Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk XI

[DominicT]

If I had to guess I would say there are more players who "get it" as far as what this process is and the intent of it and don't let it affect their future decision making a great deal. You read about these horror stories where the player was almost brought to tears (I can't recall the players name) but hearings like that are likely the exception.

I always wondered, are the players required to attend the hearing? Or can they sit at home and just let their agent do their thing?

Mike Milbury brought Tommy Salo to tears in his arbitration case against the Islanders.

Usually in attendance are the arbitrator, the GM and team lawyer, the player and his agent and the NHLPA and their lawyers. The league itself is not part of the proceedings but they go over the written submissions beforehand to make sure everything is "in order".

Every player should know how the proceeding works. Every good agent, in this case Swayman's should be saying "hey look, their offer was (insert whatever number between 3-3.5 million) and that's what they are hoping for. We know the arbitrator is going to come in somewhere in the middle so let's go in high at $4.8 million and the team will come in very low. Be prepared because it's not going to be pretty in there but in the end, we'll come to a number that we can accept."

At least I hope they would do that.

And yes, they are required to attend.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Too many people view Carlo as a spare part.

If they send Carlo off as part of package Bruins will be in for rude surprise H Lindholm numbers will tumble without Carlo. As in the past if Mac gets injured Carlo is the only one capable of stepping up to the first pair.

Especially given Bergeron, Krejci and Nosek not returning. McAvoy has played 1 year
70 plus games and Lindholm will be a FA at end of year. Really, really bad move.

 

[Hookslide]

I'll boo him at his memorial as well.

Honesty counts for something.........

 

[BruinDust]

Mike Milbury brought Tommy Salo to tears in his arbitration case against the Islanders.

Usually in attendance are the arbitrator, the GM and team lawyer, the player and his agent and the NHLPA and their lawyers. The league itself is not part of the proceedings but they go over the written submissions beforehand to make sure everything is "in order".

Every player should know how the proceeding works. Every good agent, in this case Swayman's should be saying "hey look, their offer was (insert whatever number between 3-3.5 million) and that's what they are hoping for. We know the arbitrator is going to come in somewhere in the middle so let's go in high at $4.8 million and the team will come in very low. Be prepared because it's not going to be pretty in there but in the end, we'll come to a number that we can accept."

At least I hope they would do that.

And yes, they are required to attend.

I knew it was Swedish-born goalie. Tommy Salo, that's going back a ways. I think I read about that in my subscribed paper copy of The Hockey News.

Interesting the player is required to be in attendance as I could see some players saying "nah, I'm good, just get it done" to their agent.

Thanks for this.

 

[mar2kbos]

Forbort!

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Honestly if they want to reallt give a young guy to use Lorhei might be able to handle that position. Forbort would definitely be the guy id move. Problem is does anyone want him.

 

[Fenian24]

You've booed Jacobs plenty of times yourself.

Planning on dressing up as the devil on the day he dies with a sign saying "Welcome home Jeremy "

 

[Blowfish]

Especially given Bergeron, Krejci and Nosek not returning. McAvoy has played 1 year
70 plus games and Lindholm will be a FA at end of year. Really, really bad move.

I understand why the team would be crazy including Carlo in a trade however like all trades all depends on the return.

 

[mar2kbos]

If the Bruins and Frederic don't reach a deal, I hope their filings get leaked today. I think we'd have a bigger WTF moment than we did with the Swayman/Bruins numbers - even knowing how the process works.

Yep, but that’s arbitration for ya. Both with highball and lowball offers most likely. That’s where the arb basically splits the two 9 times out of 10

 

[Hookslide]

You do you and I'll do me . Way easier to put up good numbers behind Boston's D than Toronto's.

Just as an example, Toronto's D gave up about 50 more goals than the Bruins last season yet they had very similar numbers, that's gotta be worth something.

Does Toronto's forwards get any of the blame on the defensive side , and will it be any better with Bertuzzi and Domi...........

 

[Blowfish]

Planning on dressing up as the devil on the day he dies with a sign saying "Welcome home Jeremy "

How can one not think of this guy when it comes to Mr Jacobs.

Does Toronto's forwards get any of the blame on the defensive side , and will it be any better with Bertuzzi and Domi...........

YES! and BIG NO!

 

[DKH]

Does Toronto's forwards get any of the blame on the defensive side , and will it be any better with Bertuzzi and Domi...........

Keefe won’t be experimenting how Leafs lines will look up 3-1 against Bruins

 

[sarge88]

We have 0.0 replacements

Anything before but I have always considered BS - I have trained myself to look for a ‘but’ and then look left

Who you getting Lindholm? Who becomes the second RD first PK end of period guy,

Shattenkirk? Walsh? Mitchell ?

Um no

Who replaces DeBrusk 37 goals in last 82 games on wing ?

Steen? Lauko ?

You basically bought a nice shed and sold your second car and washer and dryer

They can wait on Lindholm if price high - basically the entire league is sitting on one or two 7.5- 10 M centers

I spent time going thru Cap Friendly - good kick finding a team that fits like Boston

Bruins have 0.0 back up in organization for Carlo & DeBrusk

Up to Lindholm in end

If he wants to play in Minnesota he will
If he wants to play here he will
If he wants to resign with Calgary he can

Calgary is porked here - like Iginla all over and what they got was a joke

Bruins should be a playoff team and the trade deadline is over 7 months away

No harm seeing where Geekie Lysell Poitras Metkulov Beecher Lauko steen Mclaughlin etc all are February 28

And Lindholm isn’t the only guy out there

Sweens should chill unless the price is like Orlov

Hanifin might be better now - lock up the D for foreseeable future

Bottom line Bruins in a very good spot but trading DeBrusk & Carlo are crazy to me wihout a legit well thought out backup plan

I’ve seen none here that would grade anything higher then an F-

 

[rick1bsfan]

With Bergy gone and Krejci still not on board to return, I think a low cost pick up like Toews for $1-2 million plus incentives would help us out of a short term issue. Cap raises next season so no problems picking up a younger longer term Center to fill the voids. If healthy Jonathan could easily put 50-70 points with our forwards.

 

[sarge88]

Who you getting Lindholm? Who becomes the second RD first PK end of period guy,

Shattenkirk? Walsh? Mitchell ?

Um no

Who replaces DeBrusk 37 goals in last 82 games on wing ?

Steen? Lauko ?

You basically bought a nice shed and sold your second car and washer and dryer

They can wait on Lindholm if price high - basically the entire league is sitting on one or two 7.5- 10 M centers

I spent time going thru Cap Friendly - good kick finding a team that fits like Boston

Bruins have 0.0 back up in organization for Carlo & DeBrusk

Up to Lindholm in end

If he wants to play in Minnesota he will
If he wants to play here he will
If he wants to resign with Calgary he can

Calgary is porked here - like Iginla all over and what they got was a joke

Bruins should be a playoff team and the trade deadline is over 7 months away

No harm seeing where Geekie Lysell Poitras Metkulov Beecher Lauko steen Mclaughlin etc all are February 28

And Lindholm isn’t the only guy out there

Sweens should chill unless the price is like Orlov

Hanifin might be better now - lock up the D for foreseeable future

Bottom line Bruins in a very good spot but trading DeBrusk & Carlo are crazy to me wihout a legit well thought out backup plan

I’ve seen none here that would grade anything higher then an F-

I‘m looking long term. I have no faith Lindholm comes here via FA. There are just too many GM’s willing to make a better offer.

I’d rather he come this year preferably including an extension, and then we have a legit 1C for the next 3-6 years,

If it’s short term we’re worried about. JDB and Carlo sends out 8+ million Lindholm is around 5.

Use that 3 toward a defenseman to replace Carlo via trade or expand the deal with Calgary to get Hannafin.

In the end, I’d be much more comfortable knowing that we have a legit 1C in the fold, especially with the better cap situation they will have next year, than I would having JDB and Carlo, without a legit 1C.

 

[Blowfish]

 

[Kegs]

I also want lindholm. But I’ll be shocked if they land him. I bet there is quietly a bidding war for him. Some teams have a lot of assets to trade. Off the top of my head LA and the sens I feel like can both make really nice offers. We will see.

 

[Blowfish]

I also want lindholm. But I’ll be shocked if they land him. I bet there is quietly a bidding war for him. Some teams have a lot of assets to trade. Off the top of my head LA and the sens I feel like can both make really nice offers. We will see.

Sabres worry me but then again I like the Sabres (Residing near Buffalo hard not to like them - plus good fans and wings).

That team is going to be some good soon. Must have the best young team in the league with loads of talented prospects. Easy for them to build a contender but they can't wait forever.

 

[dugg133]

Mike Milbury brought Tommy Salo to tears in his arbitration case against the Islanders.

Usually in attendance are the arbitrator, the GM and team lawyer, the player and his agent and the NHLPA and their lawyers. The league itself is not part of the proceedings but they go over the written submissions beforehand to make sure everything is "in order".

Every player should know how the proceeding works. Every good agent, in this case Swayman's should be saying "hey look, their offer was (insert whatever number between 3-3.5 million) and that's what they are hoping for. We know the arbitrator is going to come in somewhere in the middle so let's go in high at $4.8 million and the team will come in very low. Be prepared because it's not going to be pretty in there but in the end, we'll come to a number that we can accept."

At least I hope they would do that.

And yes, they are required to attend.

I was listening to a podcast that Bill Guerin did with Mike Russo from the Athletic and they mentioned kinda offhand that the arb process has changed in recent years. Mentioned that it's not like a court case anymore where there's a lot of arguing, instead you just hand in your brief and keep things statistical based. I wonder if that's why the bruins seem willing to let both Freddy and Swayman actually go to arb, less chance of hurt feelings like there would've been not too long ago.

 

[DiggityDog]

Mike Milbury brought Tommy Salo to tears in his arbitration case against the Islanders.

Usually in attendance are the arbitrator, the GM and team lawyer, the player and his agent and the NHLPA and their lawyers. The league itself is not part of the proceedings but they go over the written submissions beforehand to make sure everything is "in order".

Every player should know how the proceeding works. Every good agent, in this case Swayman's should be saying "hey look, their offer was (insert whatever number between 3-3.5 million) and that's what they are hoping for. We know the arbitrator is going to come in somewhere in the middle so let's go in high at $4.8 million and the team will come in very low. Be prepared because it's not going to be pretty in there but in the end, we'll come to a number that we can accept."

At least I hope they would do that.

And yes, they are required to attend.

Out of my own curiosity, what would the procedure be if the player were not to attend?

I’m sure it’s never happened, this is hypothetical. I’m just curious as to what the protocol is for such an instance.

 

[DominicT]

I was listening to a podcast that Bill Guerin did with Mike Russo from the Athletic and they mentioned kinda offhand that the arb process has changed in recent years. Mentioned that it's not like a court case anymore where there's a lot of arguing, instead you just hand in your brief and keep things statistical based. I wonder if that's why the bruins seem willing to let both Freddy and Swayman actually go to arb, less chance of hurt feelings like there would've been not too long ago.

Arbitration cases use to go on for hours. Now they are limited to 45 minutes and then 15 minute rebuttal once the other side presents their case. Still a room full of lawyers making sure the other side is sticking to what is allowable. I remember Guerin on a podcast talking about how his hearing lasted 9 hours.

 

[DKH]

I‘m looking long term. I have no faith Lindholm comes here via FA. There are just too many GM’s willing to make a better offer.

I’d rather he come this year preferably including an extension, and then we have a legit 1C for the next 3-6 years,

If it’s short term we’re worried about. JDB and Carlo sends out 8+ million Lindholm is around 5.

Use that 3 toward a defenseman to replace Carlo via trade or expand the deal with Calgary to get Hannafin.

In the end, I’d be much more comfortable knowing that we have a legit 1C in the fold, especially with the better cap situation they will have next year, than I would having JDB and Carlo, without a legit 1C.

Lindhom is tight with Looch & Hanny. Shatty & JVR spoke how players admire Bruins and want to play here

Lindholm to Boston makes to much sense and Sweens swings big

 

[DominicT]

Out of my own curiosity, what would the procedure be if the player were not to attend?

I’m sure it’s never happened, this is hypothetical. I’m just curious as to what the protocol is for such an instance.

Don't know. There is nothing in the CBA about it and no precedent. @Gee Wally may know because he has experience in arbitration, but I would imagine the arbitrator would side with the team. Just a guess.

 

[JOKER 192]

I also want lindholm. But I’ll be shocked if they land him. I bet there is quietly a bidding war for him. Some teams have a lot of assets to trade. Off the top of my head LA and the sens I feel like can both make really nice offers. We will see.

LA has PLD, Kopitar, Danault and Byfield
why would they need another C? It's great that they can make a great offer but why?

Sens have Stuzle, Giroux and Pinto don't really see a need for a C there either.

 

[Gordoff]

I‘m looking long term. I have no faith Lindholm comes here via FA. There are just too many GM’s willing to make a better offer.

I’d rather he come this year preferably including an extension, and then we have a legit 1C for the next 3-6 years,

If it’s short term we’re worried about. JDB and Carlo sends out 8+ million Lindholm is around 5.

Use that 3 toward a defenseman to replace Carlo via trade or expand the deal with Calgary to get Hannafin.

In the end, I’d be much more comfortable knowing that we have a legit 1C in the fold, especially with the better cap situation they will have next year, than I would having JDB and Carlo, without a legit 1C.

I agree and feel this way too along with most B's fans IMO.
We've been lucky to have 2 top #1 centers for years and years. We're addicted to what Bergeron (and other Centers) have brought for the last 20 years.
Bergeron, Krejci, Savard and a cast of character centers like Kelly, and even Greg Campbell. Pretty great talent.
Now, we're feeling lost without PB and DK, and knowing that they were aging out the front office kept kicking the can down the road.
As fans, we also knew that this day was coming and although we knew it we
were in denial that this eventuality was imminent.
Now it's here, and we're feeling empty, but it's a process. The Bruins have a few guys in the system coming up. They also signed some filler Centers.
They don't have the funds to fill the need right now and trading JDB and the first round pick in '25 just digs the hole deeper.
IMO we'll all be better off if we relax, let it play out and see what happens since in reality that's all we can do.
This is going to be an interesting season with question marks.
It's going to be a Hell of a roller coaster ride but it was due.
We all need to sit back and enjoy the ride since that's all that we can do.

 

[DKH]

LA has PLD, Kopitar, Danault and Byfield
why would they need another C? It's great that they can make a great offer but why?

Sens have Stuzle, Giroux and Pinto don't really see a need for a C there either.

Stutzle & Norris are their top 2 centers

They are paying them over $16 M

There is a better chance it will snow in Key West today than Lindholm signing with Ottawa or LA Kings