GDT: 2024 Draft Discussion

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

An article with more video of Fransen.

Leo Sahlin Wallenius And Noel Fransén Shine In The Strong 2024 NHL Draft Defensive Class

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Last bit about Noel Fransen (for now)



When looking at the tape, this kid has some realgud wheels and a scorer's mentality. He's already AlJo's size while still being a terrific skater. And in the footage that I posted he's shown a good sense of where his teammates are going to be to make things happen.

 

[Frk It]

Last bit about Noel Fransen (for now)



When looking at the tape, this kid has some realgud wheels and a scorer's mentality. He's already AlJo's size while still being a terrific skater. And in the footage that I posted he's shown a good sense of where his teammates are going to be to make things happen.

I don't know if it is because they are late birthdates or what, but Zether and Fransen both seem very undervalued coming out of Sweden in this draft class.

 

[Henkka]

If I could put my Henkka tinfoil hat on for a second, I'd tell you the only reason we ever drafted Shai Buium and LDN was really so could we acquire valuable information on their brothers.

My tinfoil hat says that you should not draft the eldest brother, because he is the first UFA to join their youngest brother(s).

 

[RedHawkDown]

Basha 1st round and Artamonov 2nd thx

 

[SantosHalper]

This is not a prediction, this is spoiler. Im gonna save you guys some time.

#1 Michael Brandsegg-Nygård
#2 Lukas Fischer
#3 Alexander Zetterberg
#4 USHL forward
#5 Overaged USHL forward
#6 Hakan special
#7 Kazakhstani kid who Draper liked at the U18 Worlds

 

[Frk It]

This is not a prediction, this is spoiler. Im gonna save you guys some time.

#1 Michael Brandsegg-Nygård
#2 Lukas Fischer
#3 Alexander Zetterberg
#4 USHL forward
#5 Overaged USHL forward
#6 Hakan special
#7 Kazakhstani kid who Draper liked at the U18 Worlds

I know you are somewhat having this discussion on the prospects board, but....

1) Im not entirely sure MBN is a top 15 player?
2) I think MBN is kind of redundant to what we already have with Kasper, Danielson, Mazur, etc

That said, I agree with you I think he is someone Detroit might be a big fan of. And I might be underrating his game as well.

 

[Sparty]

And Evgeny Svechnikov . . .

So I guess because it didn't work out with Svech, we passed on Hughes, and because that backfired we tried again with Buium. Or something, lol

 

[SantosHalper]

I know you are somewhat having this discussion on the prospects board, but....

1) Im not entirely sure MBN is a top 15 player?
2) I think MBN is kind of redundant to what we already have with Kasper, Danielson, Mazur, etc

That said, I agree with you I think he is someone Detroit might be a big fan of. And I might be underrating his game as well.

1. What makes you unsure?

2. Thats the team identity, way i see it the Wings are building a blue-collar hockey team. They all are gritty but they have enough skill to score goals to win hockey games. Build for playoff hockey. MBN fits in that identity like a fist in eye.

 

[Frk It]

1. What makes you unsure?

2. Thats the team identity, way i see it the Wings are building a blue-collar hockey team. They all are gritty but they have enough skill to score goals to win hockey games. Build for playoff hockey. MBN fits in that identity like a fist in eye.

Well I think half the top 15 or so should be defenseman - Dickinson, Levshunov, Silayev, Jiricek, Yakemchuk, Parekh, Buium

Then I like the following forwards better for sure - Celebrini, Demidov, Eiserman, Catton, Lindstrom, Iginla, Helenius

So highest id have him is maybe #13-14? But I personally like Connelly a lot and am intrigued by Greentree and Hemming. So idk.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I know you are somewhat having this discussion on the prospects board, but....

1) Im not entirely sure MBN is a top 15 player?
2) I think MBN is kind of redundant to what we already have with Kasper, Danielson, Mazur, etc

That said, I agree with you I think he is someone Detroit might be a big fan of. And I might be underrating his game as well.

MBN is this year's Kasper. Though he has a better shot than draft year Kasper.

Physical, decent size, good skater, good IQ, backchecks relentlessly, disruptive in the offensive zone, and skilled enough to capitalize on chances. Best prospect from a weaker hockey country.

I think that he's a top 8-10 pick in this year's draft but in other years would be an 11-15 pick. This draft doesn't seem half as strong as 2023 and looks more on par with 2018 to me. Lots of PMD at the top with few standout forwards.

 

[SantosHalper]

Well I think half the top 15 or so should be defenseman - Dickinson, Levshunov, Silayev, Jiricek, Yakemchuk, Parekh, Buium

Then I like the following forwards better for sure - Celebrini, Demidov, Eiserman, Catton, Lindstrom, Iginla, Helenius

So highest id have him is maybe #13-14? But I personally like Connelly a lot and am intrigued by Greentree and Hemming. So idk.

Basically in the top-18 at least, not impossible to climb 4-5 spots. I think only one who is really locked is Celebrini, then i see 5 players who could be 2nd overall. Team need may become a decisive factor.

 

[Frk It]

MBN is this year's Kasper. Though he has a better shot than draft year Kasper.

Physical, decent size, good skater, good IQ, backchecks relentlessly, disruptive in the offensive zone, and skilled enough to capitalize on chances. Best prospect from a weaker hockey country.

I think that he's a top 8-10 pick in this year's draft but in other years would be an 11-15 pick. This draft doesn't seem half as strong as 2023 and looks more on par with 2018 to me. Lots of PMD at the top with few standout forwards.

I don’t want another Kasper. I didn’t really want the first Kasper.

I agree with you and Santos though that NHL teams will probably like MBN.

I also just get worried as far as like, does he have a lot of room to get better? He’s alrwady 6’1,

2. Thats the team identity, way i see it the Wings are building a blue-collar hockey team. They all are gritty but they have enough skill to score goals to win hockey games. Build for playoff hockey. MBN fits in that identity like a fist in eye.

Maybe that’s the team you want us to be, but it’s not the team I want us to be.

Probably just a philosophical difference.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I don’t want another Kasper. I didn’t really want the first Kasper.

I agree with you and Santos though that NHL teams will probably like MBN.

I also just get worried as far as like, does he have a lot of room to get better? He’s alrwady 6’1, 200 lbs.

I wouldn't mind another Kasper but I'd prefer a more offensively skilled big guy be added to the pool.

I've been doing a lot of digging on Liam Greentree the past few days and what I've watched I think makes him very close to a surefire top 6 winger. In a lot of ways he reminds me of Alex Tuch. Strong, physical when needed, goes to high danger areas, good motor, great IQ, great dangles, even better shot and passing. The kid definitely needs to improve his first three steps and overall speed.

If his skating improves to league average or better I can easily see him as a 60+ point winger.

 

[Frk It]

I wouldn't mind another Kasper but I'd prefer a more offensively skilled big guy be added to the pool.
I've been doing a lot of digging on Liam Greentree the past few days and what I've watched I think makes him very close to a surefire top 6 winger. In a lot of ways he reminds me of Alex Tuch. Strong, physical when needed, goes to high danger areas, good motor, great IQ, great dangles, even better shot and passing. The kid definitely needs to improve his first three steps and overall speed.

If his skating improves to league average or better I can easily see him as a 60+ point winger.

I’m with you on Greentree and Connelly, I’m just hesitant to add MBN given what we already have. Maybe I’m underselling his game.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I’m with you on Greentree and Connelly, I’m just hesitant to add MBN given what we already have. Maybe I’m underselling his game.

I'm going to say something that might shock you, but...

...I think MBN would be better served playing in Canadian juniors with his playstyle.

I think it's fair to have concerns about his game, but I also think there is a strong foundation for a really solid top 9 winger that's more in the mold of a Johan Franzen type of European power forward. Physicality in his game but not as much the meanness.

 

[Frk It]

Central Scouting dropped their mid term ranking and it’s pretty interesting.

They have Connelly 5th among NA skaters

They have Adam Jecho 13th among NA skaters…. Who I’m pretty unfamiliar with… but listed as a 6’5 RH center, so that’s interesting.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Lots to chew on here…

Eiserman ranked 8th among NA skaters ? Have to strongly disagree there, I don’t see him falling all the way out of the top 10. That would be crazy.

Parekh lower than expected at 10th NA skater.


Buium all the way up to 4th, That would put him well out of our range.

 

[SantosHalper]

I also just get worried as far as like, does he have a lot of room to get better? He’s alrwady 6’1,

Maybe that’s the team you want us to be, but it’s not the team I want us to be.

Probably just a philosophical difference.

Skating, like with every 18-year old. Those first steps could be faster. At this point do we need another long term project or someone who just needs some polishing? Wings picked Danielson last summer, they didn't worry about growth room then. Experience usually fixes the rest.

Doesn't really matter what you or i want, it's about vision what Yzerman has. And i see that Yzerman is building a type of team what i already mentioned. If he was building a different type of team, he would select more Benson-types than Danielson/Kasper/Hanas/James/Mazur-types.

The philosophy is there.

 

[Frk It]

Skating, like with every 18-year old. Those first steps could be faster. At this point do we need another long term project or someone who just needs some polishing? Wings picked Danielson last summer, they didn't worry about growth room then. Experience usually fixes the rest.

Doesn't really matter what you or i want, it's about vision what Yzerman has. And i see that Yzerman is building a type of team what i already mentioned. If he was building a different type of team, he would select more Benson-types than Danielson/Kasper/Hanas/James/Mazur-types.

The philosophy is there.

He didn’t draft any players like ASP til he did. He didn’t draft any players like Raymond til he did. He’s mixed in other kind of players. If anything with drafting ASP last year it might tell you that once he’s got enough of a certain kind of player he’ll draft a different kind of player. We might be at that point with the type of forwards you’re alluding to.

Yzerman isn’t always so easy to predict… remember us talking about USDP players last year?

 

[Frk It]

Lots to chew on here…

Eiserman ranked 8th among NA skaters ? Have to strongly disagree there, I don’t see him falling all the way out of the top 10. That would be crazy.

Parekh lower than expected at 10th NA skater.


Buium all the way up to 4th, That would put him well out of our range.

Yeah I don’t think there is going to be as much of a consensus with this draft as people think.

I’m pretty interested in this Michael Hage kid from the USHL they have in the top 20. The more I have looked into him the more I like him as a prospect. I think he’s someone who used to have some hype amongst this age group?

 

[Holden Caufield]

Yeah I don’t think there is going to be as much of a consensus with this draft as people think.

Definitely starting to look that way.
A no structured free for all after Celebrini. Has the makings of an exciting draft.

But I think Eiserman is elite. Some negative headline momentum and ‘overscouting’ at work here.

 

[norrisnick]

I don’t want another Kasper. I didn’t really want the first Kasper.

I agree with you and Santos though that NHL teams will probably like MBN.

I also just get worried as far as like, does he have a lot of room to get better? He’s alrwady 6’1,

Maybe that’s the team you want us to be, but it’s not the team I want us to be.

Probably just a philosophical difference.

Drafting Kasper was fine. Following him up Copp and then Danielson and then Compher is where things get muddy as f*** down the middle for us. 1 or 2, maybe. All 4? A bit much.

 

[Frk It]

Yeah I don’t think there is going to be as much of a consensus with this draft as people think.

I’m pretty interested in this Michael Hage kid from the USHL they have in the top 20. The more I have looked into him the more I like him as a prospect. I think he’s someone who used to have some hype amongst this age group?

When I tried doing a list it was Mack at 1, then whatever order of Eiserman/Demidov you prefer at 2/3, and then whatever order of Dickinson/Levshunov you prefer at 4/5.

That’s how I see it. But I’ve had little to no time to watch any of these players this year.

And I know next to nothing about this giant defenseman from Russia, in Silayev.

 

[lilidk]

Eny prospect who is good at zone entry?