Pre-Game Talk: 2024 Draft Thread

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I was able to watch good bit of Vancouver Giants game last night. Roberts is super intriguing. Moves well for his size, seemed comfortable with puck, had look of future nhl d. Now is that top pair? Bottom? Need to dive deeper, but if we get another 1st he is kind of guy that could be great fit there.
Speaking of a mighty giant, did you see how far Adam Titlbach fell? 223! He was ranked as high as 15 that I have tracked.

There is some video of Roberts I believe on McKeens website. I like what I’ve seen, read, and heard. Very translatable game to the NHL.
 
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I think you hit on something key in that last line (I agree with the rest so not much to say on that) that we as a group too often overlook.

The clearest path to becoming a contender again is by accumulating the best players that we can. by reaching for need in the draft you set the organization back, often significantly. You can fill organizational needs through other means, as we were reminded again by ducks-flyers trade this week. the particulars of the trade were so interesting (Kevin Hayes!) that has gotten a bit overlooked. At it's core, this deal is similar to the Seth Jones-RyJo deal, the Shanny-Pronger deal, or untold others where team's were able to get stud d by trading stud f.

If we don't get Dickinson or Silayev but can get someone like lindstrom or helenius versus a defenseman like yak or someone who is a tier or 2 lower in our ratings, then we should 100% take the F and find another way to get that d. and it doesn't have to be immediately, as none of these guys are likely to help next year. perhaps we could deal our pick or one of our stud prospect like dvo or snuggy or whatever for reinbacher or clarke or nemec or david jiricek or whomever we feel is the stud d we need.

I just can't envision relying on the type of very rare deal that includes a blue chip D prospect. They rarely happen as is, the latest of which (Seth, Sergachev) very much favor the team receiving the D player, which I think will only make them rarer. Which is why the recent ones trading top D prospects (Fox, Drysdale) were deals where someone refused to play for their team and forced a deal to happen that otherwise wouldn't. I don't see any of those D prospects you mentioned moving unless they majorly flop.

I think this is the crux of the issue. We're constantly relying on something else to bail us out of not investing on D, and it's not working.
 

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That is interesting question. I've been watching lots of games (and highlights when I can't find games) of d prospects to try to get my arms around this. Currently there are 2 guys who I am confident have top pair upside (doesn't mean they will reach it, just that it's not that hard to squint and see it without anything crazy happening). Those are Dickinson and Silyaev and neither are likely to be around past top 5-7 picks (if they make it that long).

The next few guys all have a lot more questions about them-

Levshunov is most likely going to go in top 10, maybe top 5, but I am not yet convinced. He has prototypical size, is putting up great stats in NCAA, and skates quite well for his size. But every time I watch him he looks like a disaster in his own end, is sloppy with the puck, and leaves me with more questions than answers. Now, 2 years ago he was playing in Belarus and is 3rd youngest guy in NCAA, so I anticipate there is still quite a bit of runway here with him. He COULD be a stud #1 guy. Or he could be much, much less. This is guy who you want to watch every month or so to see his progress, bc if it clicks for him he could be exactly who you are looking for. By the teens I think risk is worth it. At 5-7 range I'm not there, yet.

Buium is probably the next best guy. He is 2nd youngest guy in NCAA (after Celebrini) and reminds me a lot of Shatty. I think he will be very good NHL player and is appropriate value in 10-12 range if not a bit higher. is lefty but is playing right side. however, i think he is ideally the anchor of 2nd pair with easier minutes and not the 1st pair stud we are ideally seeking. that said, if he is best guy on board when we pick i would take him.

after that, it gets a lot more jumbled. you have parekh and yakemchuck who are both really good offensively and kind of a mess defensively. they can improve on d and become what you are looking for, but will they? at some point the upside makes it worth it and if all they are is tyson barrie types it's not the worst outcome, but not at 10-12.

you have a couple of european guys who were highly touted but were having rough seasons before getting hurt. i think kiviharju will be back at some point this season, but jiricek won't. kiviharju looks to have great hockey sense but is only 5'10". Jiricek (younger brother of cbj young stud) has all the tools and good size (less than his brother who was top 10 pick couple years ago), but for every nice play he makes there is 1 that makes you wonder if he will ever be decent nhl player. lots of folks like him, but i get bust vibes from him.

Beyond those guys, I don't yet have any d at a level that would merit serious consideration in top 12 picks or so. There are still some intriguing guys who i think i would be comfortable taking later in 1st or at least in 2nd (LSW and Freij from Sweden, Shuravin perhaps, Skahan and Emery from NTDP, and multiple intriguing guys in CHL led by Mews). D tend to develop slower than forwards, so it's not unusual for them to be risers as we get closer to draft so this is something to continue to monitor in the months ahead.
UPDATE: after watching a LOT of hockey last couple days, i am warming up to levshunov (and parekh) more and more. he looked so much better this weekend than he did when i saw him couple months ago. there is still too many risky plays, but he is everywhere on the ice making plays. tape-to-tape passes, denying entries and emerging with puck, even looking like kyrou flying down wing to score goal on odd man rush. makes you salivate. and then he makes a blind pass to opponent right in front of spartan goal. so there is lots to clean up, but at various points i got dustin bufgylin (sp), brett burns, and drew doughty vibes from today.

i still think he has more risk than dickinson (whose upside feels like petro and downside feels like hanifan), but i'm understanding more and more why he is so highly ranked. and the improvement is exciting. if we have 1st pick, i'm celebriniating. if we have 2nd, i think our top option is likely going to be one of levshunov, silayev, or dickinson. not saying they are BETTER than the other forwards, but i think they are on same tier as top forwards (after macklin) and with positional value that is way to go. will be interesting to see how each of the 3 continue to develop.
 

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The D-men

DEFENSEMEN: Philippe Blais-Savoie, Tri-City (USHL); Tanner Henricks, Lincoln (USHL); Cole Hutson, USA U-18 (NTDP); Noah Lapointe, USA U-18 (NTDP); Finn McLaughlin, Youngstown (USHL); Luke Osburn, Youngstown (USHL); Will Skahan, USA U-18 (NTDP); John Whipple, USA U-18 (NTDP)

DEFENSEMEN: Eric Emery, USA U-18 (NTDP); William Felicio, Madison (USHL); Elliott Groenewold, Cedar Rapids (USHL); * Logan Hensler, USA U-18 (NTDP); Adam Kleber, Lincoln (USHL); Sam Laurila, USA U-18 (NTDP); Tory Pitner, Youngstown (USHL); * Dakoda Rheaume-Mullen, USA U-18 (NTDP)

*-2025 NHL Draft eligible
 
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The D-men

DEFENSEMEN: Philippe Blais-Savoie, Tri-City (USHL); Tanner Henricks, Lincoln (USHL); Cole Hutson, USA U-18 (NTDP); Noah Lapointe, USA U-18 (NTDP); Finn McLaughlin, Youngstown (USHL); Luke Osburn, Youngstown (USHL); Will Skahan, USA U-18 (NTDP); John Whipple, USA U-18 (NTDP)

DEFENSEMEN: Eric Emery, USA U-18 (NTDP); William Felicio, Madison (USHL); Elliott Groenewold, Cedar Rapids (USHL); * Logan Hensler, USA U-18 (NTDP); Adam Kleber, Lincoln (USHL); Sam Laurila, USA U-18 (NTDP); Tory Pitner, Youngstown (USHL); * Dakoda Rheaume-Mullen, USA U-18 (NTDP)

*-2025 NHL Draft eligible
It will be really interesting to see how Logan Hensler and Jimmy Hagens do. I've got both on the short list for 1st overall in '25.
 
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Just getting into watching these guys. I love Demidov. Maybe because he's Russian and playing in the MHL currently there's a chance we could get our hands on him with a drop in the standings. I'd expect him to stick in the KHL before the seasons over though. So skilled and I actually think he has a lot of good habits with the way he engages in puck battles, how he hunts for space in scoring areas, and some good puck management (this isn't consistent but he's a young skilled player and I think there are signs this will eventually be a strength). Could see this guy ending up as the best player from this draft.
 

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The D-men

DEFENSEMEN: Philippe Blais-Savoie, Tri-City (USHL); Tanner Henricks, Lincoln (USHL); Cole Hutson, USA U-18 (NTDP); Noah Lapointe, USA U-18 (NTDP); Finn McLaughlin, Youngstown (USHL); Luke Osburn, Youngstown (USHL); Will Skahan, USA U-18 (NTDP); John Whipple, USA U-18 (NTDP)

DEFENSEMEN: Eric Emery, USA U-18 (NTDP); William Felicio, Madison (USHL); Elliott Groenewold, Cedar Rapids (USHL); * Logan Hensler, USA U-18 (NTDP); Adam Kleber, Lincoln (USHL); Sam Laurila, USA U-18 (NTDP); Tory Pitner, Youngstown (USHL); * Dakoda Rheaume-Mullen, USA U-18 (NTDP)

*-2025 NHL Draft eligible
This is an interesting group. Not sure if a first is in that group this year. Maybe Emery but some good talent.

Interesting forward group as well. Saw D+1 Jake Fisher on that list. May be worth a late round pick as a long term project.
 

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Are they legit? I thought that was just fanboy site.
Pretty much. It can be handy when they gather scouting reports from around the internet, but I wouldn't put much stock into their opinions. With how he's tearing up the NCAA, he's not going to fall. Could see him in play with where we'll draft though.
 
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Are they legit? I thought that was just fanboy site.
They aren’t central scouting but entertaining nonetheless. How legit is central scouting if they excluded Noel Fransen altogether? Just like to read their takes along with the others regardless.

Buium is really good and probably a first, but I don’t see any team picking a 6’4”right hand shot D with tons of tools after him. Buium on a college team that is half draft picks. He should have great numbers. Yet Levshunov is only 2 points behind him.
 
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Are they legit? I thought that was just fanboy site.
I’m up for any site draft wise that maybe out there from anyone. Any others you recommend or anyone else? Prefer McKeens, the black book, Smaht, sick, elite prospects, fc hockey.

I’m trying to figure out if I should “weight” my values on the spreadsheet I keep as some of the sites have some value but not near as much say central scouting. Then again, I haven’t really compared who was closest to what actually happened draft day.
 
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I’m up for any site draft wise that maybe out there from anyone. Any others you recommend or anyone else? Prefer McKeens, the black book, Smaht, sick, elite prospects, fc hockey.

I’m trying to figure out if I should “weight” my values on the spreadsheet I keep as some of the sites have some value but not near as much say central scouting. Then again, I haven’t really compared who was closest to what actually happened draft day.
I would consider the biggest factor to be if they employ professional scouts vs doing it as a hobby. Which is not to say I know, just that would be my main criterion.
 
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Sounds like the perfect Blue

he is impressive. my only hesitation is that we have lots of exciting winger prospects and less on d and at c (i see dvo and dean as centers and the rest as more likely wingers), so i would be hesitant to spend our 1st on another winger. but he looks to be really good one.
 
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he is impressive. my only hesitation is that we have lots of exciting winger prospects and less on d and at c (i see dvo and dean as centers and the rest as more likely wingers), so i would be hesitant to spend our 1st on another winger. but he looks to be really good one.
One of the podcasts I listened to raised the concern of him being an exceptional 3rd liner that may never find the scoresheet. He brought up his stats being similar this year and last year. Not a bad thing, but maybe overdrafting outside the top 20 to 25.
 
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One of the podcasts I listened to raised the concern of him being an exceptional 3rd liner that may never find the scoresheet. He brought up his stats being similar this year and last year. Not a bad thing, but maybe overdrafting outside the top 20 to 25.

does he sound a little like Pakarcik?
 

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One of the podcasts I listened to raised the concern of him being an exceptional 3rd liner that may never find the scoresheet. He brought up his stats being similar this year and last year. Not a bad thing, but maybe overdrafting outside the top 20 to 25.
interesting. that makes sense but i might be a bit higher on him. i see him as a lesser ryan leonard, a guy who has size and speed and shot and can complement better players but isn't going to be huge producer on his own because he doesn't seem to have that high-end offensive sense. depending on who else is on board i think value could be there in mid-late teens (not necessarily for us).
 
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