Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

[Rob Sense]

Generational players:

Howe
Orr
Gretzky
Lemieux
Lindros
Crosby
Mcdavid


Lindros career was not Generational because of his concussions at early age but Lindros between 16 and 24 years old was a generational talent and physique

I would not put Ovy as generational...he is a generational scorer but unlike the list above..all those players made players around them better as well.

you are missing a few Habs in that list...like 5 or 6 and they were all better than Lindros

 

[The Last Red]

is there any chance he’s with the Habs this year, am seeing some speculation on twitter but seems like clickbait

Slight . . . but not impossible.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Well we don’t really know that yet. Certainly top two in this draft.

I don't think you can say "certainly". He played in the MHL.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

He’s was picked at 5 but ranked 2nd. I never said he was a generational league wide player.
As far as the Habs are concerned, he has the potential to be the best player in multiple generations.

Sure, but words like generational, superstar, elite, etc. are used in relation to the league, not to the team.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Slight . . . but not impossible.

Man, if he’s on the club this year I’m watching all 82 lol

 

[crosbyshow]

you are missing a few Habs in that list...like 5 or 6 and they were all better than Lindros

Mtl never had a generational player..never.

Lafleur was an elite player but not generational. Lafleur was an average player past 29 years old.

Look the stats of Lemieux and Wayne past their prime...Lafleur in not on that level at all..

Look at Crosby..what he does at 36.

You are righe about Lindros.. Lindros was a generational prospect and he had an awesome start of his career but not long enough.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Mtl never had a generational player..never.

Lafleur was an elite player but not generational. Lafleur was an average player past 29 years old.

Look the stats of Lemieux and Wayne past their prime...Lafleur in not on that level at all..

Look at Crosby..what he does at 36.

You are righe about Lindros.. Lindros was a generational prospect and he had an awesome start of his career but not long enough.

I think you could argue Rocket Richard was generational. Guy is a tougher call, while Lafleur's peak plateaued at a relatively younger age, there was a six year period where he was undoubtedly the best player in hockey.

Also Patrick Roy literally revolutionized the way goaltenders played after his arrival. Does this make him generational? Tough to say, I doubt it, but he made a huge impact on the sport.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think you could argue Rocket Richard was generational. Guy is a tougher call, while Lafleur's peak plateaued at a relatively younger age, there was a six year period where he was undoubtebly the best player in hockey.

Also Patrick Roy literally revolutionised the way goaltenders played after his arrival. Does this make him generational? Tough to say, I doubt it, but he made a huge impact on the sport.

I'd say Roy is generational. He's a top 3 goalie in the history of the sport.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Generational players:

Howe
Orr
Gretzky
Lemieux
Lindros
Crosby
Mcdavid


Lindros career was not Generational because of his concussions at early age but Lindros between 16 and 24 years old was a generational talent and physique

I would not put Ovy as generational...he is a generational scorer but unlike the list above..all those players made players around them better as well.

Lindros in that list is hilarious

 

[Justin11]

Mtl never had a generational player..never.

Lafleur was an elite player but not generational. Lafleur was an average player past 29 years old.

Look the stats of Lemieux and Wayne past their prime...Lafleur in not on that level at all..

Look at Crosby..what he does at 36.

You are righe about Lindros.. Lindros was a generational prospect and he had an awesome start of his career but not long enough.

What about David Desharnais? Well, he is considered one according to Michel Therrien

 

[Rob Sense]

Mtl never had a generational player..never.

Lafleur was an elite player but not generational. Lafleur was an average player past 29 years old.

Look the stats of Lemieux and Wayne past their prime...Lafleur in not on that level at all..

Look at Crosby..what he does at 36.

You are righe about Lindros.. Lindros was a generational prospect and he had an awesome start of his career but not long enough.

Morenz...Richard....Belliveau...Harvey...Durnan...Lafleur...Roy...etc. Stanley Cups also count for something. When you find the perfect generationalometer you can come back and peddle your theory.

 

[Montrealcowboys]

That’s an ALL TIME PICK
HAIL HUGO FFS

"HUGO?" Does any other fan base constantly come up with stuff like this? The GM is Kent Hughes.

 

[MeanMugging91]

"HUGO?" Does any other fan base constantly come up with stuff like this? The GM is Kent Hughes.

It's a two headed monster and Gorton has a presence and I'm sure a lot of the moves are discussed in length between the two. Hugo is an easy way to say Kent Hughes and Jeff Gorton. Other fan basses aren't quite as advanced in abbreviations/nick names as us so maybe not

To be fair they haven't all been as good as Hugo either. I remember a time where some people were pushing for us to call kk coconut or something crazy like that

 

[Habs Halifax]

Anybody thinking about Demidov at center? He has said that he likes playing center so not sure about how that plays out. Lets say he does play center. What does your forward roster look like now?

Slaf / Demidov / Caufield
Newhook / Suzuki / Dach
Roy / Hage / Beck
Xhekaj / Kapanen / Mesar

 

[dauv]

you are missing a few Habs in that list...like 5 or 6 and they were all better than Lindros

Generational players:

Howe
Orr
Gretzky
Lemieux
Lindros
Crosby
Mcdavid


Lindros career was not Generational because of his concussions at early age but Lindros between 16 and 24 years old was a generational talent and physique

I would not put Ovy as generational...he is a generational scorer but unlike the list above..all those players made players around them better as well.

Missing a few

Richard
Lafleur
Beliveau
Roy

very close but not generational
Bobby Hull
Marcel Dionne
Martin Brodeur
Chris Pronger
Raymond Bourque
Scott Niedermeyer
Mike Bossy

 

[Redux91]

"HUGO?" Does any other fan base constantly come up with stuff like this? The GM is Kent Hughes.

The fact something so insignificant can bother you so much only makes me want to say it more lol

The team is run by both Hughes and Gorton.
HuGo ain't going anywhere

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Anybody thinking about Demidov at center? He has said that he likes playing center so not sure about how that plays out. Lets say he does play center. What does your forward roster look like now?

Slaf / Demidov / Caufield
Newhook / Suzuki / Dach
Roy / Hage / Beck
Xhekaj / Kapanen / Mesar

Wings generally are given a bit more rope to take chances, so I’m happy to add him as a wing as I think it fits his playstyle and do like our center depth better as well.

That said, if he were to end up a superstar centerman that would obviously be best case scenario. He and Suzuki could be the envy of the league.

 

[BLONG7]

Mtl never had a generational player..never.

Lafleur was an elite player but not generational. Lafleur was an average player past 29 years old.

Look the stats of Lemieux and Wayne past their prime...Lafleur in not on that level at all..

Look at Crosby..what he does at 36.

You are righe about Lindros.. Lindros was a generational prospect and he had an awesome start of his career but not long enough.

We had generational...........Teams!!
This was a long long time ago as we all know.
Different eras our teams were amazing.
Lots of star power, but not necessarily generational player as per se....

We have been lacking star power for years now, and Kovalev and Price were pretty much it....

Anybody thinking about Demidov at center? He has said that he likes playing center so not sure about how that plays out. Lets say he does play center. What does your forward roster look like now?

Slaf / Demidov / Caufield
Newhook / Suzuki / Dach
Roy / Hage / Beck
Xhekaj / Kapanen / Mesar

How can you not smile with this lineup......................man o man.
Throw in our young D corps!!!

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Mtl never had a generational player..never.

Lafleur was an elite player but not generational. Lafleur was an average player past 29 years old.

Look the stats of Lemieux and Wayne past their prime...Lafleur in not on that level at all..

Look at Crosby..what he does at 36.

You are righe about Lindros.. Lindros was a generational prospect and he had an awesome start of his career but not long enough.

You can make a case that Price was a Generational talent for goaltenders.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

He went 5th overall. Using the word generational with Demidov makes 0 sense whatsoever. If Demidov is to be considered generational or potential generational, then all of Bedard, Michkov, Stutzle, Jack Hughes, Smith, etc. are as well...

Yeah people need to relax about the superlatives. Generational basically means defining a generation or once in a generation. Theres only been like 5 generational players of all time. Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, and McDavid.

Even Bedard I wouldn't put up there. He's more like a Patty Kane. Will be a top 3 player every year he's in his prime but will never be the stand out best player of a generation like McDavid is, Crosby was, etc. Unfortunately for Lemieux, he played in the same era as the Greatest player of all time, but he's still generational regardless.

In my opinion, the league only has like 10ish superstars if you consider every position. Demidov has the chance at being a superstar but even if he's not and is just a tier below them, that's fine because teams like Florida or Vegas win without superstars whereas Colorado won with 2.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Mtl never had a generational player..never.

Lafleur was an elite player but not generational. Lafleur was an average player past 29 years old.

Look the stats of Lemieux and Wayne past their prime...Lafleur in not on that level at all..

Lolwhat

Blasphemy, feel shame.

 

[crosbyshow]

Lolwhat

Blasphemy, feel shame.

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Guy Lafleur was not a generational player.
Look around everywhere and nobody outside Montréal are saying that he was one.

Lafleur was done at 29.. Lafleur was the best player in the world in the mid 70s for about 5 years.

It s not because you are the best in the world for a time that a player is considered a generational player.

There is a difference between a star , franchise and generational player

Lafleur was a franchise player.

On all list by almost all experts in the world of hockey...those are the only generational players in history:

Howe
Orr
Gretzky
Lemieux
Crosby
Mcdavid

Thats it


The Rocket was not even close to be a generational player. He was the best scorer...thsts it...The dude never won the Art Ross.and he had less than 30 assists ler season...come on..

 

[V13]

very close but not generational
Bobby Hull
Marcel Dionne
Martin Brodeur
Chris Pronger
Raymond Bourque
Scott Niedermeyer
Mike Bossy

I'd argue that Roy , Brodeur and Hasek were all generational goalies. After all these 3 are regarded as the top 3 goalies of all time and re wrote goaltending history in their own ways.

As for Demidov right now he is not considered a generational talent. He's certainly a top tier blue chip prospect with huge upside though. That said let's say he come to the NHL and score 100+pts in his first few season then he may get upgraded to generational but that's very doubtful.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Lafleur was already labeled generational at 10 years old and his 6 100pts seasons, 5 cups, 3 art ross, 3 lester b person, 2 harts and Conn Smythe back it up.

Who are those experts?? Name names

Another longtime friend and former teammate, Serge Savard, shared Cournoyer's sentiments.

"He just dominated the National Hockey League, just like [Wayne] Gretzky dominated in his time and Mario Lemieux dominated in his time," he said in an interview with CBC's Daybreak.

'He was a big hero here, especially in the French population ... he's a unique player that comes only once in a generation."

Named one of the NHL's 100 greatest players of all time in 2017, Lafleur finished with a career total of 560 goals and 793 assists for 1,353 points in 1,126 games

 

[salbutera]

Guy Lafleur was not a generational player.
Look around everywhere and nobody outside Montréal are saying that he was one.

Lafleur was done at 29.. Lafleur was the best player in the world in the mid 70s for about 5 years.

It s not because you are the best in the world for a time that a player is considered a generational player.

There is a difference between a star , franchise and generational player

Lafleur was a franchise player.

On all list by almost all experts in the world of hockey...those are the only generational players in history:

Howe
Orr
Gretzky
Lemieux
Crosby
Mcdavid

Thats it


The Rocket was not even close to be a generational player. He was the best scorer...thsts it...The dude never won the Art Ross.and he had less than 30 assists ler season...come on..

Do you even know why? Or are you a stat looker?