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Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk XI

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JOKER 192 said:
Samsanov plays behind an inferior D than Swayman.

I'm going the other way 3.25
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Swayman coming of a Jennings win and he's just plan and simple the better goalie who carries a career 920 save percentage to go along with 9 shutouts in only 82 starts and is only 24. Since making his NHL debut in April of 2020, he ranks second in the NHL in goals-against average (2.40) and fifth in the NHL with his .920 save percentage.

I'll stick with my 3.75
Edit: actually it might be a little low.
 
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Blowfish said:
I hear you however extremely difficult to believe it wouldn't be used as comparable by someone involved.
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Are you talking about negotiations or arbitration? In arbitration:

Admissible
  • The number of games played and a player's injury history
  • "Overall performance" (including NHL "official statistics")
  • Length of service of the player to the club or in the NHL
  • "The overall contribution of the Player to the competitive success or failure of his club in the preceding season"
  • "Any special qualities of leadership or public appeal"
  • The overall performance of alleged comparable players
  • The compensation of any comparable players that have been formally introduced as a comparable
Inadmissible:

  • A contract entered into when "the Player" was not a "group 2" restricted free agent
  • Any contract signed by an unrestricted free agent (so only group 2 restricted free agents can serve as comparable players)
  • A contract signed by a player that is not being offered as a comparable player
  • Qualifying offers
  • Prior negotiating history between the club and the player
  • "Testimonials, videotapes, newspaper columns, press game reports
    or similar materials"
  • Any reference to walk-away rights
  • Any arbitration award that a club walked away from
  • "The financial condition of the club or the league"
  • References to the club's salary cap situation, or the players' share (of hockey related revenue)
  • Any arbitration award issued in 2005-06, or any reference to a salary arbitration opinion that took place prior to the beginning of the salary cap era
In 2020 the NHL and NHLPA agreed that comparable players must be as close as possible in age, position and TOI. They also changed "Any arbitration award that a club walked away from" to "Any arbitration award".

Each side submits (a maximum) 45 page argument to the arbitrator as well as exchanging them between the two parties. You really think that if one side brings up a player as a comparable that is not allowed, the other side is going to allow it? If you do, I have some swampland in Shakespeare for you. It's a quick drive for you!
 
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TCB said:
Swayman coming of a Jennings win and hes just plan and simple the better goalie who carrys a career 920 save percentage to go along with 9 shutouts in only 82 starts and is only 24. Since making his NHL debut in April of 2020, he ranks second in the NHL in goals-against average (2.40) and fifth in the NHL with his .920 save percentage.

I'll stick with my 3.75
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Tough position to analyze if you ask me. Both of our guys where trash when the defense broke down. Both are the results of good defensive structure that was record setting last season. I would be very careful paying Swayman big bucks
 
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DominicT said:
Every player, not just the Bruins. The system is set up for there being bad blood after the process is over.

Everyone rags on the Bruins walking away from 4 (or was it 3?) arbitration cases. The Hawks walked away from 3 in one season!
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Makes me wonder if those two aren't trade bait as we speak ..also makes me wonder what lowball offer they'll give TF ..I'm guessing $1-1.2 if Swayman's arbitration offer is any indication.
 
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DominicT said:
Are you talking about negotiations or arbitration? In arbitration:

Admissible
  • The number of games played and a player's injury history
  • "Overall performance" (including NHL "official statistics")
  • Length of service of the player to the club or in the NHL
  • "The overall contribution of the Player to the competitive success or failure of his club in the preceding season"
  • "Any special qualities of leadership or public appeal"
  • The overall performance of alleged comparable players
  • The compensation of any comparable players that have been formally introduced as a comparable
Inadmissible:

  • A contract entered into when "the Player" was not a "group 2" restricted free agent
  • Any contract signed by an unrestricted free agent (so only group 2 restricted free agents can serve as comparable players)
  • A contract signed by a player that is not being offered as a comparable player
  • Qualifying offers
  • Prior negotiating history between the club and the player
  • "Testimonials, videotapes, newspaper columns, press game reports
    or similar materials"
  • Any reference to walk-away rights
  • Any arbitration award that a club walked away from
  • "The financial condition of the club or the league"
  • References to the club's salary cap situation, or the players' share (of hockey related revenue)
  • Any arbitration award issued in 2005-06, or any reference to a salary arbitration opinion that took place prior to the beginning of the salary cap era
In 2020 the NHL and NHLPA agreed that comparable players must be as close as possible in age, position and TOI. They also changed "Any arbitration award that a club walked away from" to "Any arbitration award".

Each side submits (a maximum) 45 page argument to the arbitrator as well as exchanging them between the two parties. You really think that if one side brings up a player as a comparable that is not allowed, the other side is going to allow it? If you do, I have some swampland in Shakespeare for you. It's a quick drive for you!
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Looking at this you gotta think he has a rather short length of service, and was he really that important to the team given ullmark had a sv % .18 higher? I think he's a great goalie, but based on this he may actually not do great in arbitration.
 
Guelph Bruin said:
Makes me wonder if those two aren't trade bait as we speak ..also makes me wonder what lowball offer they'll give TF ..I'm guessing $1-1.2 if Swayman's arbitration offer is any indication.
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Great question! I mean will they know the decision on Swayman before they make the offer ? That could have some meaning on what they offer him. But just going off of what they offered Swayman I mean your looking at what 1-1.2 like you said. lol
 
Am I missing something? Do we know the club and swayman numbers already? Or did the club make an offer?

Oh. Found it. Bruins at 2 million and swayman at 4.8m
 
DominicT said:
Are you talking about negotiations or arbitration? In arbitration:

Each side submits (a maximum) 45 page argument to the arbitrator as well as exchanging them between the two parties. You really think that if one side brings up a player as a comparable that is not allowed, the other side is going to allow it? If you do, I have some swampland in Shakespeare for you. It's a quick drive for you!
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Hey thanks for sharing...I will go with negotiations and both sides will be pissed after this arbitration hearing lol. One more than the other.

Too funny but I will take you up on the swampland in NOTL. Someone from Toronto will certainly spend the money on it.
 
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EXTRAS said:
Looking at this you gotta think he has a rather short length of service, and was he really that important to the team given ullmark had a sv % .18 higher? I think he's a great goalie, but based on this he may actually not do great in arbitration.
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Looks pretty good to me. Jennings Trophy winner, 9 shutouts in only 82 starts, is only 24. Since making his NHL debut in April of 2020, he ranks second in the NHL in goals-against average (2.40) and fifth in the NHL with his .920 save percentage.
 
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4ORRBRUIN said:
B's will come in at 2m
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If I was the agent and I was offered 1 year 3.5 M for Swayman and 1 year 2.5 M for T Fred I’m accepting

I get even a dollar under I’m irritated

If Swayman comes in at 6 M I’m Sweens I come in at 1 M; if he comes in at 4 M I come in at 3 M

Whatever the split is on these two my figures are 3.5 and 2.5 M
 
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TCB said:
Great question! I mean will they know the decision on Swayman before they make the offer ? That could have some meaning on what they offer him. But just going off of what they offered Swayman I mean your looking at what 1-1.2 like you said. lol
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I'll have to defer to the more knowledgeable rules crowd, based on Sway's arbitration #'s being released this morning (48 hours prior to his actual hearing), I'd assume TF's would be released Sunday if it get's that far
 
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TCB said:
Looks pretty good to me. Jennings Trophy winner, 9 shutouts in only 82 starts, is only 24. Since making his NHL debut in April of 2020, he ranks second in the NHL in goals-against average (2.40) and fifth in the NHL with his .920 save percentage.
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Yah but the other goalie on the team has much better numbers. To me that says his stats are based on a strong system and he isn't even close to the go to goalie on the team.
 
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Guelph Bruin said:
I'll have to defer to the more knowledgeable rules crowd, based on Sway's arbitration #'s being released this morning (48 hours prior to his actual hearing), I'd assume TF's would be released Sunday if it get's that far
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That's what I was thinking, so more than likely they wont know. As Swayman hearing is on sunday as well.
 
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hrdpuk said:
No way!
Lose a young shut down D and a young scoring forward for a not so young center weakens the team going forward.
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Nah.

I like JDB but wingers are far, far easier to replace than centers.

I like Carlo too but you’ve got to give to get.
 
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EXTRAS said:
Yah but the other goalie on the team has much better numbers. To me that says his stats are based on a strong system and he isn't even close to the go to goalie on the team.
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That's very debatable plus Linus is making 5 mil per. Swayman has a lower career save percentage and a lower GAA and 3 more career shutouts despite having 100 less starts and last year alone Swayman had the better save percentage and more shutouts among the two. He also was chosen over Ullmark for the last two Bruins elimination games in the last two playoffs.
 
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sarge88 said:
Nah.

I like JDB but wingers are far, far easier to replace than centers.

I like Carlo too but you’ve got to give to get.
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We have 0.0 replacements

Anything before but I have always considered BS - I have trained myself to look for a ‘but’ and then look left :laugh:
 
TCB said:
That's very debatable plus Linus is making 5 mil per. Swayman has a lower career save percentage and a lower GAA and 3 more career shutouts despite having 100 less starts and last year alone Swayman had the better save percentage and more shutouts among the two. He also was chosen over Ullmark for the last two Bruins elimination games in the last two playoffs.
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Linus has had a better save percentages both seasons they played together. Shutouts don't mean much to me...because if he has more shutouts but still a worse save percentage that also means he has more stinkers.
 
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