GDT: 2023 Upper Deck NHL Draft: 1st Round, June 28, 7 p.m. et | ESPN, SN, TVAS: Nashville, TN

[Kennerback]

OK.... LAY it on the table
honest ? here

How does anyone know that Michkov will be a 90+ point guy... I mean that seems what even the scouts may say or us.....

can we gamble that is true? sincere ? here....

How? Because scoring so many goals seemingly at will is something that’s ingrained. A 6’4 player won’t become 5’8 in the NHL. Fantilli won’t suddenly skate like McCarron in the pros.

 

[RandomTask26]

If the Habs do trade down, I wonder if they target Wood. Definitely taking a home run swing there on potential

I also think Moore could be a fit. They seem to be prioritizing pace and motor and he definitely fits that. I read somewhere that he’d be a top 10 skater in the NHL if he was playing there right now

 

[Nedved]

Yes but:

He’s sMaLl, he doesn’t play dEfEnSe, he’s sLoW, can’t speak fReNcH, fait des jeux iNdIvIdUaLiSsE, bad cHaRaCtEr, will resign in kHL, terrible fashion sEnSE, looks oVeRwEiGhT

What else am I missing

terrible fashion sense, lol, I actually thought that with his arrival in NY photo. I thought, jesus, is Russia trapped in the 1990s.

 

[Paddy17]

I am kind of hoping teams end up overthinking things and Carlsson drops to us.

I certainly wouldn't trade the pick before knowing who's left on the board, even if the offer was enticing.

 

[waitin425]

So, if Michkov is the second best player in the draft, why would the teams ahead of the habs (except for Chicago) pass on him? And why is that reason not sufficient for the habs to go with someone else?

Seriously?

Where you been?

3 year contract in Russia.

Russian factor.

No Guarantee he will come over after the 3 years.

It is all about comfort level taking that risk at this point. If the others pass, it is likely due to those factors above plus limited viewings/knowledge.

I would love us to risk it all.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

What I don't get is if Michkov is this good why is he falling to us?

And if 3 teams are that worried about the Russia thing then why shouldn't we?

I'm legit asking. It's just weird to me that he's Bedard level apparently yet he can fall that far.

 

[Michelangelo]

So, if Michkov is the second best player in the draft, why would the teams ahead of the habs (except for Chicago) pass on him? And why is that reason not sufficient for the habs to go with someone else?

Because although he may be perceived as the 2nd best player, the tier in which he finds himself in also contains 3 other players in Carlsson, Fantilli, Smith.

The drop-off to the next tier then follows this top 5 (including Bedard).

 

[waitin425]

What I don't get is if Michkov is this good why is he falling to us?

And if 3 teams are that worried about the Russia thing then why shouldn't we?

I'm legit asking. It's just weird to me that he's Bedard level apparently yet he can fall that far.

See above. Also, add in the teams above us, covet a centre.

 

[Koivu11]

What I don't get is if Michkov is this good why is he falling to us?

And if 3 teams are that worried about the Russia thing then why shouldn't we?

I'm legit asking. It's just weird to me that he's Bedard level apparently yet he can fall that far.

It’s because the others in the top 5 have top end skills in their own right but come with more certainty.

 

[Kennerback]

So they draft Slaf saying it would be a win if they didn't push for size later on and now Dreger says having Newhook now means there are too many smaller players if they take Michkov.

How about this idea? Who cares about RHP, Farrel or Newhook. If size is an issue, you keep the ones who matter, likely Caufield and Michkov. The rest can be dealt.

To think because Habs took Newhook they can’t take Michkov, makes me believe Dreger thinks Habs management are complete idiots. Maybe Dreger knows something we don’t know about their intellectual swiftness.

 

[NORiculous]

OK.... LAY it on the table
honest ? here

How does anyone know that Michkov will be a 90+ point guy... I mean that seems what even the scouts may say or us.....

can we gamble that is true? sincere ? here....

No one knows.

But if you look at the skill, he has more skill then say Matt Boldy, who has some nice moves. Michkov looks like an upside down pyramid, a little like Mats Naslund was. But he is bigger than Naslund. Michkov probably ends up 5’ 11”, which is fine.

I have not problem believing he can be an 90+ pts guy.

 

[ottawa]

What I don't get is if Michkov is this good why is he falling to us?

And if 3 teams are that worried about the Russia thing then why shouldn't we?

I'm legit asking. It's just weird to me that he's Bedard level apparently yet he can fall that far.

Because at some point reward > risk and that's around the 5th overall mark given that the 4 expected to go before him aren't available anymore.

 

[Andy]

Because although he may be perceived as the 2nd best player, the tier in which he finds himself in also contains 3 other players in Carlsson, Fantilli, Smith.

The drop-off to the next tier then follows this top 5 (including Bedard).

So the drop off from Bedard, Fantilli, Smith, Carlsson and Michkov is that massive in a "deep draft"?

 

[Andrei79]

Yes but:

He’s sMaLl, he doesn’t play dEfEnSe, he’s sLoW, can’t speak fReNcH, fait des jeux iNdIvIdUaLiSsE, bad cHaRaCtEr, will resign in kHL, terrible fashion sEnSE, looks oVeRwEiGhT

What else am I missing

He's not that slow for his age. But, he's weak physically still.

What I don't get is if Michkov is this good why is he falling to us?

And if 3 teams are that worried about the Russia thing then why shouldn't we?

I'm legit asking. It's just weird to me that he's Bedard level apparently yet he can fall that far.

The counterpoint to that is why are teams behind seemingly so aggressively trying to get that 5th spot. The risk/reward sweet spot for MM seems to be 5th.

 

[HabzSauce]

So, if Michkov is the second best player in the draft, why would the teams ahead of the habs (except for Chicago) pass on him? And why is that reason not sufficient for the habs to go with someone else?

Because michkov might not even want to play in those said teams OR maybe teams don't want to wait 3 years

 

[Kennerback]

What I don't get is if Michkov is this good why is he falling to us?

And if 3 teams are that worried about the Russia thing then why shouldn't we?

I'm legit asking. It's just weird to me that he's Bedard level apparently yet he can fall that far.

It’s exactly why when Jagr was available at 5OA, the Penguins should have been much more suspicious before drafting him.

 

[Andrei79]

To think because Habs took Newhook they can’t take Michkov, makes me believe Dreger thinks Habs management are complete idiots. Maybe Dreger knows something we don’t know about their intellectual swiftness.

It's a nonsensical argument, whether it's Dreger or Habs management doing it. They don't even know Newhooks role on the team, much less in 3 years.

 

[JuicyHam]

Imagining this boards reaction if we keep pick 5 and selected Dvorsky.

I imagine the website will stop working long before the pick is even announced

 

[RationalExpectations]

terrible fashion sense, lol, I actually thought that with his arrival in NY photo. I thought, jesus, is Russia trapped in the 1990s.

Pulling it off with no fashion sense shows confidence. Draft him.

 

[sampollock]

IF Kent trades down, fine... but I want and hope he gains a pick and a really good prospect.
should not trade down, just for a extra pick, who cares , they need to build now. not in 5 years

 

[Adam Michaels]

Now that we got Dreger, I really want to hear what Pagnotta has to say.

 

[The Nightman]

IF we are indeed not taking Michkov, which that seems like the direction where we’re heading.

The 22nd pick does not entice me enough to lose Leonard in favour of Reinbacher or Dvorsky. I personally have a gap in quality between Leonard and those two, and the only way that could be bridged value wise is if we entered Willander territory with a drop down pick, which would be around the 15 range.

One again, just a personal take from watching the u18s and reading a few draft guides/reports. Benson would be closer to Leonard than Dvorsky and Reinbacher for me, but after the Newhook acquisition I have a difficult time seeing us trading down and selecting another small player in a similar type of mold. Even though I think Benson will considerably better than Newhook.

It would take some sort of assurance that Leonard would still be there at 7. Because then it would become a no brainer to drop down in my opinion. It all depends on what Arizona is thinking at that point.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

My libido will be perturbed for the foreseeable future.

 

[neopreneur]

I'm looking forward to the "behind the scenes" video after the draft. Mostly hoping for another epic Bobrov's monologue about how hockey historians are paying attention to what the prospect managed to achieve. (e.g. )

So, in that regard, we should be thinking about the prospect that would help yield the best out of Bobrov.
I firmly believe that Michkov would bring the best out of Bobrov.

Here's what I'm imagining:
"Ladies and gentlemen, brace yourselves for the revelation that is Matvei Michkov, the hockey sensation who is all set to alter the course of the game's future. His statistics are awe-inspiring, his skill set, utterly mesmerizing and his potential, positively limitless.

This isn't a greenhorn we're talking about, folks, but a young colossus in the making who has made grown men in the field question their abilities. His shot, without any shadow of doubt, is NHL ready and the power and precision behind it could shatter the confidence of the most experienced goalie. One must acknowledge the undeniable. Michkov's talent is more potent than a power play. He plays with the finesse of a seasoned pro and the audacity of a young star who's not afraid to challenge norms.

Get ready, folks! Matvei Michkov is not just a rising star, he's the comet that's about to light up the NHL's universe. A new era is on the horizon, and its harbinger? Matvei Michkov." - Nick Bobrov, probably

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

Too much small players is bullshit, that's why trades exist, if you have a special talent like Michkov, nothing is stopping you to trade one of your other talented smaller players except Caufield.