2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[mize370]

Tippett Cates hathaway. 1st line torts' pets. problems solved. So many goals. we would shatter record books.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

All this arguing in here but at least we can all agree on 1 thing. How much better this team would be if Briere got the Sanheim for Krug deal thru.

The tank would be in a much better position

 

[freakydallas13]

They will always try to have a Deslauries.

Briere admitted as such essentially saying you have to know the market you are in as well.

Again, these mistakes can be overcome. If you’ve got say a few top end guys to carry the trash.

Travis Konecny, Michkov, and Frondell aren’t going to do that. But we will be upset at them when they go up against the best players from the real top tier clubs, and fail.

Richards, and Carter would know that story well.

Are the authentic fans really ready to get the pitchforks out if the Flyers don't have someone like Deslauriers on the roster?

If so, they deserve this miserable team.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Nobody has claimed this.




"End of lineup fill-ins" add up. Everything adds up. In a cap-enforced age of parity, efficiencies add up and make or break teams. The Flyers are deeply inefficient.

Wins and Losses tell you nothing about how a player is playing, or the impact that he makes on a roster. Konecny has more losses than Jesper Boqvist. According to your reasoning, this means that Boqvist is better than TK because he has more wins. You agree that Boqvist is better, I assume. Otherwise you have no faith in your own appraisal methods.

I'll just sit back and wait for you to retract this, because it's too much of a logical error for me to assume you meant it.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Are the authentic fans really ready to get the pitchforks out if the Flyers don't have someone like Deslauriers on the roster?

If so, they deserve this miserable team.

They absolutely will. A good bit of them believe that the team hasn't been good lately because they're soft.

I always love shooting the shit with my STH rep about what he's hearing from other STH's. It's always interesting.

 

[trostol]

To review, throwing away 6 Minutes/night this year and 8 Minutes/night last year at 5v5 does not matter at all. But if a young player is playing 90 seconds less per game, it is a completely unworkable situation in which you will stunt his growth and possibly dishonor his family for four generations.

Dishonor family..never

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'll just sit back and wait for you to retract this, because it's too much of a logical error for me to assume you meant it.

Why do I have to retract anything? It's your assessment method. You used to argue that wins are all that matters. Whoever wins more is better. You're doing it again. You think this method doesn't work now?


You think that Cates is superior to Konecny. He wins more than Konecny. This is your argument. This is what your method shows. You agree, right? You must, since you insist this is ideal player appraisal.

Cates: 7w, 8L, .875 win rate
TK: 8w, 11L, .727 win rate

 

[FlyerNutter]

Are the authentic fans really ready to get the pitchforks out if the Flyers don't have someone like Deslauriers on the roster?

If so, they deserve this miserable team.

It feels nice to not care as much. It’s slowly happened. From listening as a young buck on NHL radio because I couldn’t find a stream. To watching essentially every game for years. Now?

Haven’t seen them outside of short glimpses this year, and can say maybe handful of times last season.

Do I want them to figure it out? Sure. At this point though it’s kind of like an ex wife you low key enjoying knowing they are doing shitty.

I don’t see them figuring it out. Just look who was brought in this summer to go along with Jones, and gang. This is going to be incestous forever.

If they can’t spend their way into contention, which in a cap era they can’t… they are doomed. The Flyers have never caught on to the “new NHL” post cap.

f*** ‘em

 

[GapToothedWonder]

The Child was a terrible sleeper. She made sure to hit every single sleep regression. BTW, I think the whole "sleep regression" concept is BS that people came up with to feel better about their kid not sleeping; divert the blame off the parents to the kid. Which is valid. It is the kid's fault. Go the f*** to sleep lol.

New Child on our end slept through the night as a newborn and has never stopped. Beefette has had to give up and hand her over to me for the night shift maybe five times in over a year? Six? Compared to every single night with The Child. We did nothing to cause this. We won the lottery the second time. Pure luck.

Getting a good sleeper is 100% luck. You can screw up a good sleeper by having bad habits as a parent, but nothing as a parent can turn a bad sleeper into a good sleeper.

We have very lucky that both of ours have been good.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Are the authentic fans really ready to get the pitchforks out if the Flyers don't have someone like Deslauriers on the roster?

If so, they deserve this miserable team.

have you been on social media..

the mouthbreathers want MORE shittrucks...just 1 isnt enuf

 

[Lord Defect]

Delo has no impact on anything, just a stalking horse for the discontented.

The problem is at center and goalie, and get the defense healthy.
Center can't be fixed as long as Frost has his head up his ass, and even then, they still need help.
Get York and Andrae back and you have the makings of a decent defense.
Ersson, Fedotov, and Kolosov, who knows?

Lycksell or Richard as the 12th forward, who cares?

The problems is the organization, the people in it and the decisions they make. Delo is not the problem, he’s the consequence

 

[Lord Defect]

Are the flyers still running the slowest power play in the league?
Pass. Settle the puck. Stick handle for a second. Pass to the nearest player. Settle the puck. Stick handle for a second. Pass back to the other player. Settle the puck. Stick handle. Pass to the point. Settle the puck. Stick handle. Pass back to the second player to touch the puck. Eventually get maybe three shots on net.

 

[deadhead]

Well, Sanheim ain't a PP QB. But we knew that.
It's not his style of play, to patiently wait at the blue line.

You wanted a rebuild, you got a rebuild.
This is what young, inexperienced teams look like.
And it's going to be the same for two more years.

Even if they wanted to tank, it's unlikely they could get into the top 5 without totally stripping the roster. The bad teams are really bad.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Well, Sanheim ain't a PP QB. But we knew that.
It's not his style of play, to patiently wait at the blue line.

You wanted a rebuild, you got a rebuild.
This is what young, inexperienced teams look like.
And it's going to be the same for two more years.

Even if they wanted to tank, it's unlikely they could get into the top 5 without totally stripping the roster. The bad teams are really bad.

We have not.

We are not even a year removed from them buying at the deadline.

 

[Appleyard]

I wish when people remembered the Bullies they remembered the:

Team built around the draft (9/20 players drafted, including 1C, 1D and best winger): At a time when NHL teams in general kind of half-assed the draft...
Team who built around their drafted core by exploiting market inefficiencies...
Super innovative front office and coaching staff
4 line, 3 pairing team who were the deepest team in the league with ELEVEN forwards who had managed 20 goal seasons

Because that is how they won, not by having half a team of roll players and being tougher than everyone...

They were probably the deepest team in the league, built like the Panthers last season in a lot of ways, who also had crazy top-end talent including one of the best C's in history, a 1C at 2C, a HHoF winger, one of the best scorers of his generation, and FOUR top pairing Dmen... alongside one of the best ~5 goalies in history at his peak.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Bought the game, and haven't had a chance to play it, the baby doesn't allow me any damn time any more, and her mother has ppd so bad she can't even be near her, so that's not an option either lol


Holmgren is apart of every single draft and scouting meeting, just fyi

Bro i feel you. My girlfriend got mental ill after the birth of our child. I lost my social life and a lot more! I wish you the Power to go through this times!

 

[deadhead]

I wish when people remembered the Bullies they remembered the:

Team built around the draft (9/20 players drafted, including 1C, 1D and best winger): At a time when NHL teams in general kind of half-assed the draft...
Team who built around their drafted core by exploiting market inefficiencies...
Super innovative front office and coaching staff
4 line, 3 pairing team who were the deepest team in the league with ELEVEN forwards who had managed 20 goal seasons

Because that is how they won, not by having half a team of roll players and being tougher than everyone...

They were probably the deepest team in the league, built like the Panthers last season in a lot of ways, who also had crazy top-end talent including one of the best C's in history, a 1C at 2C, a HHoF winger, one of the best scorers of his generation, and FOUR top pairing Dmen... alongside one of the best ~5 goalies in history at his peak.

Hard to compare. There were so few teams and drafting was more throw darts that you could quickly build a team - you saw a lot more good players taken in later rounds.

 

[Appleyard]

Hard to compare. There were so few teams and drafting was more throw darts that you could quickly build a team - you saw a lot more good players taken in later rounds.

100%. But the Flyers were ahead of the curve and that is impossible to argue with. Both with drafting (big focus on it when some of the O6 teams just mailed it in on guys in their area) and acquisitions at the time. As well as coaching ofc!

 

[Cody Webster]

Well, Sanheim ain't a PP QB. But we knew that.
It's not his style of play, to patiently wait at the blue line.

You wanted a rebuild, you got a rebuild.
This is what young, inexperienced teams look like.
And it's going to be the same for two more years.

Even if they wanted to tank, it's unlikely they could get into the top 5 without totally stripping the roster. The bad teams are really bad.

Who have they traded away that kick started the rebuild? I must have missed that

Just because half the players they have on their roster suck, doesn't mean it's a rebuild

 

[deadhead]

Who have they traded away that kick started the rebuild? I must have missed that

Just because half the players they have on their roster suck, doesn't mean it's a rebuild

Tried to trade Sanheim for a 1st plus (Krug was a salary dump).

Traded Provorov.

Who else was there?

Could have traded TK, but he's a legitimate 1st line forward, you'd have gotten a Giroux type deal if you traded him last summer (late 1st, "B+" prospect, other asset). Would that have been worth it?

Couts was unmovable, Seeler and Hathaway had limited value (3rd/4th rd picks).
Risto probably gets moved at the TDL or next summer, contract limits return.
The only missed opportunity was Laughton, and I think he'll be moved at the TDL or summer.

That's it. They didn't have a lot of 30+ starters with expiring contracts like the Rangers a few years ago. They had Hayes, TDA, Atkinson, JVR. Traded McEwen, Brown for picks.

Right now they're evaluating the young players Briere inherited.
I think there will be some moves by this summer.
Reshaping the roster to fit their philosophy, faster, high motor play drivers.
Also depends how LVH players develop, as we've seen with Andrae and Grans, if you take advantage of your opportunities, good things can happen.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Risto is never getting moved. Seeler's value was at a peak and teams were interested in paying a fortune for the Walker-Seeler pair. Refusal to trade Laughton. Refusal to trade Hathaway, extended him instead.

Didn't want to trade Walker and only reluctantly did so when they couldn't afford him.

Sanheim wasn't being traded because it was a rebuild, he was being traded to appease the coach's ego.

The amount of revisionist history required to believe this team is doing a thing they blatantly aren't doing could fill an entire encyclopedia set. That's the amount of convoluted fantasy and nonsense that has to be dreamed up to twist and hide plain straightforward facts.

 

[Cody Webster]

Tried to trade Sanheim for a 1st plus (Krug was a salary dump).

Traded Provorov.

Who else was there?

Could have traded TK, but he's a legitimate 1st line forward, you'd have gotten a Giroux type deal if you traded him last summer (late 1st, "B+" prospect, other asset). Would that have been worth it?

Couts was unmovable, Seeler and Hathaway had limited value (3rd/4th rd picks).
Risto probably gets moved at the TDL or next summer, contract limits return.
The only missed opportunity was Laughton, and I think he'll be moved at the TDL or summer.

That's it. They didn't have a lot of 30+ starters with expiring contracts like the Rangers a few years ago. They had Hayes, TDA, Atkinson, JVR. Traded McEwen, Brown for picks.

Right now they're evaluating the young players Briere inherited.
I think there will be some moves by this summer.
Reshaping the roster to fit their philosophy, faster, high motor play drivers.
Also depends how LVH players develop, as we've seen with Andrae and Grans, if you take advantage of your opportunities, good things can happen.

I did a quick look, so perhaps I missed it, but I don't see it mentioned anywhere that 1st was coming back with Krug. Regardless, that would have gone down as one of the worst trades in franchise history.

They could have traded Laughton 15 times over if they wanted to.

It's not a good sign when you are attempting a "rebuild" and you have no pieces to move during said "rebuild." 3 years away from being 3 years away for the last 15 years

 

[Kelmitchell2]

They are convinced that you can build depth without talent, despite that being fundamentally against the very definition of depth.

Nobody can say their ideas aren't unique

I'm not looking for the best players, I'm looking for the right ones ; Herb Brooks, it appears teams still think they can do well with that thought process, under dogs don't win as much as they'd like to think lol

 

[deadhead]

Risto is never getting moved. Seeler's value was at a peak and teams were interested in paying a fortune for the Walker-Seeler pair. Refusal to trade Laughton. Refusal to trade Hathaway, extended him instead.

Didn't want to trade Walker and only reluctantly did so when they couldn't afford him.

Sanheim wasn't being traded because it was a rebuild, he was being traded to appease the coach's ego.

The amount of revisionist history required to believe this team is doing a thing they blatantly aren't doing could fill an entire encyclopedia set. That's the amount of convoluted fantasy and nonsense that has to be dreamed up to twist and hide plain straightforward facts.

What fortune? They could have gotten a 1st for Walker - Seeler, instead they got a 1st for Walker and a salary dump (worth a 3rd, about equivalent to Seeler).

What do you think they would have gotten for Hathaway? A late 3rd? 4th?

Sanheim was being traded b/c Briere didn't know if he wanted that salary (8yrs) going into a rebuild, and wanted to stockpile 1st rd picks.

Briere didn't "blow it up" because blowing it up meant trading a 26 year old forward (TK) a 24 year old center (Frost) and a 23 year old forward (Farabee). Do that and you're looking at a 7 year rebuild since you've just moved your best young players for a bunch of late rd 1sts.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

By not doing it they're looking at a seven plus year "rebuild."