2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[Beef Invictus]

Everyone tries to land these guys, they're hard to obtain.

MacKinnon (#1), McDavid (#1), Kucherov (#58), Pastrnk (#25)

Crosby (#1), Matthews (#1), Rantanen (#10), Panarin (UDFA), Draistaitl (#3), M Tkachuk (#6), Pettersson (#5), Point (#79), Robertson (#39), Nylander (#8), Marner (#4)

Hyman (#123), Hagel (#159), Verhaeghe (#82), Keller (#7), Stutzle (#3), Nelson (#30), Bratt (#162), Hischier (#1), B Tkachuk (#4), Guentzel (#77), Tuch (#18), Miller (#15), Aho (#35), Scheifle (#7)

But you don't necessarily need a top 5 pick.

Not the Flyers. They have even stated that having the bare minimum of talent is their goal.

"We aren't going to be like those teams with lots of talent" was roughly what Briere said. They want to be the Islanders, built through the Blues route, by people who fail to find diamonds in the rough.

 

[Cody Webster]

Did Frost vanish?

He didn't earn it

 

[mr figgles]

Everyone tries to land these guys, they're hard to obtain.

MacKinnon (#1), McDavid (#1), Kucherov (#58), Pastrnk (#25)

Crosby (#1), Matthews (#1), Rantanen (#10), Panarin (UDFA), Draistaitl (#3), M Tkachuk (#6), Pettersson (#5), Point (#79), Robertson (#39), Nylander (#8), Marner (#4)

Hyman (#123), Hagel (#159), Verhaeghe (#82), Keller (#7), Stutzle (#3), Nelson (#30), Bratt (#162), Hischier (#1), B Tkachuk (#4), Guentzel (#77), Tuch (#18), Miller (#15), Aho (#35), Scheifle (#7)

But you don't necessarily need a top 5 pick.

34% are top 5
48% are top 10

Someone that is good at math, please help. My team is starved for elite talent.

 

[mr figgles]

I haven't looked it up, but how many teams have won the Cup without at least one top 5 pick in the past 20 years?

Boston had Seguin, but I get that he wasn't the main cog.

Other than that, who?

Boston also had Horton who didn’t play in the finals, but he was a big part of them getting there.

I think the 08 wings are the only other team.

 

[freakydallas13]

Everyone tries to land these guys, they're hard to obtain.

Of course they are, everyone wants them. But the Flyers actively choose the routes least likely to acquire said players.

For them it's a feature, not a bug.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

People obsess on stars and elite scorers, but they are pretty rare.
Looking at ES scoring the last two season (PP is more of a unit than player thang).
Total scoring over two years illustrates not only who can score, but who can stay on the ice.

The top four are special.
30 forwards scoring 100+.
28 forwards scoring 90-99
35 forwards scoring 80-89.

McKinnon (169), McDavid (160), Kucherov (154), Pastrnk (149)

Crosby (137), Matthews (134), Rantanen (132), Panarin (131), Draistail (129), Tkachuk (127), Pettersson (123), Point (123), Robertson (120), Nylander (118), Marner (115)

Hyman (113), Hagel (113), Verhaeghe (111), Keller (111), Stuzle (108), Nelson (108), Bratt (106), Hischier (106), B Tkachuk (106), Guentzel (105), Tuch (105), Miller (104), Aho (103), Schiefle (100)

D-men don't score nearly as much:
Karlsson (113), Morrisey (98), Hughes (95)
Josi (86), Toews (86), Makar (83), Dahlin (80), Dunn (78), Fox (78), Hedman (77), Dobson (75), Bouchard (73), Forsling (71), Heiskanen (71)
28 D-men scoring 60+
19 D-men scoring 50+

Flyers:
TK (91), Tippett (82), Farabee (80). Michkov?
If you can't land a 100+ guy, next best thing is 5 or more 80+ and 90+ guys.
So key going forward is guys like Brink, Frost, Foerster and eventually Luchanko stepping up.
Barkey is a long shot maybe Ciernak, no one else with this kind of scoring potential.

Sanehim (56) is the only scoring threat on defense
York, Drysdale need to step up.

What's more important, ES or Total points scoring?

 

[deadhead]

What's more important, ES or Total points scoring?

ES. PP scoring is more of a unit thing, being on the 1st v 2nd v off the PP can be arbitrary.
Bergeron good example, got 20+ PP points his 2nd and 3rd season, then off the PP for most of his career.

PP is more a mirror image of the PK, that is, net scoring on STs is what matters.
A great PP v PK may change strategy to some extent (a great PK allows you to be more aggressive in terms of borderline play) but in the end, want to score more than you allow.
However, PP scoring is more obvious than great PK play.

Most top ES scorers are good PP scorers for obvious reasons, but you can get 20+ points if you're the 5th wheel on a top PP without being that good of a scorer.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

ES. PP scoring is more of a unit thing, being on the 1st v 2nd v off the PP can be arbitrary.
Bergeron good example, got 20+ PP points his 2nd and 3rd season, then off the PP for most of his career.

PP is more a mirror image of the PK, that is, net scoring on STs is what matters.
A great PP v PK may change strategy to some extent (a great PK allows you to be more aggressive in terms of borderline play) but in the end, want to score more than you allow.
However, PP scoring is more obvious than great PK play.

Most top ES scorers are good PP scorers for obvious reasons, but you can get 20+ points if you're the 5th wheel on a top PP without being that good of a scorer.

Sorry total points > ES points.

 

[bennysflyers16]

The team isn't moving Laughton.

One of the very few locks, like zero % chance he is traded.

 

[freakydallas13]

One of the very few locks, like zero % chance he is traded.

I think they'll trade him at some point, but it definitely won't be close to peak value they could have.

Unless they plan on making him the Captain down the road or something. Who knows.