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Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)

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Blitzkrug said:
In most cases i would agree but Soto's age kinda changes the game here, or so to speak.

Most free agents usually that benchmark in their late 20s/early 30s which factors into negotiations somewhat since you usually only see 10 years as the upper limit on term.

Soto being so young, relatively speaking is more than enough to throw on more years which is why you're seeing the money climb up into the 6, or perhaps even 700s. He won't be making more than Shohei annually but he will still get close to his total number just on this alone imo.

If he was this good at age 30, he probably gets a much more familiar 10/500 rather than 14/700 as we've seen rumored.
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We're also likely talking about significant deferrals, which makes the present value significantly less than what the huge total suggests.
 
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It's too bad that the Jays, as the only Canadian team, have to wait until all the American teams have signed at least one free agent before they can start their free agent period signings. That must be how it works, right? Why else would we be stuck on the sidelines?
 
There’s a report/rumour that the Jays are interested in Joan Moncada.

Not a bad option on a VERY cheap 1 yr deal as a reclamation project. Not exactly the big bat we’re awaiting though.
 
Ale Brew said:
There’s a report/rumour that the Jays are interested in Joan Moncada.

Not a bad option on a VERY cheap 1 yr deal as a reclamation project. Not exactly the big bat we’re awaiting though.
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I wouldn't mind Moncada as a bench piece with some upside, but I think the only way it makes sense is if they're moving a couple young position players to fill other holes.
 
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Meh. That feels like a C level signing. Guy never lived up to the billing after being the center piece of the Chris Sale trade many moons ago.

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Not really moving the needle. If you're serious about improving the offense you're gonna have to go a bit bigger.
 
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Blitzkrug said:
Meh. That feels like a C level signing. Guy never lived up to the billing after being the center piece of the Chris Sale trade many moons ago.

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Not really moving the needle. If you're serious about improving the offense you're gonna have to go a bit bigger.
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I don't think anyone would see that as anything other than a depth/bench/compete for playing time kind of deal.
 
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www.nytimes.com

MLB Hot Stove matchmaking: A free-agent fit for each team as the Winter Meetings near

As we wait for the floodgates to open, Bowden plays matchmaker, proposing a free-agent fit that could make sense for each of the 30 teams.
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Toronto Blue Jays — Nathan Eovaldi, RHP (3 years, $70 million)

The Blue Jays are struggling to persuade free agents to come to Toronto. As badly as they want position players, they are also pursuing starting pitchers. Enter Eovaldi, who would fit nicely in their already strong rotation. They’ll probably have to give him one more year than the rest of the industry to land him, but he’s worth it, even heading into his age-35 season. Eovaldi went 12-8 with a 3.80 ERA over 29 starts last season with the Rangers. He was worth 2.3 WAR.
 
Thornbury said:
It's too bad that the Jays, as the only Canadian team, have to wait until all the American teams have signed at least one free agent before they can start their free agent period signings. That must be how it works, right? Why else would we be stuck on the sidelines?
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What do you mean stuck on the sidelines? Nobody has really signed anyone.
 
Puckstuff said:
A really nice contract as well.

Higher OPS+ than Santander, and only owed $36 million, while Santander is set to make over $120-150 million? Yeah, I'd make that move without hesitation if the price is reasonable.
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Cubs looking to crest a spot for Burlingtons own Owen Caissie.

Our bozos are doing everything you are ever taught not to do in sales 101 in the Soto sweeps.
Drop a big number contract in Boras lap, Boras takes that to the other teams.
Other teams match. Then Boras circles back to the Jays. Idiot negotiating.

Give the Boras team a number with a 24 hour expiry window. Take it or we are out is what they should be doing. They are letting Boras control the whole narrative and they are just being used.
 
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The Iceman said:
Cubs looking to crest a spot for Burlingtons own Owen Caissie.

Our bozos are doing everything you are ever taught not to do in sales 101 in the Soto sweeps.
Drop a big number contract in Boras lap, Boras takes that to the other teams.
Other teams match. Then Boras circles back to the Jays. Idiot negotiating.

Give the Boras team a number with a 24 hour expiry window. Take it or we are out is what they should be doing. They are letting Boras control the whole narrative and they are just being used.
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That's the same thing EVERY team is doing.

Are you suggesting their starting offer should be the highest they're willing to go?
 
The Iceman said:
Cubs looking to crest a spot for Burlingtons own Owen Caissie.

Our bozos are doing everything you are ever taught not to do in sales 101 in the Soto sweeps.
Drop a big number contract in Boras lap, Boras takes that to the other teams.
Other teams match. Then Boras circles back to the Jays. Idiot negotiating.

Give the Boras team a number with a 24 hour expiry window. Take it or we are out is what they should be doing. They are letting Boras control the whole narrative and they are just being used.
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I mean Boras would just say no and move on to the Mets,Dodgers,Yankees and Red Sox lol if you want to do that you are basically just saying you want the Jays out on Soto, which is fine if you do but that's what would happen.
 
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The Iceman said:
Cubs looking to crest a spot for Burlingtons own Owen Caissie.

Our bozos are doing everything you are ever taught not to do in sales 101 in the Soto sweeps.
Drop a big number contract in Boras lap, Boras takes that to the other teams.
Other teams match. Then Boras circles back to the Jays. Idiot negotiating.

Give the Boras team a number with a 24 hour expiry window. Take it or we are out is what they should be doing. They are letting Boras control the whole narrative and they are just being used.
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The Jays are useful to Boras but the other teams probably get annoyed by them driving up the price. I say, too bad.
 
The Jays are specifically singled out because we have a policy to not comment on rumours so we wont refute anything which gives the agents Carte Blanche to use us.
 
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RCGP2 said:
Would a deal centered around Springer for Arenado make sense?
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Arenado has an extra year and he makes slightly more per season than Springer. Both are delcining and I'm not sure I want to deal with an extra year of declining player.

I'm 100% fine with Ernie Clement as our 3B.
 
$700 mil for a bat? Granted he's doing things only Ted Williams did at the same age. He's not a great defender, he's not great on the bases, insanity that the Jays are willing to go that high on a guy who is elite at one thing. Put your money into elite pitching.

If the Jays have proven one thing is they can neuter their own hitters faster than an Aroldis Chapman fastball from 2010
Blitzkrug said:
I wasn't even aware Eovaldi was a FA.

Wouldn't hate it if they can't land Fried.
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  • Corbin Burnes (30 years old, 7.2 WAR) -- declined qualifying offer
  • Blake Snell (32, 7.2) -- signed 5-year deal with LAD (Nov. 30)
  • Yusei Kikuchi (34, 6.0) -- signed 3-year deal with LAA (Nov. 27)
  • Max Fried (31, 5.2) -- declined qualifying offer
  • Nathan Eovaldi (35, 5.1)
  • Jack Flaherty (29, 5.0)
  • Nick Martinez (34, 4.9) -- accepted qualifying offer from CIN (Nov. 18)
  • Kyle Gibson (37, 4.0)
  • Justin Verlander (42, 4.0)
  • Nick Pivetta (32, 3.9) -- declined qualifying offer
  • Sean Manaea (33, 3.9) -- declined qualifying offer
  • Charlie Morton (41, 3.8)
  • Patrick Sandoval (28, 3.5)
  • Andrew Heaney (34, 3.5)
  • Kyle Hendricks (35, 3.0) -- signed 1-year deal with LAA (Nov. 7)
  • Clayton Kershaw (37, 3.0)
  • Shane Bieber (30, 2.8) -- reported 1-year deal with CLE
  • Max Scherzer (40, 2.8)
  • Patrick Corbin (35, 2.6)
  • José Quintana (36, 2.6)
  • Michael Lorenzen (33, 2.4)
  • Mike Clevinger (34, 2.1)
  • Alex Cobb (37, 2.1)
  • Griffin Canning (29, 2.0)
  • Lance Lynn (38, 1.8)
  • Trevor Williams (33, 1.8)
  • Matthew Boyd (34, 1.7) -- signed 2-year deal with CHC (Dec. 7)
  • Colin Rea (34, 1.6)
  • Luis Severino (31, 1.6) -- signed 2-year deal with ATH (Dec. 6)
  • Adrian Houser (32, 1.6) -- reported MiLB deal with TEX
  • Frankie Montas (32, 1.4) -- signed 2-year deal with NYM (Dec. 4)
  • Cal Quantrill (29, 1.2)
  • Anthony DeSclafani (35, 1.0)
  • Wade Miley (38, 1.0)
  • Martín Pérez (34, 0.9)
  • Ross Stripling (35, 0.9)
  • Zach Davies (32, 0.8)
  • Domingo Germán (32, 0.8)
  • Marco Gonzales (33, 0.8)
  • Chris Flexen (30, 0.8)
  • John Means (32, 0.6)
  • Spencer Turnbull (32, 0.6)
  • Jordan Lyles (34, 0.3)
  • Julio Teheran (34, 0.2)
  • José Urquidy (30, 0.2)
  • Alex Wood (34, 0.1)
  • Dallas Keuchel (37, 0.1)
  • Michael Soroka (27, 0.0)
  • Huascar Ynoa (27, 0.0)
  • Luis Patiño (25, 0.0)
  • Adam Kloffenstein (24, 0.0)
  • Carlos Carrasco (38, -0.2)
  • Walker Buehler (30, -0.2)
  • Chase Anderson (37, -0.3)
  • Yonny Chirinos (31, -0.5) -- signed with KBO team
  • Brad Keller (29, -0.5) -- signed with NPB team
  • José Ureña (33, -0.5)
 
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