Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

[morhilane]

Do you think positioning solely comes from X's and O's? Or instinct? Finding an open spot comes from the offensive player IQ. Not strategy on a board.

Both.

There is a lots off positional issues right now that should get fixed via video reviews (some already had since the season started irc) and using set plays is X's and O's (and they do that sometimes).

Also, attacking the slot and having a screener is technically X's and O's too. But the forwards are too cream puff to do it outside of Slaff and vintage Gally.

 

[Bombshell11]

The question is this...to who the f*** will Demidov be on par with on this team so that they'd be able to follow his vision? Who scores on this team apart from Caufield?

The answer to this is so easy. There's only 1 guy in the entire roster that could keep up with Demidov.

Yes, you know who i am talking about, you saw my name, you knew right away who i was going to talk about.

Buckle up my friend, because its happening.

 

[LaP]

Imagine thinking Caufield, Suzuki and Slaf are not good enough to follow an elite player and produce with him. Crazy. Totally crazy. In a cap era you can't have 6 elite players in your lineup. If Demidov is elite he'll have to spend his career playing with guys like Dach, Slaf, Caufield and Suzuki like all elite players do.

 

[rahad]

Still needs to be determined. Still needs to stay with the team. Imagine that...the only other proven scorer we have and hope for is a guy who is still a huge unknown....and we are suppose to be in the mix...lol

Let hope we get lucky and draft in the top 3. I don't see Laine staying with us after his contract.

 

[LaP]

Both.

There is a lots off positional issues right now that should get fixed via video reviews (some already had since the season started irc) and using set plays is X's and O's (and they do that sometimes).

Also, attacking the slot and having a screener is technically X's and O's too. But the forwards are too cream puff to do it outside of Slaff and vintage Gally.

Xs and Os can work for a short while. But a lack of skills will always get exposed eventually. Half this board had an orgasm over the Flyers last year, How Tort was a genius and we needed a coach like him. How they were ahead of us in their rebuild. Bla bla bla the usual fefans boring stuff. I spent the whole last season saying it would not last. And so far it does not. Flyers are 3rd last in the league (behind us), they allowed 3 more goals than us and scored 1 less goal than us. They replaced some grinders by kids and it's making them worse (which is normal).

We can fire MSL and hire a dinosaur. Yes short term it will make the team look good while this dinosaur bench the kids, run them under the bus and recall AHLers to play in their place. But it's wont do any good mid or long term. I'm not saying MSL is a good coach. But until the team is good on paper there'S no reason to replace him if the kids like him. If he works well with the kids then no reason to replace him. The entire team is under 23 people should be patient. Mesar is having a better start in the AHL than McGroarty but at their age it doesn't mean anything. As price once said chill out.

 

[Darz]

Nice stat...Demidov is leading the KHL in points per 60 mins played. Not surprising, but nice to see.

Rank	Player	GP	G	A	P	TOI	P/60
1	Ivan Demidov	19	5	10	15	10:17	4.61
2	Nikita Artamonov	18	9	8	17	13:14	4.28
3	Grigory Kuzmin	10	3	3	6	8:30	4.24
4	Arseny Gritsyuk	18	7	12	19	15:30	4.09
5	Vitaly Abramov	19	10	9	19	14:48	4.05
6	Anthony De Angelo	11	3	13	16	22:38	3.86
7	Evgeny Kuznetsov	15	4	11	15	15:38	3.84
8	Nikolas Petan	14	3	12	15	16:51	3.82
9	Daniil Gutik	17	4	13	17	16:08	3.72
10	Vasily Glotov	11	8	3	11	16:23	3.66

 

[KevSkillz4]

The question is this...to who the f*** will Demidov be on par with on this team so that they'd be able to follow his vision? Who scores on this team apart from Caufield?

Chances are if we don't add to it. we will think Demidov is a dud in the NHL 'cause he gets no point when he actually nobody will be able to complete his plays...

If only we could have drafted a talented scorer...but they are not available at the draft we pick....

Slaf and Suzuki are perfect for Demidov. Suzuki can score. Slaf have a great shot aswell, he can become a very good goalscorer with a player like Demidov who make magic in offense zone.

Don't underrated the offensive talent of Slaf. He is the real deal aswell, not talented like Demidov, they are different, but Slaf have also high offensive talent, amazing playmaker and hands. Need to shoot more and can be a 30-35 goalscorer per season.

 

[Darz]

Saw this one on the prospect boards....maybe ever a better stat

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849414973501391275

 

[gusfring]

AT this point I would trade Matheson or Savard and bring DeAngelo over.

 

[overlords]

AT this point I would trade Matheson or Savard and bring DeAngelo over.

the St Hubert crowd would flip out

 

[417]

The question is this...to who the f*** will Demidov be on par with on this team so that they'd be able to follow his vision? Who scores on this team apart from Caufield?

Chances are if we don't add to it. we will think Demidov is a dud in the NHL 'cause he gets no point when he actually nobody will be able to complete his plays...

If only we could have drafted a talented scorer...but they are not available at the draft we pick....

You know...elite players make others around them benefit.

Players benefit from playing with players who have amazing vision, like Demidov has.

This is an odd post.

 

[Leto]

We can fire MSL and hire a dinosaur. Yes short term it will make the team look good while this dinosaur bench the kids, run them under the bus and recall AHLers to play in their place. But it's wont do any good mid or long term. I'm not saying MSL is a good coach. But until the team is good on paper there'S no reason to replace him if the kids like him. If he works well with the kids then no reason to replace him. The entire team is under 23 people should be patient. Mesar is having a better start in the AHL than McGroarty but at their age it doesn't mean anything. As price once said chill out.

Not a comment per se on MSL, but I'd be wary about the team developing a culture of complacency / a country club. We saw that in Ottawa with DJ Smith.​

 

[Whitesnake]

You know...elite players make others around them benefit.

Players benefit from playing with players who have amazing vision, like Demidov has.

This is an odd post.

That's an odd post coming from somebody who saw Josh Anderson never benefit from playing with Suzuki....How is it that you suddenly can find yourself to become a scorer just because you get the puck on your stick? If anybody can do that...why can't they?

Slaf and Suzuki are perfect for Demidov. Suzuki can score. Slaf have a great shot aswell, he can become a very good goalscorer with a player like Demidov who make magic in offense zone.

Don't underrated the offensive talent of Slaf. He is the real deal aswell, not talented like Demidov, they are different, but Slaf have also high offensive talent, amazing playmaker and hands. Need to shoot more and can be a 30-35 goalscorer per season.

Not giving up on Slaf. But it still needs to be proven. Strangely what Slaf has proven to me is more his passing skills than his scoring one...But maybe he'll evolve into a scorer the way Pacioretty did.

Imagine thinking Caufield, Suzuki and Slaf are not good enough to follow an elite player and produce with him. Crazy. Totally crazy. In a cap era you can't have 6 elite players in your lineup. If Demidov is elite he'll have to spend his career playing with guys like Dach, Slaf, Caufield and Suzuki like all elite players do.

you do know that those 3 are pencilled to play together right? Or we will have a line with 4 forwards? Who is left in your 2nd line with Demidov? Dach and Laine. 2 still huge question marks. If Demidov becomes mostly a first and foremost passer...which proven scorer do we have that will benefit from him? Caufield already benefits from Suzuki....so he will profit more if he plays with Demidov? Okay. Though do you see a line of Caufield-Suzuki-Demidov? If not who else....Dach? DAch will be the scorer? Hey maybe if he moves to the wings, and Hage becomes that 2nd centerman...Dach-Hage-Demidov? Maybe. Will Laine will still be with us? In what shape?

You don't see how all of that are question marks? Which in the end makes me question it? lol

 

[LaP]

Not a comment per se on MSL, but I'd be wary about the team developing a culture of complacency / a country club. We saw that in Ottawa with DJ Smith.​

Elite players don't do that. If you have the potential to develop a culture of complacency it means the team is not good. Winners don't step on the ice and be like hey my team has a culture of complacency it will not show up tonight. People focus too much on teams like Buffalo and Ottawa which are the reault of years of bad management more than a culture of complacency. The culture of complacency is the symptom not the problem.

Add a prime Malkin and Crosby or prime Ovy and Backtrom or prime Sakic and Forsberg or prime Yzerman and Fedorov or prime MacKinnon and Rantanen to any team in the NHL and the culture will change overnight no matter what and this with the same coach and the same players. It doesn't mean changes wont have to happen eventually but the team will start to win and you'll be able to evaluate the real holes to fix.

What we see right now is the result of a team not good enough and too young which means we need to add more and be patient. When Rantanen was 19 and MacKinnon 20 the Avs finished dead last in the league and were like really far from the 2nd last position which helped them add Makar to their pipeline. The very next season they made the playoffs.

Luckily (and hopefully) one of those add is in the KHL and already part of the pipeline. Another one should be at the next draft. After that we'll see. It doesn't mean the guys we have can't help it means as a group they're not good enough and/or too young. One player alone can't do it all unless his name is Bure.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Still needs to be determined. Still needs to stay with the team. Imagine that...the only other proven scorer we have and hope for is a guy who is still a huge unknown....and we are suppose to be in the mix...lol

We had a player who scored 33 goals last season.

 

[Redux91]

ESPN today
"Who are the top players outside the NHL? Ranking the top 50 prospects
-4h ago Rachel Doerrie"
Who are the top players outside the NHL? Ranking the top 50 prospects

1-Demidov
9-Lindstrom
14-Sennecke

Just wild by Anaheim and Columbus

 

[417]

That's an odd post coming from somebody who saw Josh Anderson never benefit from playing with Suzuki....How is it that you suddenly can find yourself to become a scorer just because you get the puck on your stick? If anybody can do that...why can't they?

So I guess what you're saying is the only way Ivan Demidov pans out as a pick, is if we draft another half dozen Demidov's?

Taking Josh Anderson's demise as a useful top 6 winger and acting like it's going to be the same fate for every player that plays in the top 6 from here on out, is again, odd.

Like, are you ever happy about anything? and sorry if that comes off harsh, but man....

We've got a really, really, really good prospect. Rejoice!

Not sure why you're trying to galaxy brain it further than that. We don't know what this team will look like in 2-3 years from now.

Trying to act as though nothing will change/evolve just flies against logic.

 

[Rapala]

This knowing you are going to get what you want for Christmas in January is killing me.
The Habs playing like total dog shit right now isn't helping either.

 

[WeThreeKings]

ESPN today
"Who are the top players outside the NHL? Ranking the top 50 prospects
-4h ago Rachel Doerrie"
Who are the top players outside the NHL? Ranking the top 50 prospects

https://x.com/i/web/status/1849470185918366160

 

[LaP]

So I guess what you're saying is the only way Ivan Demidov pans out as a pick, is if we draft another half dozen Demidov's?

Taking Josh Anderson's demise as a useful top 6 winger and acting like it's going to be the same fate for every player that plays in the top 6 from here on out, is again, odd.

Like, are you ever happy about anything? and sorry if that comes off harsh, but man....

We've got a really, really, really good prospect. Rejoice!

Not sure why you're trying to galaxy brain it further than that. We don't know what this team will look like in 2-3 years from now.

Trying to act as though nothing will change/evolve just flies against logic.

Specially since Anderson has never been an effective top 6 player in his career. He had one good season as a top 6 player in career which was an outlier.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Not giving up on Slaf. But it still needs to be proven. Strangely what Slaf has proven to me is more his passing skills than his scoring one...But maybe he'll evolve into a scorer the way Pacioretty did.

That would be great if he become a scorer like Pacio. One thing for sure, Slaf is way more promising than Pacioretty as a player. Better playmaker, better hands and more physical.

So having a better looking Pacioretty with a player like Demidov, that's a potentially a deadly duo to me !

 

[Whitesnake]

So I guess what you're saying is the only way Ivan Demidov pans out as a pick, is if we draft another half dozen Demidov's?

Taking Josh Anderson's demise as a useful top 6 winger and acting like it's going to be the same fate for every player that plays in the top 6 from here on out, is again, odd.

Like, are you ever happy about anything? and sorry if that comes off harsh, but man....

We've got a really, really, really good prospect. Rejoice!

Not sure why you're trying to galaxy brain it further than that. We don't know what this team will look like in 2-3 years from now.

Trying to act as though nothing will change/evolve just flies against logic.

Half of Dozen? Nah, I'm fine with just 2. Which is usually happen when you don't f*** up the first top 5 of the draft.

I will never know why you have such a hard time with people responding to your points. You said elite players make people benefit from them. Suzuki is what I consider a great player. Did he succeeded in making Anderson benefit from it? Why do you have a hard time with people responding to your exact comments? Shouldn't you hate when people move goalposts instead?

Did I say Slaf will become Anderson? No. Did I say Laine will become Anderson? No. did I say Dach will become Anderson? No. What I DO SAY about those...it's that it's unknown right now. We don't know about Slaf scoring skills. We don't know how Laine will come back and if he'll stick around. And we don't even know if Dach is a C or a winger. So those 3 are question marks. Facts. And I have some questions too.

Am I happy about anything? Yeah...the Demidov pick for starters. The Hage pick. Caufield. Suzuki. Hutson. I guess you are not around when I talk about them or you just decide to not see it.

The question I have if who when he'll be here will be able to convert him. NOT he will NEVER HAVE ANYBODY TO CONVERT WITH HIM. What it means is that in my opinion, if you stick Suzuki, Caufield and Slaf together, the best chance we have at having a goalscorer for his insane vision, is somebody who is STILL not picked yet. So yeah, if this summer we pick Martone, and next year we pick McKennan, yeah, chances are that won't be a problem....

in the meantime, the only thing we have right now: Dach, Laine, Slaf are question marks.

As far as acting like nothing can change/evolve...that's just funny. There are a few teams in this league who haven't change or evolve in 20 years. And we haven't been a true serious contending team for 20 years now despite the flukes we had over the years. So if you don't mind, I,ll wait for a couple of great years in a row before acknowledging we are evolving. It's one thing to evolve on paper. It's on the ice that counts the most.

That would be great if he become a scorer like Pacio. One thing for sure, Slaf is way more promising than Pacioretty as a player. Better playmaker, better hands and more physical.

So having a better looking Pacioretty with a player like Demidov, that's a potentially a deadly duo to me !

Pacioretty in the NCAA was seen more a passer than a scorer. Even in the USHL. And developed into a big time scorer. My hope is that it happens for Slaf too.

 

[Whitesnake]

Specially since Anderson has never been an effective top 6 player in his career. He had one good season as a top 6 player in career which was an outlier.

Wait...so how does that work? To become succesful playing with elite players, you already have to be succesful? So what does playing with Elite players does? Be even more succesful? If we can't use Anderson....or Armia...or Newhook...or whatever to say that it doesn't prove anything, we shouldn't be able to say that Warren Young is a proof of that 'cause he became that great winger with Mario Lemieux. Or that Zach Hyman became a 50-goal scorer because of McDavid.

Demidov will need players alongside him that will be able to follow the pace. If not, what's even the point to talk about it?

Who in this team does not work well right now but would work well with Demidov? Demidov has enough talent to create plays on his own. But he will need some help. With players probably not picked yet that will have to follow his pace.

 

[417]

Half of Dozen? Nah, I'm fine with just 2. Which is usually happen when you don't f*** up the first top 5 of the draft.

Oilers f***d up the first top 5 of the draft repeatedly...somehow Zach Hyman scored a gazillion goals last year

Great players make others better. I know you know this, not sure why i've got to explain this to you

I will never know why you have such a hard time with people responding to your points. You said elite players make people benefit from them. Suzuki is what I consider a great player. Did he succeeded in making Anderson benefit from it? Why do you have a hard time with people responding to your exact comments? Shouldn't you hate when people move goalposts instead?

I don't have a hard time with anyone responding to my points.

You made a comment, I responded, you responded and here we are.

Your Anderson/Suzuki point and your link to Demidov make no sense though.

Is Demidov going to be playing with Anderson? What's one got to do with another?

Did I say Slaf will become Anderson? No. Did I say Laine will become Anderson? No. did I say Dach will become Anderson? No. What I DO SAY about those...it's that it's unknown right now. We don't know about Slaf scoring skills. We don't know how Laine will come back and if he'll stick around. And we don't even know if Dach is a C or a winger. So those 3 are question marks. Facts. And I have some questions too.

Mmmm k..cause I didn't say you said any of that either. But thanks for memo I guess.

Am I happy about anything? Yeah...the Demidov pick for starters. The Hage pick. Caufield. Suzuki. Hutson. I guess you are not around when I talk about them or you just decide to not see it.

Yet here you are in a Demidov thread, worrying about who Demidov is going to be able to rack up points with because Josh Anderson couldn't score 20 goals playing with Nick Suzuki last year (for a portion of the year).

That's happy?

The question I have if who when he'll be here will be able to convert him. NOT he will NEVER HAVE ANYBODY TO CONVERT WITH HIM. What it means is that in my opinion, if you stick Suzuki, Caufield and Slaf together, the best chance we have at having a goalscorer for his insane vision, is somebody who is STILL not picked yet. So yeah, if this summer we pick Martone, and next year we pick McKennan, yeah, chances are that won't be a problem....

in the meantime, the only thing we have right now: Dach, Laine, Slaf are question marks.

Even Demidov is a question mark...so i'm just not sure i'm getting your point other than you just being an alarmist.

As far as acting like nothing can change/evolve...that's just funny. There are a few teams in this league who haven't change or evolve in 20 years. And we haven't been a true serious contending team for 20 years now despite the flukes we had over the years. So if you don't mind, I,ll wait for a couple of great years in a row before acknowledging we are evolving. It's one thing to evolve on paper. It's on the ice that counts the most.

I didn't speak about the team evolving, we were talking about individual players.

So maybe I have "a hard time" with people responding to my posts, because as you just demonstrate, they deviate into other shit that's completely irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

As for the rest of your point, you can wait or not wait...doesn't change anything. For all you know Emil Heineman is a 25 goal scorer in 2-3 years from now. Or the Patrik Laine is a 40+ goal scorer, or Demidov is a total bust.

But I suppose if you wanna bite your nails until then, that's also your prerogative.

"We never draft high end prospects"

Team drafts high end prospect

"we don't have anyone to play him with"

Is this a real thing? lol

If Nick Suzuki found a way to score 77 points last year on THIS team...i'm fairly confident Demidov will find a way to rack up some points too.

 

[Whitesnake]

Oilers f***d up the first top 5 of the draft repeatedly...somehow Zach Hyman scored a gazillion goals last year. Great players make others better. I know you know this, not sure why i've got to explain this to you

I don't have a hard time with anyone responding to my points. You made a comment, I responded, you responded and here we are. Your Anderson/Suzuki point and your link to Demidov make no sense though. Is Demidov going to be playing with Anderson? What's one got to do with another?

I didn't speak about the team evolving, we were talking about individual players. So maybe I have "a hard time" with people responding to my posts, because as you just demonstrate, they deviate into other shit that's completely irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

As for the rest of your point, you can wait or not wait...doesn't change anything. For all you know Emil Heineman is a 25 goal scorer in 2-3 years from now. Or the Patrik Laine is a 40+ goal scorer, or Demidov is a total bust.

But I suppose if you wanna bite your nails until then, that's also your prerogative. "We never draft high end prospects". Team drafts high end prospect. "we don't have anyone to play him with"

Is this a real thing? lol

Deviating into shit that's irrelevalnt...you mean like comparing our situation to Hyman benefitting from Conor freakin McDavid? lol. by the way, how's Hyman this year? My pool tells you he sucks balls and I got fooled by an accidental year....

by the way, again, I'm talking the Habs. And what we will most likely have NEXT YEAR when Demidov comes in. Your response what not about Demidov it was about great players benefit other players. A general comment. To that general comment I answered by a specific example of Anderson not benefitting from Suzuki so that I don't entirely believe in that point of view of yours.

And yes, it's a real thing to not surround your great players with other great players. You should know it. WE had the best goalie in the world and still wasn't a contending team.

Demidov is great but will need great playres on his line. Not even sure how it's a controversial opinion...lolll