Nope doesn't fight, doesn't hit, not tough enough, too old, makes too much cash, doesn't show up in the playoffs, doesn't score 50 goals per year.....how did I do?
But personally.....sounds like a plan
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But personally.....sounds like a plan
Bruinfanatic
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Bergeron had a herniated disc and shouldn’t have been playing .
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I watched Trent Frederic score 4 times as many goals as Coyle but you hate him and have excuses for how bad he is. If Frederic had as bad a playoff as Coyle you would be apocalyptic
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DominicT
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Any line David Pastrnak is on is the first line. That is fact.
How many minutes did Coyle play on the first line in the playoffs?
How many minutes did Coyle play on the first line in the playoffs?
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Well u were the only person in the universe that watched Frederic score 4 times as many as goals as Coyle in the PO. Incidentally 1 of Frederic's 3 goals was a pulled goalie empty net gimme. So if u are going to beat down Coyle's production using Frederic as your standard at least be accurate.
Could Coyle have produced more against Florida? Yeah of course, but he didn't put up goose eggs, as he had 1-2-3 totals going against Barkov, Bennett and Lundell.
Boston the last two years in the PO with Coyle at 2C were 4-4 so let's not get to carried away puking all over him.
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Much like Bruins, It appears the Rangers are in desperate need of a number 1 and 2 center after losing 6 games to the Panthers with their top center having slightly better numbers versus Coyle and their 2nd center failing to meet Coyle's production/contribution.
Find a number 1 center and Coyle is your 2nd line center. All is good.
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TCB
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Il take Zibanejad and Lafrenière moving forward but yea I agree there's alot of talk thats what the Rags need. But i think its more of the case just how freaken good the Panthers have been more than anything and I know Lafrenière has played more wing but I think his future lie's as a center.
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I don’t really understand the Coyle hate outside the fact that people can’t realize he’s simply playing a larger role that he should be. He isn’t a top 2 center, and that’s okay as long as you (and more importantly Sweeney) acknowledge it. Sure he can and did play well this regular season. Not like in years previous though…2019 playoffs he was an absolute dawg on the third line and you could see it working when he had two bonafide healthy center options above him and MarcJo to play pinball with. This year going into playoffs, you’d assume he would have a ppg decline as he is outmatched and tasked with a defense first mindset ( Zacha no different), which he did. This hampers his wingers from playing their best offensive game and you end up with tight, low scoring games until you get bounced out of the cup chase.
I’d argue any center candidate we are discussing right now (Lindholm, Stephenson, Reinhart and Necas even though the last two are better on wing) would have scored more than Coyle or Zacha on the top two lines this year. Maybe not by big numbers, but the speed and feel of the team would’ve been much better. I think D would’ve been more active, as the puck would be up ice more. I’d also argue that Coyle and Zacha would’ve had a few more fans going into this summer as well, as they played in roles that better suited them. The point totals in regular season should show you that they were more than capable to fill in, while the playoff point totals show you that you still needed some more offensive flash up top. The 5.25 salary doesn’t bother me at all, he is a puck possession monster, chips in offensively, and helps keep the bottom 6 deep and strong on its feet and can jump into any situation, like Heinen.
But now with Heinen signing rumors, we have more possibilities…
For what it’s worth, I don’t think you can have Frederic, Heinen, Coyle, Geekie, Brazzers all in cycling in middle 6 territory looking up to an aging Marchand, streaky Debrusk, and quiet Zacha. It’s just a few too many “just another guy” feels in that area of the roster. That spells Pasta getting shut down all day. We assume now Jake is gone which it is what it is. Bringing in 2/3 threats up top allow your Coyle third line to start humming again, which will have opposing players looking over their shoulders in the corners a bit more like they used to.
Wouldn’t hesitate to move Frederic or Geekie (though I do like them) in a package with Ullmark or separately for top 6 help or picks/prospects for Prov. Maybe both even (one now and one at deadline) because you could have a Heinen-Poitras-Coyle line if Poitras isn’t your 2c and their contracts will be up next summer. And heck, all my defending Coyle could be an argument for making him a valuable trade chip him instead of Geekie/Frederic to get an even better return with Ullmark and letting Geekie be your 3c and use the money elsewhere
I’d argue any center candidate we are discussing right now (Lindholm, Stephenson, Reinhart and Necas even though the last two are better on wing) would have scored more than Coyle or Zacha on the top two lines this year. Maybe not by big numbers, but the speed and feel of the team would’ve been much better. I think D would’ve been more active, as the puck would be up ice more. I’d also argue that Coyle and Zacha would’ve had a few more fans going into this summer as well, as they played in roles that better suited them. The point totals in regular season should show you that they were more than capable to fill in, while the playoff point totals show you that you still needed some more offensive flash up top. The 5.25 salary doesn’t bother me at all, he is a puck possession monster, chips in offensively, and helps keep the bottom 6 deep and strong on its feet and can jump into any situation, like Heinen.
But now with Heinen signing rumors, we have more possibilities…
For what it’s worth, I don’t think you can have Frederic, Heinen, Coyle, Geekie, Brazzers all in cycling in middle 6 territory looking up to an aging Marchand, streaky Debrusk, and quiet Zacha. It’s just a few too many “just another guy” feels in that area of the roster. That spells Pasta getting shut down all day. We assume now Jake is gone which it is what it is. Bringing in 2/3 threats up top allow your Coyle third line to start humming again, which will have opposing players looking over their shoulders in the corners a bit more like they used to.
Wouldn’t hesitate to move Frederic or Geekie (though I do like them) in a package with Ullmark or separately for top 6 help or picks/prospects for Prov. Maybe both even (one now and one at deadline) because you could have a Heinen-Poitras-Coyle line if Poitras isn’t your 2c and their contracts will be up next summer. And heck, all my defending Coyle could be an argument for making him a valuable trade chip him instead of Geekie/Frederic to get an even better return with Ullmark and letting Geekie be your 3c and use the money elsewhere
Great post!!!I don’t really understand the Coyle hate outside the fact that people can’t realize he’s simply playing a larger role that he should be. He isn’t a top 2 center, and that’s okay as long as you (and more importantly Sweeney) acknowledge it. Sure he can and did play well this regular season. Not like in years previous though…2019 playoffs he was an absolute dawg on the third line and you could see it working when he had two bonafide healthy center options above him and MarcJo to play pinball with. This year going into playoffs, you’d assume he would have a ppg decline as he is outmatched and tasked with a defense first mindset ( Zacha no different), which he did. This hampers his wingers from playing their best offensive game and you end up with tight, low scoring games until you get bounced out of the cup chase.
I’d argue any center candidate we are discussing right now (Lindholm, Stephenson, Reinhart and Necas even though the last two are better on wing) would have scored more than Coyle or Zacha on the top two lines this year. Maybe not by big numbers, but the speed and feel of the team would’ve been much better. I think D would’ve been more active, as the puck would be up ice more. I’d also argue that Coyle and Zacha would’ve had a few more fans going into this summer as well, as they played in roles that better suited them. The point totals in regular season should show you that they were more than capable to fill in, while the playoff point totals show you that you still needed some more offensive flash up top. The 5.25 salary doesn’t bother me at all, he is a puck possession monster, chips in offensively, and helps keep the bottom 6 deep and strong on its feet and can jump into any situation, like Heinen.
But now with Heinen signing rumors, we have more possibilities…
For what it’s worth, I don’t think you can have Frederic, Heinen, Coyle, Geekie, Brazzers all in cycling in middle 6 territory looking up to an aging Marchand, streaky Debrusk, and quiet Zacha. It’s just a few too many “just another guy” feels in that area of the roster. That spells Pasta getting shut down all day. We assume now Jake is gone which it is what it is. Bringing in 2/3 threats up top allow your Coyle third line to start humming again, which will have opposing players looking over their shoulders in the corners a bit more like they used to.
Wouldn’t hesitate to move Frederic or Geekie (though I do like them) in a package with Ullmark or separately for top 6 help or picks/prospects for Prov. Maybe both even (one now and one at deadline) because you could have a Heinen-Poitras-Coyle line if Poitras isn’t your 2c and their contracts will be up next summer. And heck, all my defending Coyle could be an argument for making him a valuable trade chip him instead of Geekie/Frederic to get an even better return with Ullmark and letting Geekie be your 3c and use the money elsewhere
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Over the volcano
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I'm surprised. You'd think with a franchise so hungry for $ something like this would be a layup. Hell just go straight crack bear for a year
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More is expected of Coyle because he's been here for a while and is our 3rd highest paid forward. Sure they might be asking too much for what he can bring, but he's in the role and getting paid so ...I don’t really understand the Coyle hate outside the fact that people can’t realize he’s simply playing a larger role that he should be. He isn’t a top 2 center, and that’s okay as long as you (and more importantly Sweeney) acknowledge it. Sure he can and did play well this regular season. Not like in years previous though…2019 playoffs he was an absolute dawg on the third line and you could see it working when he had two bonafide healthy center options above him and MarcJo to play pinball with. This year going into playoffs, you’d assume he would have a ppg decline as he is outmatched and tasked with a defense first mindset ( Zacha no different), which he did. This hampers his wingers from playing their best offensive game and you end up with tight, low scoring games until you get bounced out of the cup chase.
I’d argue any center candidate we are discussing right now (Lindholm, Stephenson, Reinhart and Necas even though the last two are better on wing) would have scored more than Coyle or Zacha on the top two lines this year. Maybe not by big numbers, but the speed and feel of the team would’ve been much better. I think D would’ve been more active, as the puck would be up ice more. I’d also argue that Coyle and Zacha would’ve had a few more fans going into this summer as well, as they played in roles that better suited them. The point totals in regular season should show you that they were more than capable to fill in, while the playoff point totals show you that you still needed some more offensive flash up top. The 5.25 salary doesn’t bother me at all, he is a puck possession monster, chips in offensively, and helps keep the bottom 6 deep and strong on its feet and can jump into any situation, like Heinen.
But now with Heinen signing rumors, we have more possibilities…
For what it’s worth, I don’t think you can have Frederic, Heinen, Coyle, Geekie, Brazzers all in cycling in middle 6 territory looking up to an aging Marchand, streaky Debrusk, and quiet Zacha. It’s just a few too many “just another guy” feels in that area of the roster. That spells Pasta getting shut down all day. We assume now Jake is gone which it is what it is. Bringing in 2/3 threats up top allow your Coyle third line to start humming again, which will have opposing players looking over their shoulders in the corners a bit more like they used to.
Wouldn’t hesitate to move Frederic or Geekie (though I do like them) in a package with Ullmark or separately for top 6 help or picks/prospects for Prov. Maybe both even (one now and one at deadline) because you could have a Heinen-Poitras-Coyle line if Poitras isn’t your 2c and their contracts will be up next summer. And heck, all my defending Coyle could be an argument for making him a valuable trade chip him instead of Geekie/Frederic to get an even better return with Ullmark and letting Geekie be your 3c and use the money elsewhere
Geekie and Frederic are getting paid half as much and contributing more than that.
RiverbottomChuck
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You’re like the biggest joke here dude what are you even trying to do? which one of the Florida’s top 3 centers did Coyle match let alone out perform?
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I’d rather have Freddie
Domi being signed by Leafs
With my lineup it’s not will they win the Cup but home or away
I’m at the point I want it infront of me none of this away shit unless it’s Dallas - I can be at that
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Donny let’s f***ing Go!!!!!
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It's all perspective.
Imagine you are in the rarified air of doing something so well that you can get paid that kind of money -- then instead of locking down a huge salary increase for the relative long-term you sign a three year deal (despite the fact there is a CBA coming up and you are in the sweet spot as far as signing your likely only big long term deal). Then you somehow fall off a cliff because of league shutdown, injury, talent dropping off a cliff, whatever,..... and now you find you can no longer find a job, let alone get paid big money???
Yeah you got screwed...... Hard. And not by anybody else. You did it yourself.
And the fact is, that even though you got paid huge money for three years, you're still very likely going to be pissed off that you were so stupid.
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LouJersey
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Ok 2c because Zacha (who somehow was even worse than Coyle) played with Pasta. He did have have pp time as well.
LouJersey
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2 goals in 13 games vs Florida is not good. He’s had what 5 pts va them overall? He’s a good top 6 guy in the regular season though
RiverbottomChuck
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You think Coyle matched up against Barkov, Bennett, and Lundell well? I’m good on talking to you then you aren’t a serious person.
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