Its pretty clear I want Coyle as a #3C, not #2C. However you're the guy equating
#48 to Coyle and I think that's a big time cheap shot at Coyle.
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#48 to Coyle and I think that's a big time cheap shot at Coyle.
RiverbottomChuck
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Coyle couldn’t even keep up against Florida’s 4C. If he’s playing center at all it’s not gonna go well once playoffs hit. Guy is probably one of the most overrated players by Boston fans. He’d be lucky to be on the cats 4th line with how he plays in the playoffs.
Bruinfanatic
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He was pretty good in 2019 ,but yeah since he has sucked.
Clearly we aren't agreeing here and Coyle wasn't outplayed by Florida's 4C and you don't put up 25G and 60 points in a season and ever deserve to be classified as grossly overrated.
You're entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts and the facts regarding Coyle don't support your opinion. If Coyle put up a 20G 20A season, you would be on really solid ground.
ON3M4N
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Sweeney likes to find good value deals and we saw a lot of it last season due to our cap issues. A name that I was thinking about was Jakub Vrana.
He's had a little bit of a rough go the last few years. Back in 2022 he entered PAP for substance abuse, was waived upon his return and eventually traded to STL where he had 14pt in 20gp. He struggled this past season early on and was waived by STL. He went to the AHL and had 36pts in 42gp.
So why do I like the idea of Vrana?
He's still on the right side of 30 as he just turned 28 a few months ago. In his 3 seasons prior to this past one he had 43g & 71pt in 101gp. Over 82 games that's a 35G/57P pace. He's got good speed and a good shot (something this team needs). Vrana is likely looking for an opportunity to rebuild his value and would take a short term / low money deal. For Boston that means low risk / high reward.
Why I think Boston could be a good fit for Vrana
The Bruins are well known for their locker room and culture. Along with having fellow countrymen David Pastrnak, Pavel Zacha & Jakub Lauko on the roster, Vrana also would have a coach who understands first hand the struggles of of substance abuse. It'd give Vrana a good support system as he continues to get back to the player he showed he could be a handful of years ago. In Boston he could come in for a 3rd line role and build his game back up with the opportunity to play in the Bruins top 6.
He's had a little bit of a rough go the last few years. Back in 2022 he entered PAP for substance abuse, was waived upon his return and eventually traded to STL where he had 14pt in 20gp. He struggled this past season early on and was waived by STL. He went to the AHL and had 36pts in 42gp.
So why do I like the idea of Vrana?
He's still on the right side of 30 as he just turned 28 a few months ago. In his 3 seasons prior to this past one he had 43g & 71pt in 101gp. Over 82 games that's a 35G/57P pace. He's got good speed and a good shot (something this team needs). Vrana is likely looking for an opportunity to rebuild his value and would take a short term / low money deal. For Boston that means low risk / high reward.
Why I think Boston could be a good fit for Vrana
The Bruins are well known for their locker room and culture. Along with having fellow countrymen David Pastrnak, Pavel Zacha & Jakub Lauko on the roster, Vrana also would have a coach who understands first hand the struggles of of substance abuse. It'd give Vrana a good support system as he continues to get back to the player he showed he could be a handful of years ago. In Boston he could come in for a 3rd line role and build his game back up with the opportunity to play in the Bruins top 6.
RiverbottomChuck
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I feel he is overrated because more than any other Bruin his style becomes exponentially more passive in the playoffs down to losing every board battle which is something he does decently well in the regular season. You can say he was playing above his head but i don’t see him winning a match up against Bennett or Lundell in a 7 game series and that’s a bit of an issue for a guy making 5 mil at his size. I’ll agree the 4th line comment was hyperbole, I just think 3rd rw is where he belongs for the rest of the contract.
Can u define "sucked"? Because the hyperbole here very rarely gets flushed out. Does sucked mean losing your match ups against better competition (Coyle) or consistently
losing your match up against inferior centers to you. My version of " sucked" is pretty clearly the latter.
In addition to Coyle being the #2C in 2022, in I believe 2021, he was playing
with a damaged knee.
Coyle's current contract was signed Pre Covid, so that needs to be reasonably factored in to Coyle's evaluation regarding ROI with the guy, don't you think?
Dennis Bonvie
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Coyle was 1-2-3 and +1 against Florida (Cup finalists) in 6 games.
Last year he was 1-1-2 and -1 in 7 games. Consider Bergeron was -6 in 3 games and Krejci was -3 in 4 games.
Charlie hasn't really been bad at all.
Last year he was 1-1-2 and -1 in 7 games. Consider Bergeron was -6 in 3 games and Krejci was -3 in 4 games.
Charlie hasn't really been bad at all.
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Curious to know if bruins take on that 'big powerful fast" Russian kid. I believe he's a center. Available July 1.
ON3M4N
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The thing for me with Coyle is these past two seasons his production just seems to disappear in the playoffs.
2022-2023
Regular Season - 0.55 P/GP
Playoffs - 0.28 P/GP
2023-2024
Regular Season - 0.73 P/GP
Playoffs - 0.38 P/GP
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He vanishes at time during the regular season as well.
Fast and has a scoring touch. I've wanted Winnipeg to trade him off the roster for years. Has never really delivered on his talent promise and at times is a liability to the point he cant keep a top 6 spot.
Injuries seem to be a constant as he is more of a skilled light forward. Put a body on him and he wilts if not is escorted off the ice.
No thanks.
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I truly believe a small number of fans here don't actually watch bruins play or simply not bruin fans. Some of the takes on him are horrid. I love him as 2nd C. Plays with heart, passion, tough to play against, big, fast, puck possession master and not bad skills. He's a perfect bruin. He played a defensive playoff run this year. He was asked to be smart and think D not O.
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The issue is against the Panthers (and the last few games against the Leafs once Keefe changed their forecheck), the Bruins were never getting clean possession into the zone. Coyle does his work in the cycle game on the walls and below the net. But because we could never get the f***ing puck out, Coyle’s game was never able to come together. He has some responsibility for it, along with the other forwards, but there’s a systemic issue that impacts Coyle (and Frederic) in games against the Panthers.
I believe you mean Maxim Tsyplakov who signed with the Islanders last month. I don't now of another top international player out there
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LouJersey
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A teams #1 center getting 1 goal in in 13 games and 5 total points is an all time awful play-off performance points wise. It's abysmal. He was a flat out failure as a top 6 C in the play-offs and it's ok to say it.
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That would be pretty stupid on his part. What if he gets a serious injury?
Yup. Am I the only one that spent the season on the GDT with the constant complaining about how soft we are, but we want to let the only tough guy we have walk because he’s 36. Marchessault scored 40 last year, and has scored more than Debrusk has ever scored five times. He’s a massive upgrade.
Gonzothe7thDman
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Now the spin is he was told to play a defensive role instead of scoring.
Crazy the excuses people will come up with.
Coyle is not a top 6 center in the playoffs when he has to get line matched against other legit top 6 centers. He's a good fill in for the regular season but he's best suited to 3C in the playoffs.
TCB
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I can't blame Coyle, he's not a number one Center, wasn't his fault he was put in that position. He's best suited for a 3rd line center role. The Bruins knew this was going to be a year when they were up against the cap and had very little room to make changes and players were put in certain roles that they weren't accustomed to or normally wouldn't have been asked to carry that load. Now its time for Sweeney to address those short comings of year ago and bring in that true number one center as the cap space is now there.
LouJersey
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God forbid someone has a different take.
A top six center cannot put up the offensive numbers he does if you ever want to win anything.
Asked to be smart and think defense? Come on. He was the 1C. You need to do both. Doesn't mean he doesn't have heart and passion or tough to play against.
Yeah imagine a coach saying you're my 1C but play defense and don't worry about the offense. THat works when he is the 3C. I never thought I could see less accountability required with the players after last seasons choke job.
Gonzothe7thDman
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Team has a shortage of offensive scoring threats, but lets tell the center of a line with 2 of them (63+74) to focus more on defense instead of offense.
Just doesn't make sense.
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