2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[Beef Invictus]

"I don't think it's major" is a known path to having Dante's Inferno lines next to your name in GDTs. Ominous until proven healthy

 

[Hextallent63]

Smartest guys in the room

That is your assumption, certainly not mine.

 

[ponder719]

"I don't think it's major" is a known path to having Dante's Inferno lines next to your name in GDTs. Ominous until proven healthy

To be fair, no injury is major with this team, because no one player can materially change this ride to hell we're on, save Michkov.

 

[MrGuyPerson]

Players who lack the fire rarely reach their potential, see Sam Gagner, for example.

I agree if they don't have the fire it is tough to find it in them, but he is still a kid and kids aren't exactly finished products. Is Foerster done growing? He only had 30 points last year so this org better hope not, but they were drafted the same year. The reality is that even with Michkov this team is still pretty low on high end talent in general. And Reichel has a lot of talent. Assuming the ask is low, why wouldn't they take a shot? At worst he trends down with you instead of Chicago and you pay very little to aquire him. At best your exactly what his development needs(because he is still developing) and you add high end talent that ends up among the top of the lineup.

I am genuinely not sure how a team with the flyer's current roster can justify saying "no thanks" if an offer was there. The hawks are probably gonna draft real high again this year, so I get why they would be down to move on, but the flyers? If not a trade like this, how do they add young talent with potential? Hope? The fact is right now they are trending towards the isles/wild roster construction. They need high end young talent. It is usually acquired via the draft, but the likely hood of finding stars where they will be picking isn't exactly high. Luchanko looks good, but no one knows if "star" is actually in the cards for him yet(as of now I would still guess possible top 6er actually)

If this "culture" they are developing is as advertised, there is a real possibility it is exactly what his development needs. I can't understand them saying "Nah, we have michkov and a bunch of mid, we're good"

 

[CerpinTaxt]

I agree if they don't have the fire it is tough to find it in them, but he is still a kid and kids aren't exactly finished products. Is Foerster done growing? He only had 30 points last year so this org better hope not, but they were drafted the same year. The reality is that even with Michkov this team is still pretty low on high end talent in general. And Reichel has a lot of talent. Assuming the ask is low, why wouldn't they take a shot? At worst he trends down with you instead of Chicago and you pay very little to aquire him. At best your exactly what his development needs(because he is still developing) and you add high end talent that ends up among the top of the lineup.

I am genuinely not sure how a team with the flyer's current roster can justify saying "no thanks" if an offer was there. The hawks are probably gonna draft real high again this year, so I get why they would be down to move on, but the flyers? If not a trade like this, how do they add young talent with potential? Hope? The fact is right now they are trending towards the isles/wild roster construction. They need high end young talent. It is usually acquired via the draft, but the likely hood of finding stars where they will be picking isn't exactly high. Luchanko looks good, but no one knows if "star" is actually in the cards for him yet(as of now I would still guess possible top 6er actually)

If this "culture" they are developing is as advertised, there is a real possibility it is exactly what his development needs. I can't understand them saying "Nah, we have michkov and a bunch of mid, we're good"

Unfortunately it appears that this is how they seem to be operating. We will know for sure what they think next draft with 3 1st rd picks

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Supposedly the puck hit Seeler on the peroneal nerve.

I had a pinched peroneal nerve last year, & it caused foot numbness & “drop foot,” where I couldn’t even lift my toes on that foot from off the ground.

Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what he’s dealing with. I tried skating once with it, nearly 4 months after it happened, & forget it. Just didn’t work.

It’s fine now, but apparently it can be a crapshoot with how long it takes for a pinched peroneal nerve to heal.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Supposedly the puck hit Seeler on the peroneal nerve.

I had a pinched peroneal nerve last year, & it caused foot numbness & “drop foot,” where I couldn’t even lift my toes on that foot from off the ground.

Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what he’s dealing with. I tried skating once with it, nearly 4 months after it happened, & forget it. Just didn’t work.

It’s fine now, but apparently it can be a crapshoot with how long it takes for a pinched peroneal nerve to heal.

I was joking about an Ellis situation but uhhhhhh

 

[deadhead]

I agree if they don't have the fire it is tough to find it in them, but he is still a kid and kids aren't exactly finished products. Is Foerster done growing? He only had 30 points last year so this org better hope not, but they were drafted the same year. The reality is that even with Michkov this team is still pretty low on high end talent in general. And Reichel has a lot of talent. Assuming the ask is low, why wouldn't they take a shot? At worst he trends down with you instead of Chicago and you pay very little to aquire him. At best your exactly what his development needs(because he is still developing) and you add high end talent that ends up among the top of the lineup.

I am genuinely not sure how a team with the flyer's current roster can justify saying "no thanks" if an offer was there. The hawks are probably gonna draft real high again this year, so I get why they would be down to move on, but the flyers? If not a trade like this, how do they add young talent with potential? Hope? The fact is right now they are trending towards the isles/wild roster construction. They need high end young talent. It is usually acquired via the draft, but the likely hood of finding stars where they will be picking isn't exactly high. Luchanko looks good, but no one knows if "star" is actually in the cards for him yet(as of now I would still guess possible top 6er actually)

If this "culture" they are developing is as advertised, there is a real possibility it is exactly what his development needs. I can't understand them saying "Nah, we have michkov and a bunch of mid, we're good"

The difference with Foerster is upside.
As a rookie he was elite defensively, played in all situations, showed really good board skills, and has a plus shot.
You don't have to worry about his work ethic, hockey IQ or motor.

This matters for development, but also for that 2nd/3rd contract, a lot of players will bear down when contemplating their next contract, then slough off once they're paid (wine, women and song). One key to team building is to identify the players motivated by competition, not money. The ones who hate to lose.

One reason why Michkov may be special, he's not just talented, but from all reports has that fire in the belly. Which is why I think he'll have zero problem with Torts. Players who want to win like to be pushed.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Seeler gonna have a tough year. Make that ext look bad.

The difference with Foerster is upside.
As a rookie he was elite defensively, played in all situations, showed really good board skills, and has a plus shot.
You don't have to worry about his work ethic, hockey IQ or motor.

This matters for development, but also for that 2nd/3rd contract, a lot of players will bear down when contemplating their next contract, then slough off once they're paid (wine, women and song). One key to team building is to identify the players motivated by competition, not money. The ones who hate to lose.

One reason why Michkov may be special, he's not just talented, but from all reports has that fire in the belly. Which is why I think he'll have zero problem with Torts. Players who want to win like to be pushed.

you throw that word elite around a lot when it comes to the Flyers.

 

[deadhead]

Seeler gonna have a tough year. Make that ext look bad.


you throw that word elite around a lot when it comes to the Flyers.

When you're 99% according to metrics on aspect of play, yeah, that's "elite."
Doesn't mean you're an elite player, that's a different matter.
But be among the 1% of the best in anything you do, is pretty impressive.
(384 starting forwards, 1% is 4)

Foerster will be limited by his lack of speed, but he should fill out to 6'2 220 (listed at 215 at TC) or so, has good hands and a plus shot, perfect for a PF. Mark Stone (but stay healthy) is the player he should model his game after.

Notice he's on the 2nd line with Tippett and Frost, he'll do the dirty work on that line.

 

[bennysflyers16]

EJ Risto is an actual NHL opening night D pairing !!!!!!!!

 

[usahockey22flyers]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1844783008701665685

 

[sauce88]

So more offensively impactful last year mainly as a LW, with a minimal defensive dropoff, seems like a no brainer to keep him at LW.

 

[trostol]

scratched him so one of the shiny new toys can play instead of sending him back to develop

 

[scumpup]

Imagine kicking cates off the 4th line for the corpse of Scott Laughton. A player who has been mediocre his entire career and is now aging out. Laughton is a bust btw.

 

[sauce88]

Imagine kicking cates off the 4th line for the corpse of Scott Laughton. A player who has been mediocre his entire career and is now aging out. Laughton is a bust btw.

I don't think it's even hyperbole (maybe slightly) to say that a Cates-Poehling-Hathaway 4th line is a cup contender quality fourth line. With Cates and Poehling able to play up into the middle six in case of injury. The infatuation with Laughton has really impacted multiple aspects.

 

[VladDrag]

Flyers should have Cates in the lineup, and a 2025 first rounder for Laughton.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

I don't think it's even hyperbole (maybe slightly) to say that a Cates-Poehling-Hathaway 4th line is a cup contender quality fourth line. With Cates and Poehling able to play up into the middle six in case of injury. The infatuation with Laughton has really impacted multiple aspects.

I love that line. Well, only if they traded Hath this season LOL

 

[deadhead]

Cates was a wing in college, and his best use is a wing in the NHL, except when you need a shutdown defensive line with a lead in the 3rd period.

It's a long season, right now they're looking at Luchanko.
If he shows he belongs, then Laughton goes on the trade block.
If he doesn't then Cates becomes 3C.

So right now it's a numbers game.
Which is good, first time they've had legitimate forward depth for a decade.
What they need is 1-2 more top 6 centers, maybe Luchanko, maybe a 2025 1st rd pick, maybe a trade.
Push Couts to 3C where his minutes are limited and can be used in high leverage situations.

 

[freakydallas13]

What they need is 1-2 more top 6 centers

Aka, all the top 6 centers

 

[ponder719]

then Laughton goes on the trade block.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Cates was a wing in college, and his best use is a wing in the NHL, except when you need a shutdown defensive line with a lead in the 3rd period.

It's a long season, right now they're looking at Luchanko.
If he shows he belongs, then Laughton goes on the trade block.
If he doesn't then Cates becomes 3C.

So right now it's a numbers game.
Which is good, first time they've had legitimate forward depth for a decade.
What they need is 1-2 more top 6 centers, maybe Luchanko, maybe a 2025 1st rd pick, maybe a trade.
Push Couts to 3C where his minutes are limited and can be used in high leverage situations.

Says who? You? Again, there are zero signs that will happen. No matter how many times you say it will.

They would more likely trade Cates if that was the case if Jett stays.

 

[deadhead]

Briere was fielding offers for Laughton at the TDL.

I think if the Flyers were out of the PO race or he had more center depth in the organization he might have bite, but no one made "an offer you can't refuse."

They're not going to make Cates the 13th forward over the long haul.
While Cates has more trade value, he's 25 and Laughton is 30.

 

[Cody Webster]

Briere was fielding offers for Laughton at the TDL.

I think if the Flyers were out of the PO race or he had more center depth in the organization he might have bite, but no one made "an offer you can't refuse."

They're not going to make Cates the 13th forward over the long haul.
While Cates has more trade value, he's 25 and Laughton is 30.

How many times do you need to be told, Laughton is never getting traded. He's the organizations golden boy. There's a better chance the Yankees trade Aaron Judge than the Flyers trade Laughton

 

[Beef Invictus]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1844783008701665685

He was just f***ing skating the top line in practice!?