2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[freakydallas13]

So TK, Tippett, Farabee, are top 6 talent? Just checking.
Cates spent 50% of his minutes with these three, so 50% with bottom six talent in 2022-23.

1.37 pp/60. that was 211th of all forwards with 800+ 5x5 minutes.
240th is the median 3rd line forward, 1.17.
So Cates basically scored at a 3rd line rate.
If you look at counts, 25 points at 5x5, which was 172nd among all forward.
240th was 17 points.
TOI helped his scoring a little, but not substantially.

I think people overestimate how much 3rd line forwards actually score.

Cam Atkinson had a higher points/60 (1.5) than Cates (1.3) did last season, and the team decided to buy out Cam because he was cooked.

Even Lycksell had a higher points/60 in the NHL last season! And we just waived him!

so. you mean...minute by minute relative O production was poor? Ok...last season's output would certainly support that, he was lost amongst his linemates to produce much, that I can recall. But I'm sorry to think his initial great start was entirely a mirage....here's hoping.

Is maybe Farabee also a mirage? That would be a harder pill to swallow, but reasonable.

He did shoot over 21% in 2021/2022 in a small sample size, so expecting him to continue to produce offence at that level was not realistic.

 

[deadhead]

The expectations are ridiculous at times.
Cates is fine for a 3rd line forward/middle six guy.

Michkov, TK, Farabee, Tippett are top six forwards according to Beef.
So the problem isn't the bottom six, they need more top six producers.

Couts, Brink, Foerster, Frost - they need a couple of these guys to step up.
Last year,
48th forward (median 1st line) scored 48 ES points
144th forward (median 2nd line) scored 33 ES points.
That's my cutoff for top 6 (don't want players who are below the 2nd line median)

TK 51
Tippett 45
Farabee 43
[Michkov]

Frost 29
Couts 28
Brink 18 (57 games, 26 prorated]
Laughton 25
Foerster 23
Atkinson 22
Poehling 21
Cates 15 (59 games, 21 prorated]

Hathaway 14

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Putting Luchenko on PP2 is BS. That's Couturier's spot.
There might be something going on with SC. Perhaps he's banged up already but there have been several articles in the press noting that SC is not playing up to speed. Briere said yesterday that he felt the need to tell some of the veterans to pick up their games. It could be that SC's speed is off but he's never been a burner on the ice. Most likely it's Tortorella ragging on SC with his usual head games crap.

I mean the PP was dogshit last year regardless of who was on it. I don't care who is on either unit as long as it is better than the 10% or whatever we had last year.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If he's gonna play, I am at peace with him being on PP2. It's an opportunity to develop offense, or, in theory it is, because the PP is gonna be futile as is custom for Tortorella teams. Either way it's extra playing time.

And it's resting time for Couturier, who doesn't need to burn himself down on a futile and pointless PP

 

[Hanover Fist]

I mean the PP was dogshit last year regardless of who was on it. I don't care who is on either unit as long as it is better than the 10% or whatever we had last year.

Dont worry they got Rocky Thompson fixing it

 

[Starat327]

We've hit the point where the court jester has overstayed it's welcome.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

What is his obsession with needing to have laughton on this team? He's really making himself seem like an idiot, is he trying to get hired on by the organization or something? He used to have decent views but lately he's been as awful as 90% of the beat writers