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Who do you want at #5?

  • Tij Iginla

    Votes: 209 49.5%

  • Cole Eiserman

    Votes: 14 3.3%

  • Berkly Catton

    Votes: 92 21.8%

  • Konsta Helenius

    Votes: 13 3.1%

  • Beckett Sennecke

    Votes: 75 17.8%

  • Zayne Parekh

    Votes: 19 4.5%
  • Total voters
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WeThreeKings said:
He has not established himself as a NHL center. I doubt he does either.



You're talking about an extreme outlier and even he was playing D in his draft year.

The question is what qualities does the player have if they aren't currently in that position which make us think they could be the outlier? In my view there's nothing about Iginlas game that is what a center would do.
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My thing with Iginla is he’s so young and progressing so fast we don’t know what his game is necessarily, like if he were born just a month and a half later he’d be in next years draft and who knows how high he’d go there.

It’s going to be interesting to watch his development next year and where he slots in positionally.

My thing is hockey minds are too simple sometimes and need to get more modernized like the NFL for instance
 
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Genghis Keon said:
There's a lot of talent at the top of the draft and I think a lot of guys have the potential to be stars if everything works out, but I think Lindstrom might be the only one who could likely be a problem for other teams in the playoffs even if he ends up being a relatively disappointing pick.

Let's say he ends up being a 25 goal, 25 assist centre who's roughly 50% on faceoffs and decently responsible defensively. That's no where near his upside, but he'd be a 6'3 220+ pound mean power centre with some offense and enough defense not to necessarily get dominated if he finds himself matched up against a top line. That'd be a nice bloody player to have in the playoffs. Matchups matter in the playoffs and some teams might not have an answer for him. Or they'd have to line match their best d pairing to stop him, drawing them away from our top line.

If he reaches more of his potential, he'd be an even bigger problem.
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Sounds like Keith Primeau.

And I'd be all for that.
 
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NHL teams always try to copy whatever is working at the moment and rn if you want to fight a team like Florida you go Lindstrom.

I’m 100% he’s not making it to us now.
 
McGees said:
Is this official measurements or ones provided before combine?

https://x.com/i/web/status/1797258298883821652
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aatos koivu is officially 6'1.

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Gally11 said:
My thing is hockey minds are too simple sometimes and need to get more modernized like the NFL for instance
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I don’t know how advanced NFL drafting methodology is vs the NHL, but on average, the NFL is drafting 22 year olds where a significant number has the ability to step into an NFL roster immediately.

The NHL on the other hand, is drafting 18-20 year olds and the vast majority require development.

It’s just so much more difficult to project an 18 year old vs a 22 year old draftee, which probably explains in large part why NHL drafts are less efficient than the NFL.

Plus, watching the NFL draft this year, I’ve heard time and again how a team can win a draft via its picks in the 3-7th rounds, which explains how several NFL teams chose to trade down in exchange for extra later picks. That strategy would likely backfire in the NHL, where the chances of landing a viable player decrease significantly the further away you get from the 1st-2nd round.

Best way to succeed in an NHL draft is to have advanced scouting tools (competent analytics) and the best talent evaluators you can get. Some scouts and scouting directors have a better track record than others and prying those away is huge but difficult to do.
 
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ReHabs said:
I think it was the only reasonable interpretation of your comment. I don't want to draft the next Phil Danault but it was worth asking if you think that's the height of what we should get to dream about.

I'm still sticking with the pure-talent. I'm 0/2 since the HuGo era started but this year, I'm going to hold out for Catton.
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Here's an alternative interpretation:

"There's a lot of talent at the top of the draft and I think a lot of guys have the potential to be stars if everything works out"

I think a lot of players at the top of the draft have the upside to be stars if everything goes right in their development (Lindstrom included).

"but I think Lindstrom might be the only one who could likely be a problem for other teams in the playoffs even if he ends up being a relatively disappointing pick."

Not all players max out their upside. Even if Lindstrom doesn't max out his potential--in fact, even if he ends up being a disappointment--I think he could be a major asset in the playoffs, a problem for other teams. And I think he's the only player at the top of the draft you can say that about.
 
"Let's say he ends up being a 25 goal, 25 assist centre who's roughly 50% on faceoffs and decently responsible defensively."

For example, here's a situation where Lindstrom is just a 50 point centre.

"That's no where near his upside"

Lindstrom's potential is a hell of a lot higher than just being a 50 point centre. It would be a disappointment if he ends up just being a 50 point centre.

"but he'd be a 6'3 220+ pound mean power centre with some offense and enough defense not to necessarily get dominated if he finds himself matched up against a top line. That'd be a nice bloody player to have in the playoffs. Matchups matter in the playoffs and some teams might not have an answer for him. Or they'd have to line match their best d pairing to stop him, drawing them away from our top line."

Even if Lindstrom doesnt come close to reaching his max potential and ends up just being a 50 point centre, he'd still likely be a problem for opponents in the playoffs because he'd be a super sized mean centre with some offense and enough defense not to be played off the ice if he gets a bad matchup.
 
"If he reaches more of his potential, he'd be an even bigger problem."

If Lindstrom would likely be a problem for other teams in the playoffs if he ends up being a disappointment (just a 50 point centre), he would obviously be even more of a problem if he's not a disappointment (if he's more than just a 50 point centre).
 
Genghis Keon said:
Not all players max out their upside. Even if Lindstrom doesn't max out his potential--in fact, even if he ends up being a disappointment--I think he could be a major asset in the playoffs, a problem for other teams. And I think he's the only player at the top of the draft you can say that about.
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Genghis Keon said:
Even if Lindstrom doesnt come close to reaching his max potential and ends up just being a 50 point centre, he'd still likely be a problem for opponents in the playoffs because he'd be a super sized mean centre with some offense and enough defense not to be played off the ice if he gets a bad matchup.
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Genghis Keon said:
If Lindstrom would likely be a problem for other teams in the playoffs if he ends up being a disappointment (just a 50 point centre), he would obviously be even more of a problem if he's not a disappointment (if he's more than just a 50 point centre).
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You think he has a high floor. That's perfectly fair. I don't believe we should consider floor when looking at a top5 pick but we could disagree on that. I think a team like ours should swing for the highest upside as often as possible and I don't think we need to depict scenarios where our top5 draft pick turns out to be the next Philip Danault as an argument in favour of that player.
 
Kent Nilsson said:
NHL teams always try to copy whatever is working at the moment and rn if you want to fight a team like Florida you go Lindstrom.

I’m 100% he’s not making it to us now.
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Interesting thought. I'm not sure if it is to our benefit to steer clear of Lindstrom or it'll be a loss. As a rule of thumb, I don't like prospects with more Gs and As, it's a proxy knock against their playmaking upside.

How do prospect junkies compare eg. Leo Carlsson and Cayden Lindstrom?
 
ReHabs said:
Interesting thought. I'm not sure if it is to our benefit to steer clear of Lindstrom or it'll be a loss. As a rule of thumb, I don't like prospects with more Gs and As, it's a proxy knock against their playmaking upside.

How do prospect junkies compare eg. Leo Carlsson and Cayden Lindstrom?
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Not a prospect junkie, but Carlsson was a much better prospect from what I hear
 
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ReHabs said:
You think he has a high floor. That's perfectly fair. I don't believe we should consider floor when looking at a top5 pick but we could disagree on that. I think a team like ours should swing for the highest upside as often as possible and I don't think we need to depict scenarios where our top5 draft pick turns out to be the next Philip Danault as an argument in favour of that player.
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I'm not necessarily talking about floors. I'm talking about the likelihood of being a weapon in the playoffs. If the top 12 or 15 guys hit their absolute ceilings, I think they're stars, including Lindstrom. I just happen to think that Lindstrom is more likely to be a weapon in the playoffs regardless of his outcome.

If he maxes out, he's what, a ppg+ physically dominant centre who absolutely no one looks forward to going up against? You can dream on him. But he's not the only guy you can dream on at the top of the draft. But what if he reaches 90% of his potential? Or 80, 70, 60, 50%? I think Lindstrom would still be a problem in the playoffs and I don't think the others would be.

Note that I'm not even necessarily advocating drafting him. I'm just applying a different lens.
 
McGees said:
I think it’s hopium to think we can get Demidov but would be cool if the stars align for it.
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I'm not so sure.

Even with the LD depth being what it is, I would seriously consider both Silayev (who also plays RD) and Dickinson for our pick. Add Levshunov and I could see a scenario where Demidov falls to 5. A team could also love any of the three other top defensemen. I'm not sure teams will repeat the mistake of 2018 where they let a bunch of high end defensemen on the boards. This D class has skill, size, speed and smarts.
 
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Runner77 said:
I don’t know how advanced NFL drafting methodology is vs the NHL, but on average, the NFL is drafting 22 year olds where a significant number has the ability to step into an NFL roster immediately.

The NHL on the other hand, is drafting 18-20 year olds and the vast majority require development.

It’s just so much more difficult to project an 18 year old vs a 22 year old draftee, which probably explains in large part why NHL drafts are less efficient than the NFL.

Plus, watching the NFL draft this year, I’ve heard time and again how a team can win a draft via its picks in the 3-7th rounds, which explains how several NFL teams chose to trade down in exchange for extra later picks. That strategy would likely backfire in the NHL, where the chances of landing a viable player decrease significantly the further away you get from the 1st-2nd round.

Best way to succeed in an NHL draft is to have advanced scouting tools (competent analytics) and the best talent evaluators you can get. Some scouts and scouting directors have a better track record than others and prying those away is huge but difficult to do.
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Yeah that’s a fair point! I always thought NHL should be pushed at least a year later.

I do think though that from a development standpoint NHL teams are more rigid in their position swapping than NFL tends to be, unless it’s centre to wing. Though NFL is seeing less of that these days
 
Genghis Keon said:
I'm not necessarily talking about floors. I'm talking about the likelihood of being a weapon in the playoffs. If the top 12 or 15 guys hit their absolute ceilings, I think they're stars, including Lindstrom. I just happen to think that Lindstrom is more likely to be a weapon in the playoffs regardless of his outcome.

If he maxes out, he's what, a ppg+ physically dominant centre who absolutely no one looks forward to going up against? You can dream on him. But he's not the only guy you can dream on at the top of the draft. But what if he reaches 90% of his potential? Or 80, 70, 60, 50%? I think Lindstrom would still be a problem in the playoffs and I don't think the others would be.

Note that I'm not even necessarily advocating drafting him. I'm just applying a different lens.
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This is very well said. I’m on the Lindstrom bandwagon as well.
 
vokiel said:
He's definitely not an offensive minded D for sure. He's a big meanie though.
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He is, and if he turned out as good as Struble I'd rather have him since he's a righty, but I think he'd be redundant and not worth the opportunity cost of a potential top 6/9 forward we could get at 26
 
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