. And that's both exciting, because the upside is great, and a bit scary too."

 

[hohosaregood]

Their intro perfectly encapsulates him for me: "yes he's a top performer in the draft class right now, and an easy player to project to an NHL role, but at the same time, he's a very rough prospect still who is going to need a lot of development. And that's both exciting, because the upside is great, and a bit scary too."

IIRC that's pretty similar to Mintyukov's projection in his draft year right? Although he wasn't projected to go in the top 3.

 

[Juxtaposer]

IIRC that's pretty similar to Mintyukov's projection in his draft year right? Although he wasn't projected to go in the top 3.

Yes, except Levshunov is bigger and stronger so his defensive projection is easier.