Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

[417]

That's an odd post coming from somebody who saw Josh Anderson never benefit from playing with Suzuki....How is it that you suddenly can find yourself to become a scorer just because you get the puck on your stick? If anybody can do that...why can't they?

So I guess what you're saying is the only way Ivan Demidov pans out as a pick, is if we draft another half dozen Demidov's?

Taking Josh Anderson's demise as a useful top 6 winger and acting like it's going to be the same fate for every player that plays in the top 6 from here on out, is again, odd.

Like, are you ever happy about anything? and sorry if that comes off harsh, but man....

We've got a really, really, really good prospect. Rejoice!

Not sure why you're trying to galaxy brain it further than that. We don't know what this team will look like in 2-3 years from now.

Trying to act as though nothing will change/evolve just flies against logic.

 

[Rapala]

This knowing you are going to get what you want for Christmas in January is killing me.
The Habs playing like total dog shit right now isn't helping either.

 

[WeThreeKings]

ESPN today
"Who are the top players outside the NHL? Ranking the top 50 prospects
-4h ago Rachel Doerrie"
Who are the top players outside the NHL? Ranking the top 50 prospects

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849470185918366160

 

[LaP]

So I guess what you're saying is the only way Ivan Demidov pans out as a pick, is if we draft another half dozen Demidov's?

Taking Josh Anderson's demise as a useful top 6 winger and acting like it's going to be the same fate for every player that plays in the top 6 from here on out, is again, odd.

Like, are you ever happy about anything? and sorry if that comes off harsh, but man....

We've got a really, really, really good prospect. Rejoice!

Not sure why you're trying to galaxy brain it further than that. We don't know what this team will look like in 2-3 years from now.

Trying to act as though nothing will change/evolve just flies against logic.

Specially since Anderson has never been an effective top 6 player in his career. He had one good season as a top 6 player in career which was an outlier.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Not giving up on Slaf. But it still needs to be proven. Strangely what Slaf has proven to me is more his passing skills than his scoring one...But maybe he'll evolve into a scorer the way Pacioretty did.

That would be great if he become a scorer like Pacio. One thing for sure, Slaf is way more promising than Pacioretty as a player. Better playmaker, better hands and more physical.

So having a better looking Pacioretty with a player like Demidov, that's a potentially a deadly duo to me !

 

[Whitesnake]

So I guess what you're saying is the only way Ivan Demidov pans out as a pick, is if we draft another half dozen Demidov's?

Taking Josh Anderson's demise as a useful top 6 winger and acting like it's going to be the same fate for every player that plays in the top 6 from here on out, is again, odd.

Like, are you ever happy about anything? and sorry if that comes off harsh, but man....

We've got a really, really, really good prospect. Rejoice!

Not sure why you're trying to galaxy brain it further than that. We don't know what this team will look like in 2-3 years from now.

Trying to act as though nothing will change/evolve just flies against logic.

Half of Dozen? Nah, I'm fine with just 2. Which is usually happen when you don't f*** up the first top 5 of the draft.

I will never know why you have such a hard time with people responding to your points. You said elite players make people benefit from them. Suzuki is what I consider a great player. Did he succeeded in making Anderson benefit from it? Why do you have a hard time with people responding to your exact comments? Shouldn't you hate when people move goalposts instead?

Did I say Slaf will become Anderson? No. Did I say Laine will become Anderson? No. did I say Dach will become Anderson? No. What I DO SAY about those...it's that it's unknown right now. We don't know about Slaf scoring skills. We don't know how Laine will come back and if he'll stick around. And we don't even know if Dach is a C or a winger. So those 3 are question marks. Facts. And I have some questions too.

Am I happy about anything? Yeah...the Demidov pick for starters. The Hage pick. Caufield. Suzuki. Hutson. I guess you are not around when I talk about them or you just decide to not see it.

The question I have if who when he'll be here will be able to convert him. NOT he will NEVER HAVE ANYBODY TO CONVERT WITH HIM. What it means is that in my opinion, if you stick Suzuki, Caufield and Slaf together, the best chance we have at having a goalscorer for his insane vision, is somebody who is STILL not picked yet. So yeah, if this summer we pick Martone, and next year we pick McKennan, yeah, chances are that won't be a problem....

in the meantime, the only thing we have right now: Dach, Laine, Slaf are question marks.

As far as acting like nothing can change/evolve...that's just funny. There are a few teams in this league who haven't change or evolve in 20 years. And we haven't been a true serious contending team for 20 years now despite the flukes we had over the years. So if you don't mind, I,ll wait for a couple of great years in a row before acknowledging we are evolving. It's one thing to evolve on paper. It's on the ice that counts the most.

That would be great if he become a scorer like Pacio. One thing for sure, Slaf is way more promising than Pacioretty as a player. Better playmaker, better hands and more physical.

So having a better looking Pacioretty with a player like Demidov, that's a potentially a deadly duo to me !

Pacioretty in the NCAA was seen more a passer than a scorer. Even in the USHL. And developed into a big time scorer. My hope is that it happens for Slaf too.

 

[Whitesnake]

Specially since Anderson has never been an effective top 6 player in his career. He had one good season as a top 6 player in career which was an outlier.

Wait...so how does that work? To become succesful playing with elite players, you already have to be succesful? So what does playing with Elite players does? Be even more succesful? If we can't use Anderson....or Armia...or Newhook...or whatever to say that it doesn't prove anything, we shouldn't be able to say that Warren Young is a proof of that 'cause he became that great winger with Mario Lemieux. Or that Zach Hyman became a 50-goal scorer because of McDavid.

Demidov will need players alongside him that will be able to follow the pace. If not, what's even the point to talk about it?

Who in this team does not work well right now but would work well with Demidov? Demidov has enough talent to create plays on his own. But he will need some help. With players probably not picked yet that will have to follow his pace.

 

[417]

Half of Dozen? Nah, I'm fine with just 2. Which is usually happen when you don't f*** up the first top 5 of the draft.

Oilers f***d up the first top 5 of the draft repeatedly...somehow Zach Hyman scored a gazillion goals last year

Great players make others better. I know you know this, not sure why i've got to explain this to you

I will never know why you have such a hard time with people responding to your points. You said elite players make people benefit from them. Suzuki is what I consider a great player. Did he succeeded in making Anderson benefit from it? Why do you have a hard time with people responding to your exact comments? Shouldn't you hate when people move goalposts instead?

I don't have a hard time with anyone responding to my points.

You made a comment, I responded, you responded and here we are.

Your Anderson/Suzuki point and your link to Demidov make no sense though.

Is Demidov going to be playing with Anderson? What's one got to do with another?

Did I say Slaf will become Anderson? No. Did I say Laine will become Anderson? No. did I say Dach will become Anderson? No. What I DO SAY about those...it's that it's unknown right now. We don't know about Slaf scoring skills. We don't know how Laine will come back and if he'll stick around. And we don't even know if Dach is a C or a winger. So those 3 are question marks. Facts. And I have some questions too.

Mmmm k..cause I didn't say you said any of that either. But thanks for memo I guess.

Am I happy about anything? Yeah...the Demidov pick for starters. The Hage pick. Caufield. Suzuki. Hutson. I guess you are not around when I talk about them or you just decide to not see it.

Yet here you are in a Demidov thread, worrying about who Demidov is going to be able to rack up points with because Josh Anderson couldn't score 20 goals playing with Nick Suzuki last year (for a portion of the year).

That's happy?

The question I have if who when he'll be here will be able to convert him. NOT he will NEVER HAVE ANYBODY TO CONVERT WITH HIM. What it means is that in my opinion, if you stick Suzuki, Caufield and Slaf together, the best chance we have at having a goalscorer for his insane vision, is somebody who is STILL not picked yet. So yeah, if this summer we pick Martone, and next year we pick McKennan, yeah, chances are that won't be a problem....

in the meantime, the only thing we have right now: Dach, Laine, Slaf are question marks.

Even Demidov is a question mark...so i'm just not sure i'm getting your point other than you just being an alarmist.

As far as acting like nothing can change/evolve...that's just funny. There are a few teams in this league who haven't change or evolve in 20 years. And we haven't been a true serious contending team for 20 years now despite the flukes we had over the years. So if you don't mind, I,ll wait for a couple of great years in a row before acknowledging we are evolving. It's one thing to evolve on paper. It's on the ice that counts the most.

I didn't speak about the team evolving, we were talking about individual players.

So maybe I have "a hard time" with people responding to my posts, because as you just demonstrate, they deviate into other shit that's completely irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

As for the rest of your point, you can wait or not wait...doesn't change anything. For all you know Emil Heineman is a 25 goal scorer in 2-3 years from now. Or the Patrik Laine is a 40+ goal scorer, or Demidov is a total bust.

But I suppose if you wanna bite your nails until then, that's also your prerogative.

"We never draft high end prospects"

Team drafts high end prospect

"we don't have anyone to play him with"

Is this a real thing? lol

If Nick Suzuki found a way to score 77 points last year on THIS team...i'm fairly confident Demidov will find a way to rack up some points too.

 

[Whitesnake]

Oilers f***d up the first top 5 of the draft repeatedly...somehow Zach Hyman scored a gazillion goals last year. Great players make others better. I know you know this, not sure why i've got to explain this to you

I don't have a hard time with anyone responding to my points. You made a comment, I responded, you responded and here we are. Your Anderson/Suzuki point and your link to Demidov make no sense though. Is Demidov going to be playing with Anderson? What's one got to do with another?

I didn't speak about the team evolving, we were talking about individual players. So maybe I have "a hard time" with people responding to my posts, because as you just demonstrate, they deviate into other shit that's completely irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

As for the rest of your point, you can wait or not wait...doesn't change anything. For all you know Emil Heineman is a 25 goal scorer in 2-3 years from now. Or the Patrik Laine is a 40+ goal scorer, or Demidov is a total bust.

But I suppose if you wanna bite your nails until then, that's also your prerogative. "We never draft high end prospects". Team drafts high end prospect. "we don't have anyone to play him with"

Is this a real thing? lol

Deviating into shit that's irrelevalnt...you mean like comparing our situation to Hyman benefitting from Conor freakin McDavid? lol. by the way, how's Hyman this year? My pool tells you he sucks balls and I got fooled by an accidental year....

by the way, again, I'm talking the Habs. And what we will most likely have NEXT YEAR when Demidov comes in. Your response what not about Demidov it was about great players benefit other players. A general comment. To that general comment I answered by a specific example of Anderson not benefitting from Suzuki so that I don't entirely believe in that point of view of yours.

And yes, it's a real thing to not surround your great players with other great players. You should know it. WE had the best goalie in the world and still wasn't a contending team.

Demidov is great but will need great playres on his line. Not even sure how it's a controversial opinion...lolll

 

[JoelWarlord]

Demidov is great but will need great playres on his line. Not even sure how it's a controversial opinion...lolll

I think the controversial thing is more that you started this discussion by saying

"who the f*** will Demidov be on par with on this team so that they'd be able to follow his vision? Who scores on this team apart from Caufield? Chances are if we don't add to it. we will think Demidov is a dud in the NHL 'cause he gets no point when he actually nobody will be able to complete his plays..."​

I don't know if you intended to come off this way, but the way you phrased the first post on this topic reads as declaring that something is a problem through a rhetorical question despite there being pretty obvious answers to the question between Slafkovsky, Suzuki, and Laine. The take is controversial because people disagree that the problem you've identified and presented is actually a problem in the first place. "Is Demidov, Caufield, Laine, Suzuki, and Slafkovsky enough scoring talent to contend with if Demidov is the best player" is a reasonable question that I think a lot of people share, but I think the idea that we are so bereft of talent that Demidov will look like a dud unless he plays with Caufield is pretty overdramatic.

For example, you hinted at Michkov with the "if only we could have drafted a talented scorer" thing and he's currently PPG with Konecny, Tippett, Couturier, Laughton, and Poehling as his linemates this year and Drysdale as the PP1 QB. I don't think that group compares favourably to Slafkovsky, Laine, Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, and Newhook plus Hutson as the PP1 QB.

 

[G0bias]

Nice stat...Demidov is leading the KHL in points per 60 mins played. Not surprising, but nice to see.

Rank	Player	GP	G	A	P	TOI	P/60
1	Ivan Demidov	19	5	10	15	10:17	4.61
2	Nikita Artamonov	18	9	8	17	13:14	4.28
3	Grigory Kuzmin	10	3	3	6	8:30	4.24
4	Arseny Gritsyuk	18	7	12	19	15:30	4.09
5	Vitaly Abramov	19	10	9	19	14:48	4.05
6	Anthony De Angelo	11	3	13	16	22:38	3.86
7	Evgeny Kuznetsov	15	4	11	15	15:38	3.84
8	Nikolas Petan	14	3	12	15	16:51	3.82
9	Daniil Gutik	17	4	13	17	16:08	3.72
10	Vasily Glotov	11	8	3	11	16:23	3.66

Artamonov, another sneaky good Carolina pick. If it wasn't for Hage sliding, he was one of my preferred late first targets.

 

[417]

Deviating into shit that's irrelevalnt...you mean like comparing our situation to Hyman benefitting from Conor freakin McDavid? lol. by the way, how's Hyman this year? My pool tells you he sucks balls and I got fooled by an accidental year....

It’s not irrelevant, it speaks DIRECTLY to what we’re talking about. Just because the example isn’t convenient for your perspective, doesn’t make it irrelevant.

I could have used any number of examples.

The fact Hyman isn’t producing as well this year is what’s irrelevant because it DID happen last year.

Also, if you don’t think Hyman’s goal scoring will pick up as long as he’s playing with McDavid and/or Draisaitl, I don’t know what to tell you.

by the way, again, I'm talking the Habs. And what we will most likely have NEXT YEAR when Demidov comes in. Your response what not about Demidov it was about great players benefit other players. A general comment. To that general comment I answered by a specific example of Anderson not benefitting from Suzuki so that I don't entirely believe in that point of view of yours.

You have no idea what’s going to happen next year, Demidov might re-sign and stay in Russia for another year for all we know.

Your entire premise is based on a doomsday scenario.

Anderson didn’t produce playing half a season with Suzuki (or anyone else for that matter) so that means when Demidov comes to NA, unless we bless him with another amazing top 3 pick to play with, he won’t produce.

Insert violin man.

And yes, it's a real thing to not surround your great players with other great players. You should know it. WE had the best goalie in the world and still wasn't a contending team.

Demidov is great but will need great playres on his line. Not even sure how it's a controversial opinion...lolll

Even the best teams aren’t all loaded with great players, so it’s not that what you’re saying is a controversial opinion, it’s just not rooted in reality.

We drafted a player who appears that he has the potential to be a game breaker…who he ends up eventually playing with and how the team looks is anyone’s guess and that will be dealt with when we cross that bridge.

Just sit back and enjoy the ride for now, they’ll be plenty of time for the sky to fall when he comes over.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I remember this report.



I don't think they traded Romanov because he was Russian. I think it was because Habs saw an opportunity to acquire Dach. And because it took a 1st round pick to get him, Romanov was the one who had the value to acquire that 1st from the Isles. And with the influx of LDs who were turning pro (Guhle, Xhekaj & Harris). Romanov became dispensable.



I don't know if they fired him or his contract was up and didn't renew it. Either way, they already had Boisvert who is an international crossover scout. They had Rockstrom who is a European scout. And they had Bobrov with connections in Russia. And they have their scouts not just be in their own corners, but it's a more collaborative effort.

They've drafted Russians in 2023 and 2024 without a Russian scout.



Not taking Michkov had nothing to do with him being Russian. Because in the same draft, Habs took Konyushkov and Volokhin. And in 2024 they took Demidov and Khanin.

Not taking Michkov had to be either the info the Habs gathered on him turned them off or his 3 years remaining on his contrat also made them weary of taking him.

My point isn’t that we didn’t take Michkov because he was Russian, my point is that if he really refused to play here as many suggest, that is the fault of management for letting Philadelphia and Torts seem much more appealing than a notoriously Russian friendly city like Montreal

 

[Whitesnake]

It’s not irrelevant, it speaks DIRECTLY to what we’re talking about. Just because the example isn’t convenient for your perspective, doesn’t make it irrelevant.

You have no idea what’s going to happen next year, Demidov might re-sign and stay in Russia for another year for all we know.

Anderson didn’t produce playing half a season with Suzuki (or anyone else for that matter) so that means when Demidov comes to NA, unless we bless him with another amazing top 3 pick to play with, he won’t produce.

We drafted a player who appears that he has the potential to be a game breaker…who he ends up eventually playing with and how the team looks is anyone’s guess and that will be dealt with when we cross that bridge.

Just sit back and enjoy the ride for now, they’ll be plenty of time for the sky to fall when he comes over.

So in essence, you talking about Hyman with McDavid makes perfect sense, but me talking about Anderson with Suzuki doesn't? My Anderson with Suzuki was in DIRECT RESPONSE to you saying, as if there are no exceptions, great players benefit other players. It's just not always true.

Also, if the point of this hockey FUTURE board is to solely talk about scenarios we know about.....no idea what you are doing here. It's all about projections and all. And when we talk about known scenarios, we are called to use hindsight...lol

No, Andeson not producing with Suzuki does not mean Demidov won't produce. What it does mean is that YOUR point about great players make other benefit from them is not always true. Also, I wasn't talking about Demidov ENTIRE game. Kid can score too. What I was referring too were his insane qualities as a passer that will have to connect with a scorer to rack the points. That actually was my sole comment. A passer needs a shooter. Would Suzuki have the same number of points without Caufield then he would have with Armia? Newhook? Kapanen? So I obvously I'm talking about his regular line as the PP shouldn't be a problem.

Did I say that I'm sure Demidov won't be adding points 'cause he'll play with plugs next year? No. I'm only voicing that I hope he gets scorers that will be able to convert his insane vision. Shoot me. It's a comment. Based on today. With whatever it entails. One thing you could also do is just disregard it. But somehow nowadays, we HAVE to let the others know that WE HATE YOUR TAKE!!!!! lolll.

Do I not sit back and enjoy? Well if SKA doesn't play him, I won't enjoy it. When they do, I do enjoy him. I had him at No2. Did you? Pretty sure it means I love the kid and think the world of it. But based on the fact, again that we had the best goalie of the planet and couldn,t do squat, I hope we have the surroundings to make him shine.

 

[red devil]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849556615105487127

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849556615105487127

"Yeah, it was my first time in North America. I think it was good. In America, the weather is hot. It was 44 degrees… so hot! [Interviewer: I can promise you it’s not that hot in Montreal in the winter.] Yeah, I know. I like that. For me, it’s better in the winter."

oh thank f***!

 

[River Meadow]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849556615105487127

"After the draft, I met with him and Vincent Lecavalier. They’re two people whose resumes are really impressive. That’s why, for me, a coach like Martin St-Louis is cool because we are similar players. He has a great hockey IQ. He can teach me hockey secrets, like on the power play. I want to learn it."

And some of you want to fire MSL......

Give your heads a shake, fellas... smh.

 

[PavelBrendl]

Nice stat...Demidov is leading the KHL in points per 60 mins played. Not surprising, but nice to see.

Rank	Player	GP	G	A	P	TOI	P/60
1	Ivan Demidov	19	5	10	15	10:17	4.61
2	Nikita Artamonov	18	9	8	17	13:14	4.28
3	Grigory Kuzmin	10	3	3	6	8:30	4.24
4	Arseny Gritsyuk	18	7	12	19	15:30	4.09
5	Vitaly Abramov	19	10	9	19	14:48	4.05
6	Anthony De Angelo	11	3	13	16	22:38	3.86
7	Evgeny Kuznetsov	15	4	11	15	15:38	3.84
8	Nikolas Petan	14	3	12	15	16:51	3.82
9	Daniil Gutik	17	4	13	17	16:08	3.72
10	Vasily Glotov	11	8	3	11	16:23	3.66

This also goes to show how insane getting Artamonov at pick #50 is. Can’t believe a player that produced that much in the KHL in his draft year went that far outside the first round.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

After today, the kid is on pace for 54 pts (18G, 36A) in 68 GP.

He would be breaking his age records if he was playing top minute and pp and whatever , I actually don't mind him getting no pp as much as the crazy head scratching low ice time

 

[SlafySZN]