Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

[CHfan1]

Im sure they loved Sennecke alot of teams did but they simply do not pick from Russia look at it if they did its probably later picks Mintyukov was the exeption because he was already playing in NA im sure they would of picked Levshunov ahead of Sennecke this year for the same reason and also need RD

From The Hockey News a few months ago:

“Five years ago, I would have said not at all,’ Ducks Assistant General Manager and Director of Amateur Scouting Martin Madden stated when asked about the comfort level of the team selecting Russian players in the draft. ‘But we did have to go through a few drafts where we basically drafted off of video ninety-five percent. You get one live look at a player and you still have to assess off of 10, 20, 25 live video viewings. By now, we are comfortable with the process."

The Ducks like big players, period, probably more than they "dislike" Russians playing in Russia. But I could be wrong.

As alluded to in The Hockey News article I think it’s more of a factor of teams having scouts getting to see players play live instead of watching on video, especially when picking high.

I think it helped Montreal that Bobrov was able to get over to Russia to get to see Demidov play. I’m not sure other teams had that luxury.

 

[JIMVINNY]

Michkov first rank?

Demidov got more first place votes though. I think it's likely that a few voters who are also Michkov fanboys tanked Demidov by not even placing him in the top 3.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Can we start to call him a bust?

Been calling him a bust for 3 years now. You guys are way too patient.

 

[overlords]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1821523155720007868

He didn’t even get in to play the scrimmage?
That’s it! Bring him home

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

As alluded to in The Hockey News article I think it’s more of a factor of teams having scouts getting to see players play live instead of watching on video, especially when picking high.

I think it helped Montreal that Bobrov was able to get over to Russia to get to see Demidov play. I’m not sure other teams had that luxury.

100% agree its been said already that scouts prefer to see people live because of the smaller details during the game and they coudlnt do that with Michkov and Demidov

Michkov never drops to 7 if he played in the CHL probably the same with Demidov

 

[Redux91]

Jokes aside, what would even make Arthur this mad

 

[overlords]

Jokes aside, what would even make Arthur this mad

He punches DW in her stupid arm, deservedly. This is the episode on dealing with justifiable anger towards shitty people.




Arthur did nothing wrong

 

[The Last Red]

Michkov never drops to 7 if he played in the CHL probably the same with Demidov

Maybe, maybe not. It's not like no one ever saw him play live before, he'd been on the radar of NHL teams for a while. The top 4 picks last year were projected 1C's (of varying degree and quality), we drafted a possible top-pairing right D, and he made it clear that he was not going to play for Arizona, and it appears that Arizona wanted a D anyway. And then there were questions regarding his ability to mesh with teammates, his father's "mysterious" death, and his contract with SKA. We'll obviously never know for sure why he fell to 7 but to me, at least, it seems like there were a multitude of factors at play. Same with Demidov, just fewer (Chicago, like us, seems to have wanted a potential top-pairing right D, Columbus wanted a big, strong 2C to go with Fantili at 1C, and Anaheim is just . . . Anaheim, they make weird picks at times).

 

[Kents polished head]

Wasn't he supposed to be "almost recovered" on draft day?

What is even the deal with his ankle?

 

[Skip Bayless]

He punches DW in her stupid arm, deservedly. This is the episode on dealing with justifiable anger towards shitty people.




Arthur did nothing wrong

Arthur = Pro-tank crew

DW = Anti-tank crew

 

[morhilane]

Wasn't he supposed to be "almost recovered" on draft day?

What is even the deal with his ankle?

He was 2 weeks out from "recovered" on draft day, but looks like his doc had him wait about two more weeks before allowing him to put skates on.

He's doing full practices at SKA training camp now.

 

[Toene]

Maybe, maybe not. It's not like no one ever saw him play live before, he'd been on the radar of NHL teams for a while. The top 4 picks last year were projected 1C's (of varying degree and quality), we drafted a possible top-pairing right D, and he made it clear that he was not going to play for Arizona, and it appears that Arizona wanted a D anyway. And then there were questions regarding his ability to mesh with teammates, his father's "mysterious" death, and his contract with SKA. We'll obviously never know for sure why he fell to 7 but to me, at least, it seems like there were a multitude of factors at play. Same with Demidov, just fewer (Chicago, like us, seems to have wanted a potential top-pairing right D, Columbus wanted a big, strong 2C to go with Fantili at 1C, and Anaheim is just . . . Anaheim, they make weird picks at times).

Anaheim gambled on Sennecke, if everything goes right, could be a 6'4 highlight reel machine. They already have a nice prospect pool, not that crazy to swing for the fences. If Demidov was gone at 5 and Sennecke was available and the Habs selected him, I would've been pretty excited with the pick.

 

[KevSkillz4]

People say MHL is a bad league, but when you combined the stats of 15-16 years old season of Michkov and Demidov:

After 69 games, 29 goals, 56 assists, 85 pts, 1,23ppg for Ivan Demidov.

After 84 games, 68 goals, 39 assists, 107 pts, 1,27ppg for Matvei Michkov.

Demidov at 17 years old at MHL can't be compared to Michkov, because Michkov have been in KHL. But 2ppg in 30 games and 2,5ppg in his 19 last games, put a sequence of 3ppg in 7 games aswell, that's a huge step for his 15-16 years old season.

So yeah, MHL isn't bad like people think.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Is he getting into the scrimmage games? What’s happening there?

 

[salbutera]

Is he getting into the scrimmage games? What’s happening there?

I believe he didn’t play today

 

[Naslund]

Iginla>Demidov

 

[ReHabs]

Iginla>Demidov

Thank you for your contribution.

 

[Rob Sense]

Demidov got more first place votes though. I think it's likely that a few voters who are also Michkov fanboys tanked Demidov by not even placing him in the top 3.

TBH some did the same thing to Michkov by not having him in top 3.

 

[morhilane]

People say MHL is a bad league, but when you combined the stats of 15-16 years old season of Michkov and Demidov:

After 69 games, 29 goals, 56 assists, 85 pts, 1,23ppg for Ivan Demidov.

After 84 games, 68 goals, 39 assists, 107 pts, 1,27ppg for Matvei Michkov.

Demidov at 17 years old at MHL can't be compared to Michkov, because Michkov have been in KHL. But 2ppg in 30 games and 2,5ppg in his 19 last games, put a sequence of 3ppg in 7 games aswell, that's a huge step for his 15-16 years old season.

So yeah, MHL isn't bad like people think.

The MHL is a bad league the same way the QMJHL is a bad league, but unlike the Q which is trending down, the MHL was trending up since the CHL important draft blocked taking Russians (until 2024 where they reverted that because everyone in hockey seems to think the Ukraine/Russia war isn't a think anymore, but I don't know if any was taken).

 

[KevSkillz4]

The MHL is a bad league the same way the QMJHL is a bad league, but unlike the Q which is trending down, the MHL was trending up since the CHL important draft blocked taking Russians (until 2024 where they reverted that because everyone in hockey seems to think the Ukraine/Russia war isn't a think anymore, but I don't know if any was taken).

Just the fact that in MHL playoffs (better teams are there), Demidov play against teams who can compete against best teams in OHL.

MHL have divisions that some great teams are there and really bad teams (more easy to put points), but if we focus on Demidov against great teams, he play really really well aswell.

My point it's Michkov stats and Demidov stats in their 15-16 old seasons in MHL, are close. So when top prospects like them are considering #2 best pure talent in their respective draft, we can see MHL close to USHL, because the stats they are putting in MHL, are close to stats of top prospects like Jack Hughes in USHL at 16 years and 17 years old.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

The MHL is a bad league the same way the QMJHL is a bad league, but unlike the Q which is trending down, the MHL was trending up since the CHL important draft blocked taking Russians (until 2024 where they reverted that because everyone in hockey seems to think the Ukraine/Russia war isn't a think anymore, but I don't know if any was taken).

The CHL is unarguably a better league than the MHL. The Q is the weakest league in the CHL but it is very likely better than the MHL as the MHL loses many of it's top prospects to the CHL and USHL as well as the VHL.

Leaving Demidov in the MHL was a scumbag move by SKA but I think he will fine, especially if he joins SKA and they actually play him or if they allow him to go to NA as they did with Michkov.

 

[Redux91]

CHL better than MHL sure

But I'll never believe the Junior league of a hockey crazy province of 9 million is better than the Junior league of a Hockey crazy Country of 150 Million. No

 

[KevSkillz4]

One thing for sure, MHL is more closer to USHL than BCHL. MHL is a better league than BCHL.

The top teams in MHL can compete against the best OHL teams. Easy.

 

[Jack Skellington]

CHL better than MHL sure

But I'll never believe the Junior league of a hockey crazy province of 9 million is better than the Junior league of a Hockey crazy Country of 150 Million. No

Lots of the good players in the CHL aren't even from the province they're playing in. In fact there's plenty of highly ranked Europeans. There are a lot of different league options for young Russian players, which is why there are very very few highly drafted players out of the MHL. Alot of the really good ones end up playing barely any minutes for a KHL team. I do think the MHL is fine as a league though and not a massive gap from the OHL or WHL.

Sometimes half or more of the 1st round will be from the CHL and this year 9 from the OHL alone. There are also plenty of very good CHLers stuck playing there until they're 19 or 20 because of stupid hockey Canada rules that keep them out of the AHL.

I think Demidov would have destroyed the CHL last season and challenged for 1st overall. Especially if he was able to play international tournaments, which is where a lot of the best Russian prospects have been able to make their case in the past.

 

[Redux91]

Lots of the good players in the CHL aren't even from the province they're playing in. In fact there's plenty of highly ranked Europeans. There are a lot of different league options for young Russian players, which is why there are very very few highly drafted players out of the MHL. Alot of the really good ones end up playing barely any minutes for a KHL team.

Sometimes half or more of the 1st round will be from the CHL and this year 9 from the OHL alone. There are also plenty of very good CHLers stuck playing there until they're 19 or 20 because of stupid hockey Canada rules that keep them out of the AHL.

And that's all fine and everything, good point

Still think 'Russian Hockey' is being criminally underrated rn because of 'Reasons'.