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Where do I say it's a bad thing? You're putting words in my mouth, dude.
I thought you were replying to one of the posts from the previous conversation we were having and just now realized you were replying to my post about the top prospect game.

My fault, totally goofed on that.
 

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They don't really bring anything new to the system, im sure Iginla, Ritchie, Senecke etc. will be decent players but they are not what we are short off. Besides a power forward, there is a need for veteran top-4 D and someone like Florida who has to sign some hefty new contracts and has a empty prospect pool and no 1st or 2nd round picks this year could be intrested in a trade.

Any pick in this draft doesn't change the landscape in Detroit's prospect pool but MBN is the most suitable because of his style. Top-4 D would stabilize the defense and that would help Detroit win more games next season. The rebuild is over, now it's the time to find the missing pieces and start fighting for the playoff spot. Next years draft will have it's own Ritchie/Senecke's.

Only problem with Chernyshov is he allowed to leave Russia before he turns 26 like the Russian hockey association hopes. 8 years is long time to wait for a power forward, MBN could be ready in 2-3 years.

So instead of picking another soft 40 point guy, why not use the pick in a trade and improve the team immediately?
Don't double down on this position. You will regret it later.

The problem in saying we should trade our 1st rounder is that we can't unilaterally do it all by ourselves. We need a partner willing to part with someone we want who is priced accordingly. We can't force anyone to make a move with us. I agree though that we are getting to the point where our upcoming picks and draftees are more likely to become trade bait.

I probably won't be upset if we take MBN, but I can't sit here and act like he is the only one who would improve our organization. Anyone with any offensive skill pushes us in the right direction.
 

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I thought you were replying to one of the posts from the previous conversation we were having and just now realized you were replying to my post about the top prospect game.

My fault, totally goofed on that.

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How do they not bring anything new to the table? Greentree is a forward with + size and + skill, we don't have a lot of those. Iginla has puck skills and is a play driver. Connelly has puck skills and is a play driver. We do not have an excess of those things. Outside of Larkin/Raymond/Kane we do not have a lot of guys who are significant puck possession players.
Yeah exactly we don't have a forwards other than Kasper with size, skill and toughness. Exactly like MBN, Greentree is built from the same mold. But whats the issue? On pace of 100-points, in a poor team and still in the same territory as MBN. If Greentee is far more superior to MBN, how come he's not any higher than that? Something is iffy about him. Big guys with skill often looks good in the juniors and then end up being a bust. Big physical power forward, is the biggest organizational need imo. I just have too many doubts when there is power forward dominating the junior leagues.

Connelly won't be available, he is the group behind of those 6 players who could go 2nd. Danielson and Kasper can drive the play and both of them are better skaters than Iginla.

But what i meant is that Iginla is just a more potential version of Hanas/Lombardi/Berggren or a healthy Fabbri, a decent middle-6 winger. Nothing special but improves the team. Wings have middle-6 wingers in the system, Iginla would be just most promising one. Therefore he doesn't add anything new.

We don't need to roll around the boards and corners, zone entry and straight to the warzone. Thats where the goals are scored from.
And as far as thinking MBN is the only forward who plays with physicality projected to go in round 1, or that he does that significantly more than anyone else, that seems a bit far fetched for me to believe.
Who else could be available? Dean Letourneua sure is big but is he physical power forward or just a big bambi? Im sure there is more power forwards but most them are starting to be quite a reach picks and possibly available during the later rounds. I don't like Russians in the 1st round, too much uncertainty. And i have too many doubts on Greentree.
Don't double down on this position. You will regret it later.

The problem in saying we should trade our 1st rounder is that we can't unilaterally do it all by ourselves. We need a partner willing to part with someone we want who is priced accordingly. We can't force anyone to make a move with us. I agree though that we are getting to the point where our upcoming picks and draftees are more likely to become trade bait.

I probably won't be upset if we take MBN, but I can't sit here and act like he is the only one who would improve our organization. Anyone with any offensive skill pushes us in the right direction.
Naturally it takes 2 to tango, i brought up Florida. 27,116,666 $ in cap space and they have to re-sign Reinhart, Montour and Forsling, their highest scorer and 1st and 2nd D. Also a bunch of depth pieces but im sure they gonna sign them relatively cheap. After next season they have to re-sign Verheaghe and Bennett. Florida cannot afford to keep everyone.

And Wings just happen to have a need for a top-4 D, preferably RHD and GM likes them big and tough to play against. And how luckily for us Ekblad's MNC turns to M-NTC and even more luckily for us Ekblad is a Windsor native, grew up as a Wings fan and Lidström is his favourite player. Same age as Larkin, so he fits in the timeline and Wings have the cap space. Montour and Forsling are their number 1 horses, Mikkola has improved to a top-4 D and OEL has bounced back. Florida can get them cheaper to play in the same role as Ekblad.

Wings are going pick in the middle of the draft, that is the time to fill organizational needs. Physical power forward is the need, not soft middle-6 winger and MBN is the best power forward available.
 

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Yeah exactly we don't have a forwards other than Kasper with size, skill and toughness. Exactly like MBN, Greentree is built from the same mold. But whats the issue? On pace of 100-points, in a poor team and still in the same territory as MBN. If Greentee is far more superior to MBN, how come he's not any higher than that? Something is iffy about him. Big guys with skill often looks good in the juniors and then end up being a bust. Big physical power forward, is the biggest organizational need imo. I just have too many doubts when there is power forward dominating the junior leagues.

Connelly won't be available, he is the group behind of those 6 players who could go 2nd. Danielson and Kasper can drive the play and both of them are better skaters than Iginla.

But what i meant is that Iginla is just a more potential version of Hanas/Lombardi/Berggren or a healthy Fabbri, a decent middle-6 winger. Nothing special but improves the team. Wings have middle-6 wingers in the system, Iginla would be just most promising one. Therefore he doesn't add anything new.

We don't need to roll around the boards and corners, zone entry and straight to the warzone. Thats where the goals are scored from.

Who else could be available? Dean Letourneua sure is big but is he physical power forward or just a big bambi? Im sure there is more power forwards but most them are starting to be quite a reach picks and possibly available during the later rounds. I don't like Russians in the 1st round, too much uncertainty. And i have too many doubts on Greentree.

Naturally it takes 2 to tango, i brought up Florida. 27,116,666 $ in cap space and they have to re-sign Reinhart, Montour and Forsling, their highest scorer and 1st and 2nd D. Also a bunch of depth pieces but im sure they gonna sign them relatively cheap. After next season they have to re-sign Verheaghe and Bennett. Florida cannot afford to keep everyone.

And Wings just happen to have a need for a top-4 D, preferably RHD and GM likes them big and tough to play against. And how luckily for us Ekblad's MNC turns to M-NTC and even more luckily for us Ekblad is a Windsor native, grew up as a Wings fan and Lidström is his favourite player. Same age as Larkin, so he fits in the timeline and Wings have the cap space. Montour and Forsling are their number 1 horses, Mikkola has improved to a top-4 D and OEL has bounced back. Florida can get them cheaper to play in the same role as Ekblad.

Wings are going pick in the middle of the draft, that is the time to fill organizational needs. Physical power forward is the need, not soft middle-6 winger and MBN is the best power forward available.
Well, I think some of those players have the potential to be more than middle 6 forwards. And some of those guys I think have more upside than MBN does.

If you want to just say well they are all only going to be middle 6 players, but I want a physical one... I mean sure. But I would like to go for someone we think has more upside than that, whether they end up hitting it or not.

Greentree for example has been compared to Robertson a bunch by folks who have watched him in the OHL more than you or I.
 

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would be amazed if berkley catton somehow fell to us, if not i do like mbn. Iginla would be nice, whats his camparables to max domi just for curiosity sake.
 

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Yeah exactly we don't have a forwards other than Kasper with size, skill and toughness. Exactly like MBN, Greentree is built from the same mold. But whats the issue? On pace of 100-points, in a poor team and still in the same territory as MBN. If Greentee is far more superior to MBN, how come he's not any higher than that? Something is iffy about him. Big guys with skill often looks good in the juniors and then end up being a bust. Big physical power forward, is the biggest organizational need imo. I just have too many doubts when there is power forward dominating the junior leagues.

Connelly won't be available, he is the group behind of those 6 players who could go 2nd. Danielson and Kasper can drive the play and both of them are better skaters than Iginla.

But what i meant is that Iginla is just a more potential version of Hanas/Lombardi/Berggren or a healthy Fabbri, a decent middle-6 winger. Nothing special but improves the team. Wings have middle-6 wingers in the system, Iginla would be just most promising one. Therefore he doesn't add anything new.

We don't need to roll around the boards and corners, zone entry and straight to the warzone. Thats where the goals are scored from.

Who else could be available? Dean Letourneua sure is big but is he physical power forward or just a big bambi? Im sure there is more power forwards but most them are starting to be quite a reach picks and possibly available during the later rounds. I don't like Russians in the 1st round, too much uncertainty. And i have too many doubts on Greentree.

Naturally it takes 2 to tango, i brought up Florida. 27,116,666 $ in cap space and they have to re-sign Reinhart, Montour and Forsling, their highest scorer and 1st and 2nd D. Also a bunch of depth pieces but im sure they gonna sign them relatively cheap. After next season they have to re-sign Verheaghe and Bennett. Florida cannot afford to keep everyone.

And Wings just happen to have a need for a top-4 D, preferably RHD and GM likes them big and tough to play against. And how luckily for us Ekblad's MNC turns to M-NTC and even more luckily for us Ekblad is a Windsor native, grew up as a Wings fan and Lidström is his favourite player. Same age as Larkin, so he fits in the timeline and Wings have the cap space. Montour and Forsling are their number 1 horses, Mikkola has improved to a top-4 D and OEL has bounced back. Florida can get them cheaper to play in the same role as Ekblad.

Wings are going pick in the middle of the draft, that is the time to fill organizational needs. Physical power forward is the need, not soft middle-6 winger and MBN is the best power forward available.
So Florida, a cup contender, trades Ekblad for futures? I don't buy it for a second, He will get moved for someone who provides some immediate improvement at another position, even if it requires some cap clearing. At any rate, that is a very specific trade and I don't think draft strategy should be planned around something so specific. I am not opposed to moving the pick, but until a deal actually materializes, I am absolutely planning on making the pick.

MBN projects as a middle 6 forwards just like the others you mentioned, just a slightly bigger one. I would also point out that there is nothing soft about Iginla's game, which increases the likelihood of his goal scoring translating. He plays absolutely nothing like Berggren or Fabbri or Lombardi. If anything, if someone likes how MBN plays, I would actually expect them to like Iginla as a prospect.

I am very curious to see what Russians are around when we pick.
 

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Well, I think some of those players have the potential to be more than middle 6 forwards. And some of those guys I think have more upside than MBN does.

If you want to just say well they are all only going to be middle 6 players, but I want a physical one... I mean sure. But I would like to go for someone we think has more upside than that, whether they end up hitting it or not.

Greentree for example has been compared to Robertson a bunch by folks who have watched him in the OHL more than you or I.
Thats fair enough, i just think or more like hope that is the last draft where Wings pick this high. Last chance to have real influence on who we pick.

I think that this draft after Celebrini has 3 or 4 groups of players where the upside is more and less the same.
So Florida, a cup contender, trades Ekblad for futures? I don't buy it for a second, He will get moved for someone who provides some immediate improvement at another position, even if it requires some cap clearing. At any rate, that is a very specific trade and I don't think draft strategy should be planned around something so specific. I am not opposed to moving the pick, but until a deal actually materializes, I am absolutely planning on making the pick.

MBN projects as a middle 6 forwards just like the others you mentioned, just a slightly bigger one. I would also point out that there is nothing soft about Iginla's game, which increases the likelihood of his goal scoring translating. He plays absolutely nothing like Berggren or Fabbri or Lombardi. If anything, if someone likes how MBN plays, I would actually expect them to like Iginla as a prospect.
Ekblad has the power to say where wants to go, he is an UFA after next season. No one will pay for him if he's not committed to play there and he will be cheap like DeBrincat. Only the middle of the pack teams like Detroit can afford to take Ekblad. No cup contenders can afford Ekblad without giving a valuable piece in return, a valuable piece which Florida cannot afford to keep. Trade like that doesn't work for anyone, Ekblad is not 1st/2nd D anymore. Florida has to bite the bullet. And it's unlikely that injury riddled player like Ekblad takes a big pay cut after next season. And lately we had Cat and Kane wanting to come to Detroit, this team is on the rise many other players will want to join.

MBN is still more physical and better defensively than Iginla. Iginla may not play like Fabbri/Berggren but the input is the same 40-50 point middle-6 player, just like MBN but he is more physical and better defensively. I don't that i've heard anyone call Iginla a power forward.
 

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Thats fair enough, i just think or more like hope that is the last draft where Wings pick this high. Last chance to have real influence on who we pick.

I think that this draft after Celebrini has 3 or 4 groups of players where the upside is more and less the same.

Ekblad has the power to say where wants to go, he is an UFA after next season. No one will pay for him if he's not committed to play there and he will be cheap like DeBrincat. Only the middle of the pack teams like Detroit can afford to take Ekblad. No cup contenders can afford Ekblad without giving a valuable piece in return, a valuable piece which Florida cannot afford to keep. Trade like that doesn't work for anyone, Ekblad is not 1st/2nd D anymore. Florida has to bite the bullet. And it's unlikely that injury riddled player like Ekblad takes a big pay cut after next season. And lately we had Cat and Kane wanting to come to Detroit, this team is on the rise many other players will want to join.

MBN is still more physical and better defensively than Iginla. Iginla may not play like Fabbri/Berggren but the input is the same 40-50 point middle-6 player, just like MBN but he is more physical and better defensively. I don't that i've heard anyone call Iginla a power forward.
I wouldn't call him a power forward, but he does play hard, does use his body and strikes me as someone who is hard to play against.

I have zero interest in constructing and investing in potential trade scenarios that are unlikely to come to fruition. I just don't have the bandwidth for it. We move the pick when we move the pick.
 
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I’ve read somewhere that Greentree is not at all physical. He may not be the power forward you think. Keep in mind I have never seen him play. I like Letourneau, maybe he will trend up enough for us to take him around the 20 spot or so. I can’t get past Fischer in round two
 

OgeeOgelthorpe

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I’ve read somewhere that Greentree is not at all physical. He may not be the power forward you think. Keep in mind I have never seen him play. I like Letourneau, maybe he will trend up enough for us to take him around the 20 spot or so. I can’t get past Fischer in round two

The term "power forward" isn't what it was when Iginla, Shanahan, Neely, Tkachuk and guys like that were in the league in their prime.

Power forward now is a winger that can, or often does play a straight line, to the net game and can bang around netfront or in the corners if needed but still provide offense. They're incredibly rare these days. Barbashev, Crouse, Tkachuk x2, Wilson (though he's more traditional), Svechnikov, Nelson, maybe Kempe, Benn, Rantanen are guys that I think of as modern power forwards. They don't fight or act as skilled enforcers as much as the old power forwards did.

Greentree reminds me something of Alex Tuch or Jason Robertson from what I've seen of the kid. I don't think either of those guys are modern power forwards but I don't think they're far off either.
 

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Thats fair enough, i just think or more like hope that is the last draft where Wings pick this high. Last chance to have real influence on who we pick.
I'm thinking the wings are in a similar draft position at the outskirts of the playoffs for at least the next 2 years and wouldn't be surprised if we make it and then miss it the next year. Just think OTT/BUFF are in a position where moving some pieces around and getting better coaching could give them a catapult year while the wings slowly exchange vets for young guys.
 

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I'm thinking the wings are in a similar draft position at the outskirts of the playoffs for at least the next 2 years and wouldn't be surprised if we make it and then miss it the next year. Just think OTT/BUFF are in a position where moving some pieces around and getting better coaching could give them a catapult year while the wings slowly exchange vets for young guys.
Could be but at the same time Yzerman will improve the team as well. I think this prospects overcooking will turn to our favor, they will be more readier to play in NHL. Next season Ed and Berggren are in and after that season Kasper/Mazur are in, so the chances for elevator movement are slimmer. But of course injuries can change the trajectory.

As for the next season it will be intresting to see that can the Bruins keep this up. Leafs defense and goalies will continue being a total trainwreck. Ottawa and Buffalo should make changes, team culture is still pure garbage. Wings just needs to improve the defense and be better defensively, that should keep Wings in the race. It will be tight race but it's not impossible to take 3rd spot in division next season.
 

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I think he’s a heck of a player, but if Detroit wanted to totally take him off their board because of this, I’d understand.
It would depend on the interviews. This is one area where I very much trust the organization to make the right call.
 

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I don't know who cannot love MBN, i stay in my previous assessment. MBN or trade the pick.
Whatever organization drafts RW Michael Brandsegg-Nygard will be getting a future fan-favorite. The 6'1",195lb power-forward has so far played most of his games with Mora's AllSvenskan Team, the second-highest tier in Sweden, and is currently 7th in scoring for U-20 players, with 11 points in 27 games. He's also put in 7 games with the J20 team (12 points in 7 games), and scored 3 goals and 5 points in 5 WJC games for a weak Team Norway. The main reason he's in the AllSvenskan is that he plays a mature game with good habits. He's big and sturdy, and incredibly strong on his skates, making it virtually impossible to knock him off the puck- couple that with his air-tight puck-protection, and one can see why he never gets stripped of possession. MBN can be a mean power forward who bullies his way around the ice, and is a constant physical threat. He hits often, and hits hard, is very tenacious with high motor, and a load to handle on the forecheck. Very competitive and hard-working. "Explosive" is a word often used to describe his skating- he has excellent speed, uncanny agility and edges, and superb acceleration. He's like a freight train when he's in full stride, but he also has the ability to be elusive with his puck control, deception, and 1-on-1 skill- so he can go around you, or through you. He's a dual-threat, as a powerful shooter, as well as a deft playmaker. He's got a wide array of hard, accurate shots with plenty of deception, but he also has soft hands for the pass, and high IQ and vision to make the right decisions. Nygard works to make himself an open option for offense, and always wants to make something happen. He's more than capable of moving the puck, and contributes well to transition. He has an arsenal of moves, deception, toe-drags, and dekes to weave his way around the ice. If all that wasn't enough for you, Nygard is also an excellent 200-ft player, and some say he's one of the best defensive players in the draft. He uses his speed and physicality to pressure attackers, cut off angles, separate man from puck, and force turnovers. His mobility aids him in transitioning from offense to defense rapidly, and he can often stop rushes before they reach his zone. He will initiate contact in the corners, or along the boards to gain possession. I love this player, and most writers are hard-pressed to find a true weakness. Some say he can look nonchalant in the defensive zone, and that his intensity can wane sometimes. Others question if he truly has high-end offensive ability, as he should perhaps have more points this year, but I might put him in the top-10. I see him as a riser.
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Mock results:

16: Michael Brandsegg-Nygard
48: Lukas Fischer
81: Carson Wetsch
124: Preston Lounsbury
145: Jan Spunar
177: Markus Loponen
209: Kaden Skahan

Not by best work, I would give it a solid "ok I guess"
 

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Okay, I feel like we have all the pieces except one for our run when our window finally opens. I want one more top six winger, but most specifically, I want off hand one timing, power forward. Who is the Rick Nash of this draft?
 

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