Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk XI

[Carl Hungus]

Lol
That’s what makes the world go round

not used to seeing civil endings to disagreements on hfboards

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Soooo... It's gonna be 3.4?

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

I hear you however extremely difficult to believe it wouldn't be used as comparable by someone involved.

But this is how it works. It's like the court of law.

Only certain things are admissable.

If the judge says stricken from the record, it means that that Samsonov's contract means nothing, even if it makes sense.

 

[SPV]

Soooo... It's gonna be 3.4?

Swayman is asking for nearly 5 million after just 88 games. Wow.

I figured the Samsonov award was pretty telling. I would think Swayman should get less than that, they had similar numbers last year, but Samsonov has played almost a full extra season.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

But this is how it works. It's like the court of law.

Only certain things are admissable.

If the judge says stricken from the record, it means that that Samsonov's contract means nothing, even if it makes sense.

Sorry for my mistrust in legal systems in general but there’s 100% this cat knows what Samsonov got.

 

[shelbysdad]

Curious.....

Rank these 5 prospects as to which ones you would be most likely to include in a trade (and I know a lot of you will just say I'd trade any of them)

Lysell
Locmelis
Poitras
Merkulov
Lohrei

I expect Merulov to get rated as most tradeable, but when I saw him (TV) in Ohio State games the guy is legit (I think he makes it this year)

 

[TCB]

Curious.....

Rank these 5 prospects as to which ones you would be most likely to include in a trade (and I know a lot of you will just say I'd trade any of them)

Lysell
Locmelis
Poitras
Merkulov
Lohrei

I expect Merulov to get rated as most tradeable, but when I saw him (TV) in Ohio State games the guy is legit (I think he makes it this year)

Your right I would trade any of them for the right price but from top to bottom 1 being the guy I'd most likely deal and 5 the least. But honestly ,this is only on highlights that I've seen, what I've heard and read on them. I've only seen lysell and Lohrei play and not enough to say so.

1)Locmelis
2)Merkulov
3)Lysell
4)Poitras
5)Lohrei

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Curious.....

Rank these 5 prospects as to which ones you would be most likely to include in a trade (and I know a lot of you will just say I'd trade any of them)

Lysell
Locmelis
Poitras
Merkulov
Lohrei

I expect Merulov to get rated as most tradeable, but when I saw him (TV) in Ohio State games the guy is legit (I think he makes it this year)

I’m not sure there’s a reasonable trade that would come across where I’d be comfortable trading a 6’5 220 pound defenseman. Sorry.

 

[JOKER 192]

Your right I would trade any of them for the right price but from top to bottom 1 being the guy I'd most likely deal and 5 the least. But honestly ,this is only on highlights that I've seen, what I've heard and read on them. I've only seen lysell and Lohrei play and not enough to say so.

1)Locmelis
2)Merkulov
3)Lysell
4)Poitras
5)Lohrei

That's my list

 

[mar2kbos]

Soooo... It's gonna be 3.4?

I said there is no way he is getting below 3. It will be mid to high 3s. Same with Frederic. Donnie may have to move another player out because both these guys are going to put them close to if not over the cap

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I said there is no way he is getting below 3. It will be mid to high 3s. Same with Frederic. Donnie may have to move another player out because both these guys are going to put them close to if not over the cap

Forbort!

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Curious.....

Rank these 5 prospects as to which ones you would be most likely to include in a trade (and I know a lot of you will just say I'd trade any of them)

Lysell
Locmelis
Poitras
Merkulov
Lohrei

I expect Merulov to get rated as most tradeable, but when I saw him (TV) in Ohio State games the guy is legit (I think he makes it this year)

1) Lysell
2) Merkulov
3) Locmelis
4) Poitras
5) Lohrei

Honestly I rank Lysell #1, because i think of the guys I might consider trading, i think he is the most valuable asset. I do think he will play in the NHL, but I fear he might become that 45 point 2nd/3rd line tweener, who doesn't play enough in his own end to be a 3rd liner, and just isn;t quite enough to be what you want on the second line offensively.

Merkulov I just can't imagine playing Center in this org, and from all accounts he has been much better as a C than as a wing. But maybe he surprises me and wins the 2nd line C job in September. Again like Lysell I suspect he is a top 6 or bust guy. I just can't see him developing on the 4th line for a year or two before moving up to 2nd line

Locmelis / Poitras. Honestly I think both of them are in a situation where there upside potential is so much higher than their trade value that I simply don't want to trade them for 10 cents on the dollar. Neither is a sure enough thing or has accomplished enough to be anything more than a lottery ticket thrown into a deal

Lohrei. I think he will be a top 4, maybe top 2 for a decade, and I simply don't want to give that up

 

[vjcsmoke]

Debrusk is UFA and no word he wants to return...Same for Lindholm.

I take my chances on a center named Lindholm versus the winger Debrusk ....A Debrusk trade should help lessen the blow to prospects/roster players.

Come trade deadline should the team be out of the playoffs Lindholm will garnish more than Debrusk.

The Bruins desperately need a #1 center with Bergeron's retirement.

I think Debrusk is great. But Lindholm is a great player at a position of NEED, so I'd make the Debrusk for Lindholm trade as long as the finances work. Any idea what Lindholm would want financially on an extension?

 

[GordonHowe]

Too many people view Carlo as a spare part.

If they send Carlo off as part of package Bruins will be in for rude surprise H Lindholm numbers will tumble without Carlo. As in the past if Mac gets injured Carlo is the only one capable of stepping up to the first pair.

I've been critical of Carlo and concerned about his extensive concussion history. Never considered him "a spare part," or even "meh." I haven't given him enough credit regardless.

You are likely correct here.

 

[DKH]

Nah.

I like JDB but wingers are far, far easier to replace than centers.

I like Carlo too but you’ve got to give to get.

Who you getting Lindholm? Who becomes the second RD first PK end of period guy,

Shattenkirk? Walsh? Mitchell ?

Um no

Who replaces DeBrusk 37 goals in last 82 games on wing ?

Steen? Lauko ?

You basically bought a nice shed and sold your second car and washer and dryer

They can wait on Lindholm if price high - basically the entire league is sitting on one or two 7.5- 10 M centers

I spent time going thru Cap Friendly - good kick finding a team that fits like Boston

Bruins have 0.0 back up in organization for Carlo & DeBrusk

Up to Lindholm in end

If he wants to play in Minnesota he will
If he wants to play here he will
If he wants to resign with Calgary he can

Calgary is porked here - like Iginla all over and what they got was a joke

Bruins should be a playoff team and the trade deadline is over 7 months away

No harm seeing where Geekie Lysell Poitras Metkulov Beecher Lauko steen Mclaughlin etc all are February 28

And Lindholm isn’t the only guy out there

Sweens should chill unless the price is like Orlov

Hanifin might be better now - lock up the D for foreseeable future

Bottom line Bruins in a very good spot but trading DeBrusk & Carlo are crazy to me wihout a legit well thought out backup plan

I’ve seen none here that would grade anything higher then an F-

 

[DKH]

1) Lysell
2) Merkulov
3) Locmelis
4) Poitras
5) Lohrei

Honestly I rank Lysell #1, because i think of the guys I might consider trading, i think he is the most valuable asset. I do think he will play in the NHL, but I fear he might become that 45 point 2nd/3rd line tweener, who doesn't play enough in his own end to be a 3rd liner, and just isn;t quite enough to be what you want on the second line offensively.

Merkulov I just can't imagine playing Center in this org, and from all accounts he has been much better as a C than as a wing. But maybe he surprises me and wins the 2nd line C job in September. Again like Lysell I suspect he is a top 6 or bust guy. I just can't see him developing on the 4th line for a year or two before moving up to 2nd line

Locmelis / Poitras. Honestly I think both of them are in a situation where there upside potential is so much higher than their trade value that I simply don't want to trade them for 10 cents on the dollar. Neither is a sure enough thing or has accomplished enough to be anything more than a lottery ticket thrown into a deal

Lohrei. I think he will be a top 4, maybe top 2 for a decade, and I simply don't want to give that up

I could quibble with your list but I am more focused on your opinions and it’s excellent/interesting.

Can’t disagree with anything- Merkulov has homered in the college level and AHL. Merkulov is probably Oates/Kasper/Krejci-like conditioning which is surprisingly strong and built. His body should hold up and he’s adapted to levels and surroundings

I don’t know where it goes for Metkulov but no way I bet against him

With Bergeron gone, Monty needs to take off his top hat as the ring master of the greatest show on ice and coach/develop the handful of young players that should be seeing time in Boston

 

[DominicT]

If the Bruins and Frederic don't reach a deal, I hope their filings get leaked today. I think we'd have a bigger WTF moment than we did with the Swayman/Bruins numbers - even knowing how the process works.

 

[shelbysdad]

1) Lysell
2) Merkulov
3) Locmelis
4) Poitras
5) Lohrei

Honestly I rank Lysell #1, because i think of the guys I might consider trading, i think he is the most valuable asset. I do think he will play in the NHL, but I fear he might become that 45 point 2nd/3rd line tweener, who doesn't play enough in his own end to be a 3rd liner, and just isn;t quite enough to be what you want on the second line offensively.

Merkulov I just can't imagine playing Center in this org, and from all accounts he has been much better as a C than as a wing. But maybe he surprises me and wins the 2nd line C job in September. Again like Lysell I suspect he is a top 6 or bust guy. I just can't see him developing on the 4th line for a year or two before moving up to 2nd line

Locmelis / Poitras. Honestly I think both of them are in a situation where there upside potential is so much higher than their trade value that I simply don't want to trade them for 10 cents on the dollar. Neither is a sure enough thing or has accomplished enough to be anything more than a lottery ticket thrown into a deal

Lohrei. I think he will be a top 4, maybe top 2 for a decade, and I simply don't want to give that up

Lysell = Michael Grabner comparison maybe?

 

[KillerMillerTime]

And what is wrong with Dumba? You add a first line center and 3rd D for a 2nd line RW and 3rd D? Looks like they come out ahead to me.

There is no guarantee Dumba signs.

 

[BruinDust]

You don't think its possible?

I guarantee its possible because there are all kinds of allowable stats to fit your argument. And it goes both ways.

The reason why they hate going to arbitration is because of those arguments. It creates hard feelings.

Go look at how many players have actually gone to arbitration and then resigned with that team when they became UFA. You might be shocked.

I think it's absolutely possible. I think that's my concern.

I can see Swayman being insulted by the comparables the Bruins use trying to argue he's a 2 million dollar goaltender right now.

Bad feelings can linger for a long time. Maybe they never go away depending on the person.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I spent time going thru Cap Friendly - good kick finding a team that fits like Boston

I must be lucky. It took all of 30 seconds to find one.

DET

1. Can fit Lindholm in right now without any other cap moves.... unlike BOS.
2. Don't have to send trash player like Forbort back in the deal.
3. Have Compher and Copp as 2C and 3C, but could make Lindholm 1B C, Copp to wing and Compher 3C.
4. Have actual draft picks... 9 in the 1st 3 rds in the next 3 drafts.... unlike BOS which has 5 picks in the 1st 3 rds in the next 3 drafts... none in the next draft, 2 in 2025, 3 in 2026.

 

[DominicT]

I think it's absolutely possible. I think that's my concern.

I can see Swayman being insulted by the comparables the Bruins use trying to argue he's a 2 million dollar goaltender right now.

Bad feelings can linger for a long time. Maybe they never go away depending on the person.

Stephan Bartlett once wrote an article (it took me hours to find it this morning) on NHL contract negotiations. He specifically gave one example of a negotiation he was involved in. The example he used was he and the team were $20,000 apart. That's not a typing error it was actually $20,000.

He went on to explain that the final offer was the team's final offer and they "would not go a nickel higher". His client was dead against going any lower because his side was doing all the "moving".

So, being the smart agent Bartlett is, he took that $20,000 and asked the team to get disability insurance for the player. They wouldn't give the player the $20,000 but they handed it over for insurance with no questions asked and the deal got done.

$20,000 may seem like a drop in the bucket when it comes to contract negotiations. But that's how trivial these things can get. I just wish we'd hear more about them.

But yeah, there can be some hurt feelings. In the end, I think the players just want to play and the players leave it up to the agents to get the most they can get.

 

[DKH]

I must be lucky. It took all of 30 seconds to find one.

DET

1. Can fit Lindholm in right now without any other cap moves.... unlike BOS.
2. Don't have to send trash player like Forbort back in the deal.
3. Have Compher and Copp as 2C and 3C, but could make Lindholm 1B C, Copp to wing and Compher 3C.
4. Have actual draft picks... 9 in the 1st 3 rds in the next 3 drafts.... unlike BOS which has 5 picks in the 1st 3 rds in the next 3 drafts... none in the next draft, 2 in 2025, 3 in 2026.

Yah Detroit is going to tie up C with Larkin making 9 m and giving Lindhom 10 M

BWAHAHAHAH

 

[BruinDust]

Stephan Bartlett once wrote an article (it took me hours to find it this morning) on NHL contract negotiations. He specifically gave one example of a negotiation he was involved in. The example he used was he and the team were $20,000 apart. That's not a typing error it was actually $20,000.

He went on to explain that the final offer was the team's final offer and they "would not go a nickel higher". His client was dead against going any lower because his side was doing all the "moving".

So, being the smart agent Bartlett is, he took that $20,000 and asked the team to get disability insurance for the player. They wouldn't give the player the $20,000 but they handed it over for insurance with no questions asked and the deal got done.

$20,000 may seem like a drop in the bucket when it comes to contract negotiations. But that's how trivial these things can get. I just wish we'd hear more about them.

But yeah, there can be some hurt feelings. In the end, I think the players just want to play and the players leave it up to the agents to get the most they can get.

If I had to guess I would say there are more players who "get it" as far as what this process is and the intent of it and don't let it affect their future decision making a great deal. You read about these horror stories where the player was almost brought to tears (I can't recall the players name) but hearings like that are likely the exception.

I always wondered, are the players required to attend the hearing? Or can they sit at home and just let their agent do their thing?

 

[Blowfish]

If I had to guess I would say there are more players who "get it" as far as what this process is and the intent of it and don't let it affect their future decision making a great deal. You read about these horror stories where the player was almost brought to tears (I can't recall the players name) but hearings like that are likely the exception.

I always wondered, are the players required to attend the hearing? Or can they sit at home and just let their agent do their thing?

Good question?