Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

[JoelWarlord]

Demidov is great but will need great playres on his line. Not even sure how it's a controversial opinion...lolll

I think the controversial thing is more that you started this discussion by saying

"who the f*** will Demidov be on par with on this team so that they'd be able to follow his vision? Who scores on this team apart from Caufield? Chances are if we don't add to it. we will think Demidov is a dud in the NHL 'cause he gets no point when he actually nobody will be able to complete his plays..."​

I don't know if you intended to come off this way, but the way you phrased the first post on this topic reads as declaring that something is a problem through a rhetorical question despite there being pretty obvious answers to the question between Slafkovsky, Suzuki, and Laine. The take is controversial because people disagree that the problem you've identified and presented is actually a problem in the first place. "Is Demidov, Caufield, Laine, Suzuki, and Slafkovsky enough scoring talent to contend with if Demidov is the best player" is a reasonable question that I think a lot of people share, but I think the idea that we are so bereft of talent that Demidov will look like a dud unless he plays with Caufield is pretty overdramatic.

For example, you hinted at Michkov with the "if only we could have drafted a talented scorer" thing and he's currently PPG with Konecny, Tippett, Couturier, Laughton, and Poehling as his linemates this year and Drysdale as the PP1 QB. I don't think that group compares favourably to Slafkovsky, Laine, Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, and Newhook plus Hutson as the PP1 QB.

 

[G0bias]

Nice stat...Demidov is leading the KHL in points per 60 mins played. Not surprising, but nice to see.

Rank	Player	GP	G	A	P	TOI	P/60
1	Ivan Demidov	19	5	10	15	10:17	4.61
2	Nikita Artamonov	18	9	8	17	13:14	4.28
3	Grigory Kuzmin	10	3	3	6	8:30	4.24
4	Arseny Gritsyuk	18	7	12	19	15:30	4.09
5	Vitaly Abramov	19	10	9	19	14:48	4.05
6	Anthony De Angelo	11	3	13	16	22:38	3.86
7	Evgeny Kuznetsov	15	4	11	15	15:38	3.84
8	Nikolas Petan	14	3	12	15	16:51	3.82
9	Daniil Gutik	17	4	13	17	16:08	3.72
10	Vasily Glotov	11	8	3	11	16:23	3.66

Artamonov, another sneaky good Carolina pick. If it wasn't for Hage sliding, he was one of my preferred late first targets.

 

[417]

Deviating into shit that's irrelevalnt...you mean like comparing our situation to Hyman benefitting from Conor freakin McDavid? lol. by the way, how's Hyman this year? My pool tells you he sucks balls and I got fooled by an accidental year....

It’s not irrelevant, it speaks DIRECTLY to what we’re talking about. Just because the example isn’t convenient for your perspective, doesn’t make it irrelevant.

I could have used any number of examples.

The fact Hyman isn’t producing as well this year is what’s irrelevant because it DID happen last year.

Also, if you don’t think Hyman’s goal scoring will pick up as long as he’s playing with McDavid and/or Draisaitl, I don’t know what to tell you.

by the way, again, I'm talking the Habs. And what we will most likely have NEXT YEAR when Demidov comes in. Your response what not about Demidov it was about great players benefit other players. A general comment. To that general comment I answered by a specific example of Anderson not benefitting from Suzuki so that I don't entirely believe in that point of view of yours.

You have no idea what’s going to happen next year, Demidov might re-sign and stay in Russia for another year for all we know.

Your entire premise is based on a doomsday scenario.

Anderson didn’t produce playing half a season with Suzuki (or anyone else for that matter) so that means when Demidov comes to NA, unless we bless him with another amazing top 3 pick to play with, he won’t produce.

Insert violin man.

And yes, it's a real thing to not surround your great players with other great players. You should know it. WE had the best goalie in the world and still wasn't a contending team.

Demidov is great but will need great playres on his line. Not even sure how it's a controversial opinion...lolll

Even the best teams aren’t all loaded with great players, so it’s not that what you’re saying is a controversial opinion, it’s just not rooted in reality.

We drafted a player who appears that he has the potential to be a game breaker…who he ends up eventually playing with and how the team looks is anyone’s guess and that will be dealt with when we cross that bridge.

Just sit back and enjoy the ride for now, they’ll be plenty of time for the sky to fall when he comes over.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I remember this report.



I don't think they traded Romanov because he was Russian. I think it was because Habs saw an opportunity to acquire Dach. And because it took a 1st round pick to get him, Romanov was the one who had the value to acquire that 1st from the Isles. And with the influx of LDs who were turning pro (Guhle, Xhekaj & Harris). Romanov became dispensable.



I don't know if they fired him or his contract was up and didn't renew it. Either way, they already had Boisvert who is an international crossover scout. They had Rockstrom who is a European scout. And they had Bobrov with connections in Russia. And they have their scouts not just be in their own corners, but it's a more collaborative effort.

They've drafted Russians in 2023 and 2024 without a Russian scout.



Not taking Michkov had nothing to do with him being Russian. Because in the same draft, Habs took Konyushkov and Volokhin. And in 2024 they took Demidov and Khanin.

Not taking Michkov had to be either the info the Habs gathered on him turned them off or his 3 years remaining on his contrat also made them weary of taking him.

My point isn’t that we didn’t take Michkov because he was Russian, my point is that if he really refused to play here as many suggest, that is the fault of management for letting Philadelphia and Torts seem much more appealing than a notoriously Russian friendly city like Montreal

 

[Whitesnake]

It’s not irrelevant, it speaks DIRECTLY to what we’re talking about. Just because the example isn’t convenient for your perspective, doesn’t make it irrelevant.

You have no idea what’s going to happen next year, Demidov might re-sign and stay in Russia for another year for all we know.

Anderson didn’t produce playing half a season with Suzuki (or anyone else for that matter) so that means when Demidov comes to NA, unless we bless him with another amazing top 3 pick to play with, he won’t produce.

We drafted a player who appears that he has the potential to be a game breaker…who he ends up eventually playing with and how the team looks is anyone’s guess and that will be dealt with when we cross that bridge.

Just sit back and enjoy the ride for now, they’ll be plenty of time for the sky to fall when he comes over.

So in essence, you talking about Hyman with McDavid makes perfect sense, but me talking about Anderson with Suzuki doesn't? My Anderson with Suzuki was in DIRECT RESPONSE to you saying, as if there are no exceptions, great players benefit other players. It's just not always true.

Also, if the point of this hockey FUTURE board is to solely talk about scenarios we know about.....no idea what you are doing here. It's all about projections and all. And when we talk about known scenarios, we are called to use hindsight...lol

No, Andeson not producing with Suzuki does not mean Demidov won't produce. What it does mean is that YOUR point about great players make other benefit from them is not always true. Also, I wasn't talking about Demidov ENTIRE game. Kid can score too. What I was referring too were his insane qualities as a passer that will have to connect with a scorer to rack the points. That actually was my sole comment. A passer needs a shooter. Would Suzuki have the same number of points without Caufield then he would have with Armia? Newhook? Kapanen? So I obvously I'm talking about his regular line as the PP shouldn't be a problem.

Did I say that I'm sure Demidov won't be adding points 'cause he'll play with plugs next year? No. I'm only voicing that I hope he gets scorers that will be able to convert his insane vision. Shoot me. It's a comment. Based on today. With whatever it entails. One thing you could also do is just disregard it. But somehow nowadays, we HAVE to let the others know that WE HATE YOUR TAKE!!!!! lolll.

Do I not sit back and enjoy? Well if SKA doesn't play him, I won't enjoy it. When they do, I do enjoy him. I had him at No2. Did you? Pretty sure it means I love the kid and think the world of it. But based on the fact, again that we had the best goalie of the planet and couldn,t do squat, I hope we have the surroundings to make him shine.

 

[red devil]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849556615105487127

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849556615105487127

"Yeah, it was my first time in North America. I think it was good. In America, the weather is hot. It was 44 degrees… so hot! [Interviewer: I can promise you it’s not that hot in Montreal in the winter.] Yeah, I know. I like that. For me, it’s better in the winter."

oh thank f***!

 

[River Meadow]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849556615105487127

"After the draft, I met with him and Vincent Lecavalier. They’re two people whose resumes are really impressive. That’s why, for me, a coach like Martin St-Louis is cool because we are similar players. He has a great hockey IQ. He can teach me hockey secrets, like on the power play. I want to learn it."

And some of you want to fire MSL......

Give your heads a shake, fellas... smh.

 

[PavelBrendl]

Nice stat...Demidov is leading the KHL in points per 60 mins played. Not surprising, but nice to see.

Rank	Player	GP	G	A	P	TOI	P/60
1	Ivan Demidov	19	5	10	15	10:17	4.61
2	Nikita Artamonov	18	9	8	17	13:14	4.28
3	Grigory Kuzmin	10	3	3	6	8:30	4.24
4	Arseny Gritsyuk	18	7	12	19	15:30	4.09
5	Vitaly Abramov	19	10	9	19	14:48	4.05
6	Anthony De Angelo	11	3	13	16	22:38	3.86
7	Evgeny Kuznetsov	15	4	11	15	15:38	3.84
8	Nikolas Petan	14	3	12	15	16:51	3.82
9	Daniil Gutik	17	4	13	17	16:08	3.72
10	Vasily Glotov	11	8	3	11	16:23	3.66

This also goes to show how insane getting Artamonov at pick #50 is. Can’t believe a player that produced that much in the KHL in his draft year went that far outside the first round.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

After today, the kid is on pace for 54 pts (18G, 36A) in 68 GP.

He would be breaking his age records if he was playing top minute and pp and whatever , I actually don't mind him getting no pp as much as the crazy head scratching low ice time

 

[SlafySZN]

 

[Ezpz]

So that's what Hugo visited for. Social media content.

 

[Canadienna]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849556615105487127

LOL his two goals.

1) Muscle

2) Explosion

I wish my goals were this badass.

 

[Canadiens98]

Half of Dozen? Nah, I'm fine with just 2. Which is usually happen when you don't f*** up the first top 5 of the draft.

I definitely understand wanting the most talented players in the draft - But an argument can still be made that it will be Slafkovsky and Reinbacher who power us through the playoffs when we eventually make it back there.

 

[Rozz]

"Yeah, it was my first time in North America. I think it was good. In America, the weather is hot. It was 44 degrees… so hot! [Interviewer: I can promise you it’s not that hot in Montreal in the winter.] Yeah, I know. I like that. For me, it’s better in the winter."

oh thank f***!

My exact thoughts! lmao

 

[dinodebino]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849556615105487127

He likes CR…we’re f***ed.

 

[Kennerback]

I definitely understand wanting the most talented players in the draft - But an argument can still be made that it will be Slafkovsky and Reinbacher who power us through the playoffs when we eventually make it back there.

I think Slafkofsky has what it takes to be that bull in a china shop that breaks 1-1 tie games in a tough playoffs.

 

[Whitesnake]

I definitely understand wanting the most talented players in the draft - But an argument can still be made that it will be Slafkovsky and Reinbacher who power us through the playoffs when we eventually make it back there.

Very well possible. Everything is. And at that time, we'l say so.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Slaf - Suze - Demi gonna look good.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Ranked number one in prospects outside the NHL. Rb ranked 27th (would’ve been higher if not for injuries)

Who are the top players outside the NHL? Ranking the top 50 prospects

No. 1-ranked player Ivan Demidov -- the fifth overall pick this summer -- was an easy choice, with lots of debate thereafter.

www.espn.com

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I think Slafkofsky has what it takes to be that bull in a china shop that breaks 1-1 tie games in a tough playoffs.

Slaf isn't Todd Bertuzzi. He hits, but doesn't really have a mean streak. Don't think it'll happen unless someone lights a fire under his ass.

 

[boompuffboom]

Slaf isn't Todd Bertuzzi. He hits, but doesn't really have a mean streak. Don't think it'll happen unless someone lights a fire under his ass.

big disagree.
he's got the snarl inside him. he respects the game and knows he is still a young guy, with a lot to prove, hockey wise, before he can tap into his dominator energy and add another layer of nastiness to his game.

this kid, late 20s 30s is going to be a f***ing tyrrant on the ice. just watch.
--
as far as prince Ivan goes--
did you guys notice he's much more "game face on" 24-7... he means business.
i think Roman is telling him to behave like a man, not like a wide-eyed teenager.
not a fan of the coach, but this can end up paying off.
Imagine a healthy Ivan @ 26-27 years old with 8-10 years of business experience rather than fantasyland experience....
am i crazy?

 

[GTA]

Ranked number one in prospects outside the NHL. Rb ranked 27th (would’ve been higher if not for injuries)

Who are the top players outside the NHL? Ranking the top 50 prospects

No. 1-ranked player Ivan Demidov -- the fifth overall pick this summer -- was an easy choice, with lots of debate thereafter.

www.espn.com

Ehhh nice to read but that author has a history of opinions that make it obvious she doesnt know what the f*** she is talking about.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Ehhh nice to read but that author has a history of opinions that make it obvious she doesnt know what the f*** she is talking about.

I assume you have an issue with Demidov at #1? Who would you have over him?

 

[Kennerback]

I assume you have an issue with Demidov at #1? Who would you have over him?

I find Easton Cowan deserves a longer look myself.