WJC: 2023 Team Canada Roster Talk Part 2

[ORRFForever]

If Bedard a scores on that attempt and team wins no one has issue. Haaaa!
Then that could be said about every dumb, stupid, blind, or show boating move ever made.


Very healthy loss

Agree. Best thing that could have happened.

 

[rielledup]

Sure it could ......"hey coach, if I scored you wouldn't be yelling at me"

But by all means keep trying cause it worked once in peewee.
And hey .... try that play where you go from behind your own net and deke all 5 players out and score. Like Mario did in 91.

Its worked multiple times in the NHL recently

 

[ORRFForever]

Trying a "cutesy" play because they saw an opportunity to try something they thought had a high percentage of working in that situation. Again, you and all the other people calling it selfish or showboating are somehow assuming you know what was going inside the players heads when they tried that move.


No, that can't be said about every stupid play

I hate The Michigan. A few others (here) hate it as well but we are in the minority. I just hope the coach believes like I do and outlaws that crap.

Bedard will fit in well in Anahiem ......with the other globe trotters .
Who win a game a month .

Well said. Great post.

 

[PaulD]

Its worked multiple times in the NHL recently

And you will get flack when the
Showboating doesn't work.........New to hockey?

Go ahead and try it super star.
But don't also expect everyone to keep quiet when ya miss. Chirping green light.
As anyone who spent any time in the hockey dressing room knows.

 

[ORRFForever]

And you will get flack when the
Showboating doesn't work.........New to hockey?

Go ahead and try it super star.
But don't also expect everyone to keep quiet when ya miss. Chirping green light.
As anyone who spent any time in a hockey dreesing room knows.

If they want to do it in the CHL or NCAA or NHL fine, knock yourself out.

Do NOT do it in a 2 week tournament. Especially do NOT do it in the playoffs where it is one loss and you are out.

 

[Daximus]

And you will get flack when the
Showboating doesn't work.........New to hockey?

Go ahead and try it super star.
But don't also expect everyone to keep quiet when ya miss. Chirping green light.
As anyone who spent any time in a hockey dreesing room knows.

Yeah that's my thoughts on it as well. I have no problem with players giving it a shot. But you better f***ing score when you do it. Otherwise it's a dead play and you likely just gave up possession when you could have been working the cycle and wearing the other teams down.

You can't have it both ways. You get the glory when you score but you better be ready for the shame when you don't. Especially when you fail at it multiple times in the same game.

 

[ORRFForever]

Yeah that's my thoughts on it as well. I have no problem with players giving it a shot. But you better f***ing score when you do it. Otherwise it's a dead play and you likely just gave up possession when you could have been working the cycle and wearing the other teams down.

You can't have it both ways. You get the glory when you score but you better be ready for the shame when you don't. Especially when you fail at it multiple times in the same game.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the 2 youngest players tried that crap. They need to get their priorities straight.

I prefer Stankoven's attitude. Put the team first by playing sound hockey and bust your ass. That's the attitude that wins Gold for Canada.

 

[rielledup]

And you will get flack when the
Showboating doesn't work.........New to hockey?

Go ahead and try it super star.
But don't also expect everyone to keep quiet when ya miss. Chirping green light.
As anyone who spent any time in a hockey dreesing room knows.

What don't you understand about the fact that it isn't showboating? It's a legitimate way to try and score.

Yeah that's my thoughts on it as well. I have no problem with players giving it a shot. But you better f***ing score when you do it. Otherwise it's a dead play and you likely just gave up possession when you could have been working the cycle and wearing the other teams down.

You can't have it both ways. You get the glory when you score but you better be ready for the shame when you don't. Especially when you fail at it multiple times in the same game.

Yea, if you take a low percentage shot from the point you better make sure it goes in because you might lose possession.

 

[PaulD]

What don't you understand about the fact that it isn't showboating? It's a legitimate way to try and score.


Yea, if you take a low percentage shot from the point you better make sure it goes in because you might lose possession.

It ain't me who doesn't understand.

Time and place Einstein....time and place.

 

[rielledup]

It ain't me who doesn't understand.

Time and place Einstein....time and place.

You have presented zero evidence to suggest it's showboating. For some reason you think it's impossible that someone might try that move because they think it's a legit way to try and score from the position they're in.

 

[Daximus]

What don't you understand about the fact that it isn't showboating? It's a legitimate way to try and score.


Yea, if you take a low percentage shot from the point you better make sure it goes in because you might lose possession.

There are chances your teammates can get involved on that though. Could be a rebound or a tip, you can go back to the corner to retrieve it. And it doesn't look like you're trying to outclass your opponent and then lose 5-2 and look like a complete tool in the process.

 

[nbwingsfan]

* Selfish : If your trying to scoop the puck, you're not looking to pass it to another player. You're trying a cutesy play.

* Showboating : self evident

Re : "That opinion is backed by absolutely nothing other than your feelings about how you think hockey should be played."

That's fair.

If you’re trying to shoot the puck, you’re not looking to pass to another player. Selfish, selfish goal scorers.

Players should be continuously passing the puck to each other until one accidentally passes it off a teammates ass into the net.

At that point he should apologize to his teammate for scoring and but him dinner and maybe a new cat?

Am I doing this right?

I'm starting to think TSN compared the wrong team to 2005.

I agree. Bedard needs to concentrate on being a team player. He can't do it all.

Did you see how many glorious chances he set up for his teammates as well?

 

[Daximus]

You have presented zero evidence to suggest it's showboating. For some reason you think it's impossible that someone might try that move because they think it's a legit way to try and score from the position they're in.

It's more of the insult that gets added to the move. Look I love it when it works but when it doesn't work and you keep trying to embarass your opponent and then lose 5-2 you just look bad. It's what happens with stuff like that. It's like showboating on your way to a TD only to get tackled and fumble the ball and lose posession.

It's a move that shows you have zero respect for your opponent and you think you can just toy with them. You look like a giant loser when you try it multiple times and keep failing at it while losing 5-2.

 

[prongertheman9]

You have presented zero evidence to suggest it's showboating. For some reason you think it's impossible that someone might try that move because they think it's a legit way to try and score from the position they're in.

These boomers that are arguing with you are absolutely lost. Both of the attempts were done in stride with no clear better option available. Bedard’s in particular was executed to perfection, other than the goalie defended it really well. If you can create a good scoring chance out of nothing from behind the net why not try it. It has nothing to do with showboating and everything to do with the fact that they both had good setups to try it to score.

 

[PaulD]

You have presented zero evidence to suggest it's showboating. For some reason you think it's impossible that someone might try that move because they think it's a legit way to try and score from the position they're in.

Agree to disagree .

Evidence?

 

[ORRFForever]

If you’re trying to shoot the puck, you’re not looking to pass to another player. Selfish, selfish goal scorers.

Players should be continuously passing the puck to each other until one accidentally passes it off a teammates ass into the net.

At that point he should apologize to his teammate for scoring and but him dinner and maybe a new cat?

Am I doing this right?


Did you see how many glorious chances he set up for his teammates as well?

???

Agree to disagree .

Evidence?

Showboating is in the eye of the beholder. I am not sure what point the other posters are trying to make. If they think it's not showboating, God bless em.

Agree to disagree, as you said.

 

[PaulD]

???


Showboating is in the eye of the beholder. I am not sure what point the other posters are trying to make. If they think it's not showboating, God bless em.

Agree to disagree, as you said.

Yes. But poster was was asking me for "evidence" ...... ya gotta laugh

 

[rielledup]

There are chances your teammates can get involved on that though. Could be a rebound or a tip, you can go back to the corner to retrieve it. And it doesn't look like you're trying to outclass your opponent and then lose 5-2 and look like a complete tool in the process.

The chances of a Michigan going in on the initial attempt are much higher when executed as well as bedard did it and there are also opportunities for a teammate to jam it in. It also has nothing to do with trying to outclass or disrespect your opponent.

 

[Leviathan899]

Disagree. I thought Bedard played well. He was Canada's most dangerous player by far.

I wasn’t saying he wasn’t dangerous, he was, but that alone isn’t enough to make it a good game. The other side of the puck means just as much and it wasn’t a good game in that regard for him. I’m not saying he was bad, but he wasn’t great in my opinion.

 

[rielledup]

Yes. But poster was was asking me for "evidence" ...... ya gotta laugh

Showboating has to do with the intention of the player doing the play that you think is showboating. You obviously have no way of knowing what Bedards intentions were

 

[Daximus]

The chances of a Michigan going in on the initial attempt are much higher when executed as well as bedard did it and there are also opportunities for a teammate to jam it in. It also has nothing to do with trying to outclass or disrespect your opponent.

That's what happens on the ice though, Has nothing to do with how fans feel about it. When you get scored on with a michigan it's f***ing deflating as hell.

I mean if it's such a legit play whey not just keep skating behind the net and trying it every time? Why do anything else but just setup Michigans time and time again?

Showboating has to do with the intention of the player doing the play that you think is showboating. You obviously have no way of knowing what Bedards intentions were

Oh Bedard was 100% trying to embarrass them. Zero doubt about that in my mind. That's just the type of player he is. Dude has a swagger and he isn't afraid to show it. It's part of what I like about the kid but you gotta bury those. Because you look terrible if you don't and then get your ass handed to you on a platter 5-2.

 

[ORRFForever]

Yes. But poster was was asking me for "evidence" ...... ya gotta laugh

That's why I no longer argue on HF. There is no upside and no winning - everyone is so dug in.

I wasn’t saying he wasn’t dangerous, he was, but that alone isn’t enough to make it a good game. The other side of the puck means just as much and it wasn’t a good game in that regard for him. I’m not saying he was bad, but he wasn’t great in my opinion.

Fair enough.

 

[Leviathan899]

What's your reasoning?

I’m with him on that one. To me, sure it looks pretty cool and at first it was very rare to see it attempted that it had a certain novelty to it I guess. But personally, I don’t find it fun to watch nor do I even consider it creative. Creativity in hockeu to me at least, is all about puck movement and utilizing your teammates, not a one man show play. I think it also shows how the game is becoming easier, not harder. Hockey is such an appealing and fun sport because of how skill can shine through in the face of physical and tough defence, otherwise skill just doesn’t wow me or keep me excited. I love skill but seeing it in the face of limited adversity just falls pretty flat for me. I coach a u16AAA team and I’m telling you, 90% of them feel similar about it and wish hockey would lose some of the Instagram highlight appeal. I do understand the “new age” fans of hockey just want skill, skill and more skill, but skill itself isn’t impressive, it’s can you execute despite the fact the other team is going to punish you if you don’t execute properly. I just strongly dislike how the argument always diverts to young vs old, as if “boomers” have no idea what they’re talking about, which often is laughable. I’m not even saying to stop doing the Michigan, but I truly think it should only be attempted minimally and if no other play is an option, as it’s not really a great chance to score, despite it looking neat. Coming around the net and hitting a D coming downhill for a one timer or going for a back door pass or tap in is usually the better play, but I get everyone sees someone like Kent Johnson pull it off in august and they want to be on the highlight reel themselves. Guarantee if a player on a team tries this and fails, and the team doesn’t win or that player plays a weak game, his teammates are going to resent them. I’ve seen that be the case a lot recently at the u16 level.

 

[ORRFForever]

Oh Bedard was 100% trying to embarrass them. Zero doubt about that in my mind. That's just the type of player he is. Dude has a swagger and he isn't afraid to show it. It's part of what I like about the kid but you gotta bury those. Because you look terrible if you don't and then get your ass handed to you on a platter 5-2.

 

[ORRFForever]

Sincere question to all the posters who see no problem with The Michigan (God, I HATE that name)...

If you were Team Canada's coach, would you let the players continue to play like they did on Monday night or force them to buckle down and play "old hard Canadian dump and chase hockey"?

I won't argue with your answer. I'm just curious.