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Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

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Genuinely curious how he was perceived by the scouting staffs of the teams ahead of the Habs and if there are yellow or red flags they picked up which we, as fans anyway, are ignoring.

The fact he played in the MHL is probably held against him but what else?

He seems like he has it all, is my point.

Ahead of him went Celebrini, Levshunov (RD), Sennecke, and Lindstrom. Boy I wish we could access old scouting reports.
 
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I was talking to my father in law last week. He's not a scout, or hockey executive. He's just a fan of hockey like all of us. He's Russian, and he's been watching Russian hockey for many years.

I first asked him who he thought was better Michkov or Demidov. He said "Both are incredibly talented players. But if I had to choose one, I'd pick Demidov".
When I asked why, he said. "Demidov is the more complete player. Michkov may score more points. But in an important game, I'd rather have Demidov. His compete level is nothing like I've seen for many years".

When I asked him which current or former Russian player, was a good comparison to Demidov he replied. "He has some characteristics that remind me of Valeri Kharlamov"
For those of you too young to remember Kharlamov. I'd suggest you look him up on Youtube. He's considered to be one of top Russian born players of all time.

It's possible that the old guy had a few too many vodka shots. But I'm going to check out old clips of Kharlamov. To see if I see any similarities.
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Let’s hope he avoids the next Bobby Clarke
 
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ReHabs said:
Genuinely curious how he was perceived by the scouting staffs of the teams ahead of the Habs and if there are yellow or red flags they picked up which we, as fans anyway, are ignoring.

The fact he played in the MHL is probably held against him but what else?

He seems like he has it all, is my point.

Ahead of him went Celebrini, Levshunov (RD), Sennecke, and Lindstrom. Boy I wish we could access old scouting reports.
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Good question. We can only go on word of mouth and logical deduction, and the former is scattered at this point.

I think it comes down to risk, perceived as it may be. MHL is one factor, general low visibility is another. Him being a winger, not being 6'3" also added to the pile.

I would not be surprised if we found out down the line that Davidson wanted Demidov with the Chicago pick, but ultimately relented to the room.
 
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I would not be surprised if we found out down the line that Davidson wanted Demidov with the Chicago pick, but ultimately relented to the room.
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Chicago probably had the same problem we did in 2023. The sexy forward or the very reliable RD? In both cases the RD won out. Levshunov also oozes leadership and steadiness, he seems like he's going to be a mature presence for the young Blackhawks. I'm curious what CHI, ANA, and CBJ's scouting profile had to say about Demidov.
 
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26Mats said:
Has the Habs 2024 behind the scene draft video been released yet? If not, I wonder why not.
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Editing. They don’t want us to see them raving about Demidov for 1h to shelter the kid from pressure
 
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ReHabs said:
Genuinely curious how he was perceived by the scouting staffs of the teams ahead of the Habs and if there are yellow or red flags they picked up which we, as fans anyway, are ignoring.

The fact he played in the MHL is probably held against him but what else?

He seems like he has it all, is my point.

Ahead of him went Celebrini, Levshunov (RD), Sennecke, and Lindstrom. Boy I wish we could access old scouting reports.
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I think their scouting report is going to be similar to whatever ours is. We have a little more knowledge because of Bobrov, therefore a little more certainty in our projection. Someone else said it, but sometimes these decisions simply come down to team needs/preferences over overall BPA. My thought is that teams probably rank players in tiers in addition to their top choices. The tiers are probably who they realistically see drafting at a certain spot (available) and the rankings who their preference of that tier. Demidov was probably in all of their tiers and was a realistic consideration.

Chicago likely took Lev for the myriad of reasons explained above. RD...etc etc.
Anaheim were enticed by the size and development curve of Sennecke. They probably see an impact player.
Columbus wanted a centremen. The shore up their depth down the middle with Lindstrom being added to Fantilli.
 
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ReHabs said:
Genuinely curious how he was perceived by the scouting staffs of the teams ahead of the Habs and if there are yellow or red flags they picked up which we, as fans anyway, are ignoring.

The fact he played in the MHL is probably held against him but what else?

He seems like he has it all, is my point.

Ahead of him went Celebrini, Levshunov (RD), Sennecke, and Lindstrom. Boy I wish we could access old scouting reports.
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RD's and Centers are the two most important positions in the game we picked Reinbacher over Michkov last year like CHI took Levshunov over Demidov this year

Anaheim simply dont take russians that being said Sennecke looks like someone with a huge ceilling some may think ANA reached but im sure alot of teams had him in the top 10

Columbus picked the big 6"4 strong physical center im sure some teams had him over Demidov simply because of his size and position Jackets will be set in the middle for the next few years

Talent wise Demidov was #2 no questions but GMs will always value size and position plus the russian factor,limited views on him and the weak league he was in
 

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He’s still Russian. I think they just love Sennecke and his profile. I’m glad they do, BTW. We desperately need a player like Demidov. Hopefully he’ll live up to the hype.
 

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The Last Red said:
That must be news to Pavel Mintyukov, taken 10th overall by the Ducks two years ago . . . by their current management team.
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Anahiem doesn't take Russians playing in Russia. They took 2 over the last 10 years, in something like the 5th and 7th round if I remember properly.
 
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He’s still Russian. I think they just love Sennecke and his profile. I’m glad they do, BTW. We desperately need a player like Demidov. Hopefully he’ll live up to the hype.
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Im sure they loved Sennecke alot of teams did but they simply do not pick from Russia look at it if they did its probably later picks Mintyukov was the exeption because he was already playing in NA im sure they would of picked Levshunov ahead of Sennecke this year for the same reason and also need RD
 
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No way for us to know if he’s not playing because of « SKA treatment » or if he’s still injured right?
 

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From The Hockey News a few months ago:

“Five years ago, I would have said not at all,’ Ducks Assistant General Manager and Director of Amateur Scouting Martin Madden stated when asked about the comfort level of the team selecting Russian players in the draft. ‘But we did have to go through a few drafts where we basically drafted off of video ninety-five percent. You get one live look at a player and you still have to assess off of 10, 20, 25 live video viewings. By now, we are comfortable with the process."

The Ducks like big players, period, probably more than they "dislike" Russians playing in Russia. But I could be wrong.
 
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