GDT: 2024 Draft Discussion

[Frk It]

Cale Makar does it all the time, so does Hughes. But I dont think they'll take another small dman after they took ASP.

We need to draft a forward, there are lots of solid high-skill options at 14-25 range where we will draft. The only D I'd be OK with is Yakemchuk but he will go top 5-10.

I’d love to draft a high skilled forward. I’m not sure this draft has a lot of that to offer after the top 3 guys. I think you might be selling yourself on that idea a bit here.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I’d love to draft a high skilled forward. I’m not sure this draft has a lot of that to offer after the top 3 guys. I think you might be selling yourself on that idea a bit here.

Trevor Connelly is extremely skilled.

 

[Frk It]

Trevor Connelly is extremely skilled.

That’s one player, you said there are lots of high skilled options.

Also Connelly just came in at #11 on Bob’s ranking, so not sure he will be there for us.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I’d love to draft a high skilled forward. I’m not sure this draft has a lot of that to offer after the top 3 guys. I think you might be selling yourself on that idea a bit here.

At the end of the day though, you can really only draft what is available. Say we pick at 16 or 17 and Buium (since the conversation started with him) is gone. Who do you like and what are you trying to get out of the 1st round.

 

[Frk It]

At the end of the day though, you can really only draft what is available. Say we pick at 16 or 17 and Buium (since the conversation started with him) is gone. Who do you like and what are you trying to get out of the 1st round.

If we look at Bob’s ranking and assume the draft goes chalk, I’d probably take Iginla or Greentree. If a defenseman like Yakemchuk slides, I think that’s a slam dunk. If Catton or Connelly slides, I’d be all over it.

I don’t know how “skilled” Iginla is, but I think he’s a good player and had good upside. From what I’ve been able to gather. I’ve heard Greentree is pretty skilled for a bigger forward, but I’ve heard mixed reviews on the skating.

Hemming and Chernyshov are 2 guys I know very little about but wouldn’t be opposed to.

I’m probably higher than the consensus on Ritchie and I’d consider him around there.

Those are just some thoughts, if that helps.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Took MBN in the mock at 16.

I was on the fence about, but figured he'd at least be an NHL player.

 

[SantosHalper]

I had time to dig on the mid/late options.
Oskar Vuollet at eliteprospects.com
-Since the air bridge to Skellefteå has been formed, Vuollet could travel with ASP to the camp. High scoring player in every age class.
William Zellers at eliteprospects.com
-skilled.
Hugo Lejon at eliteprospects.com
-I like how they describe his playmaking skills
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/634955/james-reeder
-USHL forward going to Denver
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/603584/kaden-shahan
-23 goals in 29 games
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/618481/daniel-shlaine
-Some years ago i mentioned Artem Shlaine in a similar post like this. I guess Daniel is his brother, similar path and seems to be skilled as well.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/618997/gabriel-eliasson
-big and nasty, 75 PIM in 25 games
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/664607/jake-fisher
-USHL forward going to Denver
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/795209/simon-seidl
-This kid knows how to score. 111 points in 33 games in U17 league as a 15-year old, a year before that in the same league 60 points in 31 games. 5th highest scoring U20 player in DEL2. Pick him Draper!
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/637581/svante-sjodin
-"Sjödin's work rate makes him hard to play against." that settles it.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/709981/jackson-smithknecht
-One for the Cleveland haters.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/646204/marcus-gidlof
-Not many interesting goalies in this class, Gidlöf is the most interesting.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/693919/hagen-burrows
-USHL forward going to Denver.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/796931/carson-pilgrim
-Quite a scorer in high school.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/693063/gabriel-frasca
-Seems like he's been suffering from injuries but seems quite skilled.
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Of all the realistic 1st round options, i still can't find better than MBN. If he is taken, i would just trade the pick. Everyone else just seems so underwelming.

 

[Christien]

CHL Top Prospects game going on right now. Man, big fan of Catton's game, he'd be perfect for us

 

[Frk It]

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Of all the realistic 1st round options, i still can't find better than MBN. If he is taken, i would just trade the pick. Everyone else just seems so underwelming.

This board’s tendency to overrate players strictly because they are Euro is wild to me at times.

There are a number of viable forward options to MBN, which is why there were a bunch of forwards rated ahead of MBN on the list McKenzie just put out.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Took MBN in the mock at 16.

I was on the fence about, but figured he'd at least be an NHL player.

Think Ivan Barbashev.

Decent skill, rocket of a shot, can play like a tank when he wants to. We’ll see if he’s got the same offensive consistency issues as Barbashev.

I’m not mad about that pick at all.

 

[SantosHalper]

This board’s tendency to overrate players strictly because they are Euro is wild to me at times.

There are a number of viable forward options to MBN, which is why there were a bunch of forwards rated ahead of MBN on the list McKenzie just put out.

This has nothing to do with his nationality, it's about the elements what he brings. Physical two-way winger with a scoring touch.

I think you are overrating this draft class, the differences between players this year are small. There is 6 players who could be 2nd overall this year. In Bob's list players between 14-24 could go in any order.

Greentree is similar to MBN, but very often these physically mature kids look better than they actually are. If MBN played in the juniors people would rave more about him.

 

[Frk It]

This has nothing to do with his nationality, it's about the elements what he brings. Physical two-way winger with a scoring touch.

I think you are overrating this draft class, the differences between players this year are small. There is 6 players who could be 2nd overall this year. In Bob's list players between 14-24 could go in any order.

Greentree is similar to MBN, but very often these physically mature kids look better than they actually are. If MBN played in the juniors people would rave more about him.

I just can’t come to any other logical conclusion where it would be “MBN or bust”. The forwards from NA provide a different mix of size and skill sets. Seems odd you don’t like a single one of them?

This kid also seems to check some of the boxes you like with MBN, although I can’t find like any meaningful info on him: Igor Chernyshov at eliteprospects.com

 

[Frk It]

I had this feeling for a bit that Bennett Senecke was the guy commonly ranked in the top 20 that I'd want to avoid, but the more I look into him, the less I feel that way.

Interesting that he has gone from 5'10 to 6'3 while playing in the OHL, and could possibly still be growing.

He looked really good in the Top Prospects game and also tested really well in the on-ice testing as well: Luchanko bests peers in CHL Top Prospects on-ice testing

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

This board’s tendency to overrate players strictly because they are Euro is wild to me at times.

There are a number of viable forward options to MBN, which is why there were a bunch of forwards rated ahead of MBN on the list McKenzie just put out.

We do overrate Euros, but I do think MBN is probably a logical option where we are picking (if he is still around).

 

[Frk It]

We do overrate Euros, but I do think MBN is probably a logical option where we are picking (if he is still around).

Sure, but logical option and "the only option" are 2 different things.

 

[newfy]

Sure, but logical option and "the only option" are 2 different things.

Yep theres a huge difference between hes a logical pick and if hes not there just trade the pick because everyone else sucks.

Like we're not even going to consider a guy like Tij Iginla because random european is no longer available?

 

[Frk It]

Yep theres a huge difference between hes a logical pick and if hes not there just trade the pick because everyone else sucks.

Like we're not even going to consider a guy like Tij Iginla because random european is no longer available?

I watched the top prospects game and Iginla looked very impressive to me.

I wasn’t sure how skilled he was, but he looks like he has very good puck skills and is very shifty.

And contrary to what people say on here for whatever reason, I think having NHL genes is a good thing.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I watched the top prospects game and Iginla looked very impressive to me.

I wasn’t sure how skilled he was, but he looks like he has very good puck skills and is very shifty.

And contrary to what people say on here for whatever reason, I think having NHL genes is a good thing.

He is certainly skilled enough to be a mid first round pick in my opinion. I don't think his game, however, is predicated on his skill with the puck if that makes any sense. He always seems to have a good understanding of timing when I watch him and always seems to be aware of what is going on.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I watched the top prospects game and Iginla looked very impressive to me.

I wasn’t sure how skilled he was, but he looks like he has very good puck skills and is very shifty.

And contrary to what people say on here for whatever reason, I think having NHL genes is a good thing.

It is because there's a good chance those kids got the best training/coaching money could buy them as they grow up, but that's also why I think Tij Iginla is going to be a legacy pick for Calgary.





The kid's got some hands on him.

 

[SantosHalper]

I just can’t come to any other logical conclusion where it would be “MBN or bust”. The forwards from NA provide a different mix of size and skill sets. Seems odd you don’t like a single one of them?

This kid also seems to check some of the boxes you like with MBN, although I can’t find like any meaningful info on him: Igor Chernyshov at eliteprospects.com

They don't really bring anything new to the system, im sure Iginla, Ritchie, Senecke etc. will be decent players but they are not what we are short off. Besides a power forward, there is a need for veteran top-4 D and someone like Florida who has to sign some hefty new contracts and has a empty prospect pool and no 1st or 2nd round picks this year could be intrested in a trade.

Any pick in this draft doesn't change the landscape in Detroit's prospect pool but MBN is the most suitable because of his style. Top-4 D would stabilize the defense and that would help Detroit win more games next season. The rebuild is over, now it's the time to find the missing pieces and start fighting for the playoff spot. Next years draft will have it's own Ritchie/Senecke's.

Only problem with Chernyshov is he allowed to leave Russia before he turns 26 like the Russian hockey association hopes. 8 years is long time to wait for a power forward, MBN could be ready in 2-3 years.

So instead of picking another soft 40 point guy, why not use the pick in a trade and improve the team immediately?

 

[Frk It]

It is because there's a good chance those kids got the best training/coaching money could buy them as they grow up, but that's also why I think Tij Iginla is going to be a legacy pick for Calgary.

The kid's got some hands on him.

It is because there's a good chance those kids got the best training/coaching money could buy them as they grow up, but that's also why I think Tij Iginla is going to be a legacy pick for Calgary.

Most of the kids who get picked in the 1st round from Canada and the US have that too, whether they have famous dads or not. The fact you think that is a bad thing is weird.

Iginla is having a great season. I don't think he is being overrated because he has a HOF dad at all. If anything, I think he should probably be ranked higher than where he has been so far with how he has played this year.

It would be nice if we could have nuanced conversations with these players instead of spamming "nepo pick" at any given chance.

 

[Frk It]

They don't really bring anything new to the system, im sure Iginla, Ritchie, Senecke etc. will be decent players but they are not what we are short off. Besides a power forward, there is a need for veteran top-4 D and someone like Florida who has to sign some hefty new contracts and has a empty prospect pool and no 1st or 2nd round picks this year could be intrested in a trade.

Any pick in this draft doesn't change the landscape in Detroit's prospect pool but MBN is the most suitable because of his style. Top-4 D would stabilize the defense and that would help Detroit win more games next season. The rebuild is over, now it's the time to find the missing pieces and start fighting for the playoff spot. Next years draft will have it's own Ritchie/Senecke's.

Only problem with Chernyshov is he allowed to leave Russia before he turns 26 like the Russian hockey association hopes. 8 years is long time to wait for a power forward, MBN could be ready in 2-3 years.

So instead of picking another soft 40 point guy, why not use the pick in a trade and improve the team immediately?

How do they not bring anything new to the table? Greentree is a forward with + size and + skill, we don't have a lot of those. Iginla has puck skills and is a play driver. Connelly has puck skills and is a play driver. We do not have an excess of those things. Outside of Larkin/Raymond/Kane we do not have a lot of guys who are significant puck possession players.

And as far as thinking MBN is the only forward who plays with physicality projected to go in round 1, or that he does that significantly more than anyone else, that seems a bit far fetched for me to believe.

And if we end up picking in the teens or later, I would be more than fine with trading our first round pick for something that helps us now.

 

[lilidk]

I prefer guys that outperform towards end of the season , guys like Jarvis vs guys like Hanas

 

[Frk It]

I prefer guys that outperform towards end of the season , guys like Jarvis vs guys like Hanas

Cross Hanas draft season

First 32 games - 20 points, .625 ppg
Last 28 games - 29 points, 1.04 ppg

(I agree with your sentiment about drafting players showing a good trajectory, though.)

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Most of the kids who get picked in the 1st round from Canada and the US have that too, whether they have famous dads or not. The fact you think that is a bad thing is weird.

Iginla is having a great season. I don't think he is being overrated because he has a HOF dad at all. If anything, I think he should probably be ranked higher than where he has been so far with how he has played this year.

It would be nice if we could have nuanced conversations with these players instead of spamming "nepo pick" at any given chance.

Where do I say it's a bad thing? You're putting words in my mouth, dude.