GDT: 2024 Draft Discussion

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Okay, I feel like we have all the pieces except one for our run when our window finally opens. I want one more top six winger, but most specifically, I want off hand one timing, power forward. Who is the Rick Nash of this draft?
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Also any player that would be a Rick Nash clone would be a top 3 pick, he was f***ing sick.
 

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Okay, I feel like we have all the pieces except one for our run when our window finally opens. I want one more top six winger, but most specifically, I want off hand one timing, power forward. Who is the Rick Nash of this draft?
Yeah, nash wouldn’t be number one on my wish list. He couldn't take columbus to the top. And after the trade was largely a passenger on a good rangers teams. However, given where we will likely pick, a potential 40 goal man would be great. But, if I'm wishing, nash is not my focus.
 

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Also any player that would be a Rick Nash clone would be a top 3 pick, he was f***ing sick.
Agreed, he would likely would go there. The first time he went first, but my question is should he!!
As far as wish lists go, I'd ask where's our Shanahan?!!!
 

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Sounds like a player I would like the Wings to draft. Will he be around when the Wings pick?
He was ranked 20th on McKenzie’s mid-season ranking.

I don’t think these forwards are anything to shake a stick at this year. Becoming more and more in favor of trading this first rounder to bolster the roster in the here and now.

But that’s just me.
 

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He was ranked 20th on McKenzie’s mid-season ranking.

I don’t think these forwards are anything to shake a stick at this year. Becoming more and more in favor of trading this first rounder to bolster the roster in the here and now.

But that’s just me.

Yeah. This draft is giving off 2012 or 2018 vibes to me.
 
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When I do the draft sim Nygarrd is the only one who perks my interest at that point. Maybe if Letourneau sneaks up the list a bit he’s a possible
 

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I’ll be curious to see where Hage ends up by the time of the draft, I think he should continue to be a riser. I think he has some similarities in his game to Danielson.

 

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I’ll be curious to see where Hage ends up by the time of the draft, I think he should continue to be a riser. I think he has some similarities in his game to Danielson.



Chicago is the second best program in the USHL. And Hage is going to UM next season. I think that there’s a good chance he turns into something with that development track.

Haven’t watched him enough to really comment much but the highlights show a well rounded offensive guy.
 

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Chicago is the second best program in the USHL. And Hage is going to UM next season. I think that there’s a good chance he turns into something with that development track.

Haven’t watched him enough to really comment much but the highlights show a well rounded offensive guy.

I wouldn't mind him for Detroit's 1st pick. I think he has room to grow.
 

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Very quick hands. Good enough skating for a scoring winger. Average to above average size. What I'm seeing reminds me a bit of former Chicago Steel player Matt Coronato. His wrister isn't as blazing but there's plenty of offense in his game.
 

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Very quick hands. Good enough skating for a scoring winger. Average to above average size. What I'm seeing reminds me a bit of former Chicago Steel player Matt Coronato. His wrister isn't as blazing but there's plenty of offense in his game.

Hage plays a good bit of center on that team, if I'm not mistaken. Not sure if he will play there long term or not.

He's also listed at 6'1 191... will probably end up a good bit bigger than Coronato.
 

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He was ranked 20th on McKenzie’s mid-season ranking.

I don’t think these forwards are anything to shake a stick at this year. Becoming more and more in favor of trading this first rounder to bolster the roster in the here and now.

But that’s just me.

I won't cry if we move our first rounder to improve the roster for the future, but I am also not about to give it away for scraps simply because I am not wowed by players expected to be available. A trade needs to make sense and the value needs to be right. Sadly, we don't have unilateral control over trades as people routinely seem to suggest around here.

I suspect the biggest thing people will struggle with this draft is expectations. We very well could be drafting in the late teens or early 20s. This won't stop people from expecting top line forwards and top pair defensemen to be available.
 
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I won't cry if we move our first rounder to improve the roster for the future, but I am also not about to give it away for scraps simply because I am not wowed by players expected to be available. A trade needs to make sense and the value needs to be right. Sadly, we don't have unilateral control over trades as people routinely seem to suggest around here.

I suspect the biggest thing people will struggle with this draft is expectations. We very well could be drafting in the late teens or early 20s. This won't stop people from expecting top line forwards and top pair defensemen to be available.

Mike Matheson , maybe first + , something similar for what we got for Hronek
 

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I won't cry if we move our first rounder to improve the roster for the future, but I am also not about to give it away for scraps simply because I am not wowed by players expected to be available. A trade needs to make sense and the value needs to be right. Sadly, we don't have unilateral control over trades as people routinely seem to suggest around here.

I suspect the biggest thing people will struggle with this draft is expectations. We very well could be drafting in the late teens or early 20s. This won't stop people from expecting top line forwards and top pair defensemen to be available.
I mean yeah, a lot of this goes without saying. Don’t trade a first rounder for the sake of it, I’m not looking for Kyle Quincey to come to the squad.

I think it’s possible to find a gem in the teens or 20’s, but given what I have seen with our drafting in the 2nd round, I’m not too optimistic we will pull that off.

It’s too bad Kuzmenko already got moved, would have loved to package our first rounder ++ for him.
 

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I mean yeah, a lot of this goes without saying. Don’t trade a first rounder for the sake of it, I’m not looking for Kyle Quincey to come to the squad.

I think it’s possible to find a gem in the teens or 20’s, but given what I have seen with our drafting in the 2nd round, I’m not too optimistic we will pull that off.

What's wrong with our 2nd round drafting?

Augustine, Gibson, Buchelnikov, James, Buium, Wallinder, Hanas, Tuomisto, Albert Johansson, Berggren.

Or, if you ment between "teens (late 1st) and early 2nd", it's :

Sandin-Pellikka, Augustine, James, Cossa, Buium, Wallinder, Tuomisto, Veleno, Berggren.
 
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What's wrong with our 2nd round drafting?

Augustine, Gibson, Buchelnikov, James, Buium, Wallinder, Hanas, Tuomisto, Albert Johansson, Berggren.

Or, if you ment between "teens (late 1st) and early 2nd", it's :

Sandin-Pellikka, Augustine, James, Cossa, Buium, Wallinder, Tuomisto, Veleno, Berggren.
In my opinion, it’s the philosophy/strategy.

Last year we had three second round picks. We should have felt like we could have used at least one of those to take a real shot at a player with upside.

What do we do? Draft two defensive defenseman and an undersized goalie (and I like Augustine)

I just don’t agree with that from a process/strategy standpoint. People have seen Dylan James at the college level are talking about him being a good 4th liner one day. I think with the amount of picks we have had in the 2nd round we have left a lot of meat on the bone relative to what we could have been doing.
 
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What's wrong with our 2nd round drafting?

Augustine, Gibson, Buchelnikov, James, Buium, Wallinder, Hanas, Tuomisto, Albert Johansson, Berggren.

Or, if you ment between "teens (late 1st) and early 2nd", it's :

Sandin-Pellikka, Augustine, James, Cossa, Buium, Wallinder, Tuomisto, Veleno, Berggren.


The Cleveland pick is the one that causes this narrative. Mainly everyone felt the Wings threw away three second rounders last year cause none of them are offensive upside picks.

Gibson has done nothing to make that pick look bad, 6'4 RHD who can skate, whats not to like? Augustine looks like a really good pick.

People wanted a skillish winger with high point total upside, Wings brass doesn't seem to go for those types too often.
 

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The Cleveland pick is the one that causes this narrative. Mainly everyone felt the Wings threw away three second rounders last year cause none of them are offensive upside picks.

Gibson has done nothing to make that pick look bad, 6'4 RHD who can skate, whats not to like? Augustine looks like a really good pick.

People wanted a skillish winger with high point total upside, Wings brass doesn't seem to go for those types too often.
Gibson is like another Sambrook or Regula in my eyes. I didn’t think he was a top 50 player last year because of a lack of an offensive game. Not sure how what he has done this year changes that. SSM scores a lot of goals as a team.

Augustine is the only 2nd rounder from last year I have some real hope in, and he has an uphill battle at his size. You see with Devon Levi how hard it is to jump to the pro game despite being a really good college goalie. Similar story with Dustin Wolf.
 
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Rzombo4 prez

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The Cleveland pick is the one that causes this narrative. Mainly everyone felt the Wings threw away three second rounders last year cause none of them are offensive upside picks.

Gibson has done nothing to make that pick look bad, 6'4 RHD who can skate, whats not to like? Augustine looks like a really good pick.

People wanted a skillish winger with high point total upside, Wings brass doesn't seem to think that these smallish wingers with high point total upside actually have that upside.
I fixed that for you.
 

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I fixed that for you.
People wanted a skillish winger with high point total upside, Wings brass doesn't seem to go for those types too often.
If they wanted to pass on Reily Heidt, fine I get that. Although I think that is kind of the perfect flawed player gamble to take when you have three 2nd round picks in hand.

That said, I thought there were some other guys available that were better options last year that weren't "small skillish wingers". I would have been a lot more happy with a guy like Danny Nelson, I think he has a lot more upside than who we took. I am still kind of surprised he is someone who was not higher on our board.

Hell, I probably would have taken any of those 7 players that got picked after Cleveland over anyone we took in round 2.

We will see how things go from here. I was expecting less conservative drafting than I have seen from Yzerman so far. For as much crap as I gave Holland towards the end, I think prior to Tyler Wright he had a strategy for rounds 2-4 that I very much agreed with. Frk, Jurco, Sproul, XO, AA, Jarnkrok, Tatar, Nyquist, Janmark, Pukkinen, Saarijarvi. Even if those picks don't work, I think those are the types of players you should load up on in rounds 2-4.
 

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