Boston Bruins 2024-2025 Roster & Salary Cap Discussion III

[goldenblack]

Do you guys think Poitras will be in the AHL for most the season next year? ... Now that he's eligible for the minors and just came off surgery

I think for him it'll be a strength thing. He may need more of it. Imagine Lysell on his wing in the AHL, and then both make the bigs the year after? Spicy.

 

[UncleRico]

The only difference here is hindsight. Because the Bruins didn't win the cup you think the trades suck.

It isn't comparable because one trade was for a bunch of UFAs for a cup run and the other was a massive overpayment followed by an overpaid contract for a guy they thought would have a long term impact.

Can you honestly say at the moment of each trade that the Jeannot trade was similar to those two trades?

It very minimally has to do with the cup, but not winning a cup is some of the factor. It has much more to do with giving up Taylor Hall and 2 years of draft assets to only have Andrew Peeke remaining from using those assets over the past 16 months.

If they still had players from those trades on the roster and providing it’s a completely different story.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I think for him it'll be a strength thing. He may need more of it. Imagine Lysell on his wing in the AHL, and then both make the bigs the year after? Spicy.

I mean he made the bigs this year. I don't see any reason to keep him down unless he's still injured.

It very minimally has to do with the cup, but not winning a cup is some of the factor. It has much more to do with giving up Taylor Hall and 2 years of draft assets to only have Andrew Peeke remaining from using those assets over the past 16 months.

You continually fail to put the Taylor Hall trade in context. The flat cap had teams paying to open up space all over the place. The Hall trade - with term - opened up space without costing any assets. At the time, that was a big win and very necessary given the Bruins structure.

 

[Number8]

Yet they went out and acquired a rehabbing Maroon. Sometimes its best to let what they say go in one ear and out the other.

Wouldn't read too much into that. What they say/do at TDL in a given season is not what they necessarily do in the summer when you have money to make substantial changes.

Bruins needed some PO toughness to replace what they thought they had in Lucic and had next to nothing in terms of cap room. Certainly weren't in the position to make changes that significantly impacted team or style of play.

Not saying that what Neely said is a fact, just that saying the fact that they didn't do it at TDL isn't necessarily an indicator or what their mindset is.

 

[SPV]

Do you guys think Poitras will be in the AHL for most the season next year? ... Now that he's eligible for the minors and just came off surgery

I think that’s the smart move. He’s just coming off surgery, he definitely looked too small at times last year too. Let him grow into it a little, if he’s too good, he’ll find his way back sooner than later

 

[UncleRico]

You continually fail to put the Taylor Hall trade in context. The flat cap had teams paying to open up space all over the place. The Hall trade - with term - opened up space without costing any assets. At the time, that was a big win and very necessary given the Bruins structure.

You are failing to recognize Sweeney’s poor cap management resulted in having to trade Taylor hall for almost nothing.

 

[NDiesel]

It very minimally has to do with the cup, but not winning a cup is some of the factor. It has much more to do with giving up Taylor Hall and 2 years of draft assets to only have Andrew Peeke remaining from using those assets over the past 16 months.

If they still had players from those trades on the roster and providing it’s a completely different story.

We aren't even talking about the Hall trade whatsoever

 

[Number8]

Assuming Sweeney lands a #1 center, I’m fine with Coyle at 2C with Marchand and a Panarin type RW (Neccas/ Stamkos?)

I like the idea of Necas or Stamkos, but good lord I hope they are not a "panarin type RW".

Panarin was soft and cowardly in the playoffs. Seriously. Not seen many players consistently give up the puck because of bailing out on contact as Panarin did in the Florida series. If I was a Ranger teammate, I'd be livid at him.

 

[UncleRico]

We aren't even talking about the Hall trade whatsoever

Well I am. I am specifically talking about Sweeney’s poor asset management.

Fee free to see your way out of the conversation or just reply to the part of the conversation that you feel applies to whatever you are talking about.

 

[Number8]

You are failing to recognize Sweeney’s poor cap management resulted in having to trade Taylor hall for almost nothing.

We went for it last year. I've been critical of Sweeney in the past (the center issue looming bugged me) but he built a dynamo last year and then went after it hard at TDL which I fully supported.

If we won the Cup last year, none of us would give two shits about having to trade off assets for almost nothing.

Shit I'm still feeling some of the joy of 2011. That's what 39 years of waiting will do to a boy/man (and yes, there was basically a generation between a very young and a middle aged Number8 seeing a Cup in Boston).

 

[Fenian24]

Do you guys think Poitras will be in the AHL for most the season next year? ... Now that he's eligible for the minors and just came off surgery

I do, assuming they add a top six center

 

[UncleRico]

We went for it last year. I've been critical of Sweeney in the past (the center issue looming bugged me) but he built a dynamo last year and then went after it hard at TDL which I fully supported.

If we won the Cup last year, none of us would give two shits about having to trade off assets for almost nothing.

Shit I'm still feeling some of the joy of 2011. That's what 39 years of waiting will do to a boy/man (and yes, there was basically a generation between a very young and a middle aged Number8 seeing a Cup in Boston).

Ya no kidding welcome to the real world.

He would get applauded if it worked out. And if it fails and he doesn’t retain any of the return then it’s a failure.

You don’t get to only be praised for your success and failures ignored.

 

[Tbaybruin]

I think he can be a top 6 winger but there are concerns. I love Frederic but his inconsistency, both in his physical play and offense, is a concern. He in no way should be the toughest Bruin forward. Get 2 of Duhaime, Sherwood, Maroon or deal for Olivier to take the pressure off of Frederic. I think with his shot and decent skating, mixed with more consistent physical play, he could easily fill out a top 6 role.

Sign Lindholm and Kane or Marchessault to go along with Marchand, Pasta, Zacha and try Frederic in the top six, if it works you may well have a 25 goal 5o point physical winger, literally a Tom Wilson light when he was playing his best.

Frederic-Zacha-Pasta
Marchand-Lindholm-Marchessault/Kane

Freddy can fight but isn’t a big hitter. He never was. He is who he is. I like him.

 

[Number8]

Ya no kidding welcome to the real world.

He would get applauded if it worked out. And if it fails and he doesn’t retain any of the return then it’s a failure.

You don’t get to only be praised for your success and failures ignored.

Don't be a dick.

I just said that the reason Hall was let go for nothing was that we went all in last year. Not because of bad asset management. Go for it all and win you're a hero. Lose and you pay the price.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Ya no kidding welcome to the real world.

He would get applauded if it worked out. And if it fails and he doesn’t retain any of the return then it’s a failure.

You don’t get to only be praised for your success and failures ignored.

It wasn't Sweeney's failure.

He did his job.

Coach and players failed.

 

[UncleRico]

Don't be a dick.

I just said that the reason Hall was let go for nothing was that we went all in last year. Not because of bad asset management. Go for it all and win you're a hero. Lose and you pay the price.

It was absolutely poor cap management due to signing 4th liners like Nick foligno, and 3rd pairing D like forbort and Mike Reilly.

1/8th of the cap going to replacement level players. That doesn’t even include regular postseason healthy scratches like gryz.

 

[Number8]

It was absolutely poor cap management due to signing 4th liners like Nick foligno, and 3rd pairing D like forbort and Mike Reilly.

1/8th of the cap going to replacement level players. That doesn’t even include regular postseason healthy scratches like gryz.

OK. Now use your own barometer of assessing successes as well as failures.

Look at the very good contracts on the B's. I'd do it for you, but I think it would be a good learning exercise for you to do it yourself.

 

[UncleRico]

It wasn't Sweeney's failure.

He did his job.

Coach and players failed.

If we took a poll when he got the GM role and it asked “would you view Sweeneys term a failure if after 9 years he only made it pats the 2nd round of the playoffs one time”

The answer would be an overwhelming yes.

 

[bruinmann77]

DS did a good job with the Cap he had but he also was a cause of getting into that issue

 

[Dizzay]

Reading all this jibber jabber about Sweeney being a good GM or not makes me want to go start painting a room in my house that doesn't need painting and then proceeding to watch it dry.

Who cares about Sweeney, jesus! Love/like/hate him......he's here running this team so can we focus on the players and not the suits.

 

[goldenblack]

I mean he made the bigs this year. I don't see any reason to keep him down unless he's still injured.

I believe that he made the bigs because

1) He couldn't play in the AHL
2) They didn't think he'd gain much in juniors
3) We needed help at C

Just a perfect storm. It didn't take long for them to start resting/load balancing him. I dunno...it'll be close I think. Let's say it won't be a slam dunk he's in the 12F at the start.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

It wasn't Sweeney's failure.

He did his job.

Coach and players failed.

Sweeney is the one who picks the coach and players.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

You are failing to recognize Sweeney’s poor cap management resulted in having to trade Taylor hall for almost nothing.

Because you consider keeping Bergeron and Krejci on the 23/23 roster the way he did as poor cap management. I don't agree.

 

[UncleRico]

Because you consider keeping Bergeron and Krejci on the 23/23 roster the way he did as poor cap management. I don't agree.

No I consider paying 4th liners and 3rd pairing D like foligno, Mike Reilly and forbort 1/8th of the cap as poor cap management. Which in return forced the bruins to pay bergy/krejci in future cap and trade hall for pennies

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Come on what? you think third line winger I think fourth line center. You coach your team and I will coach mine, lol

I think Coyle stinks but at least Im keeping him in my line up.

The NHL isn't the final 8 teams. Its made up of 32 teams. You clearly don't watch the entire NHL when you make statements like that.