Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk XI

[shelbysdad]

We need to find a young center with size and toughness, and potential to possibly bloom a little.

There is a guy out there that is 6'2", 204 lbs.
With no PP time, last year he scored 17 goals, 14 assists
Will drop the gloves willingly

Decent stats, a buy low candidate.

Hope we are in on it.

 

[PlayMakers]

I'm far from a cap expert, but I've been messing around on capfriendly and if Swayman and Frederic come in at 5.8mil combined or less then we can just barely squeak under the cap with a full 23 man roster.

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Doesn't leave them with much flexibility, don't even have the space to have guys like Merkulov, Beecher, or Lohrei to make the roster if they have great camps. Could always solve that by riding with a 22 man roster of need by though.

I think Brown is on the team over Megna. Brown signed a 2-year one-way deal. Megna signed a 1year, two-way deal.

That change, though small, puts you over the cap.

 

[Blowfish]

You don't think its possible?

I guarantee its possible because there are all kinds of allowable stats to fit your argument. And it goes both ways.

The reason why they hate going to arbitration is because of those arguments. It creates hard feelings.

Go look at how many players have actually gone to arbitration and then resigned with that team when they became UFA. You might be shocked.


You are absolutely wrong.

I can't see Swayman getting less than Ilya Samsonov...I would be shocked.

Ilya Samsonov was awarded a one-year, $3.55-million

 

[Hookslide]

And what is wrong with Dumba? You add a first line center and 3rd D for a 2nd line RW and 3rd D? Looks like they come out ahead to me.

Dumba is not the player Carlo is in my opinion and is older than Carlo and he is going to cost more ..........forget about it.......

 

[TCB]

I can't see Swayman getting less than Ilya Samsonov...I would be shocked.

Ilya Samsonov was awarded a one-year, $3.55-million

Samsanov 27-10 2.33 .919 4 shutouts
Swayman 24-6 2.27 .920 4 shutouts

 

[Blowfish]

Samsanov 27-10 2.33 .919 4 shutouts
Swayman 24-6 2.27 .920 4 shutouts

With them facts/stats I'm guessing $4.15.

See you later one of the goalies, a Trent or Jake or Matt.

 

[lopey]

The thing with him is that he can't go to the AHL . He isn't likely going to further develop his game in the OHL. If there is any hint that he might be ready I'd give him his 9 games. Especially if Bergy's replacement doesn't emerge.

Kids to small still. Cheats on d as someone mentioned earlier. Will be back in the OHL I think. Gotta get stronger and learn to play both ends of the ice

I’ve seen enough of McLaughlin myself. Not my kind of player. Wouldn’t shock me at all if lohrei, poitras and Locmelis are considered blue chip.

No Mclovin love? Lol

 

[TCB]

With them facts/stats I'm guessing $4.15.

See you later one of the goalies, a Trent or Jake or Matt.

Swaymans numbers were slightly better. I’m going with 3.75. Lol

 

[JOKER 192]

Swaymans numbers were slightly better. I’m going with 3.75. Lol

Samsanov plays behind an inferior D than Swayman.

I'm going the other way 3.25

 

[GordonHowe]

My point is Chuckie is good not great yet is getting paid $9.5M and you seem to have a problem paying a a good not great centre $9.5M a year in the same vein contribution wise especially when we have bare cupboards in that needed position. I'd trade Chuckie + spare parts for Lindholm (Calgary version) and Hanifin in a red hot second.

Charlie is certainly better than "good not great."

He has the potential to be a franchise defender for many years to come. As Bergeron noted, he's a bright fellow who can grow into the captain's role.

9.5 million a year a lot, a lot of money, true.

But I can guarantee McAvoy would have made that much and possibly more on the open market.

It's an investment but I believe it's a sound investment, and will prove so over time.

The Bruins have always been built on stellar goaltending and stout defense, anchored by a Shore, an Orr, a Bourque.

Charlie may never be in their league, but he's a legimate number one D in *this* league, and that's more than enough for me.

 

[GordonHowe]

I was referring to him being a top 5 D. He's up there but not that high. Certainly didn't look anywhere close to that in the PO's .

No one did.

 

[Guelph Bruin]

Charlie is certainly better than "good not great."

He has the potential to be a franchise defender for many years to come. As Bergeron noted, he's a bright fellow who can grow into the captain's role.

9.5 million a year a lot, a lot of money, true.

But I can guarantee McAvoy would have made that much and possibly more on the open market.

It's an investment but I believe it's a sound investment, and will prove so over time.

The Bruins have always been built on stellar goaltending and stout defense, anchored by a Shore, an Orr, a Bourque.

Charlie may never be in their league, but he's a legimate number one D in *this* league, and that's more than enough for me.

I like Chuckie, love his skating and the way he can lay an open ice hit. His offensive instincts are good but not great and he hasn't been an effective power play QB that I would expect for that price. I've stated I think he will become a bargain eventually, just wasn't last year. The point was comparison to Lindohlm (Calgary Version) getting $9M+ as a #1 C if we can grab him in 2024 free agency (not really looking to go the trade route this year) ..centres like him don't grow on trees and are highly valued such as #1 D.

 

[DominicT]

first year of oettinger's contract was $2.4M

Bingo.

No one looks at that, only the cap hit.

 

[GordonHowe]

I just don't want the Bruin's brass to make a decision based out of desperate need for a play making C, I hope they judge it on ability/readiness for the kid's sake.

They do not rush players. That's not Sweeney's MO. He's usually quite judicious, careful, and mindful of the variables.

If MP or anyone else, -- especially ML -- prove they are ready, there's no log jam and they will get their chance.

Even so, those jobs won't be handed to them and they'll have to fight their way onto the team, which is, again, as it should be.

I'm looking forward to the season with this and other questions in mind,

 

[DominicT]

I can't see Swayman getting less than Ilya Samsonov...I would be shocked.

Ilya Samsonov was awarded a one-year, $3.55-million

I know Samsonov is the guy everyone looks at, so let me try and make this as clear as possible again:

Samsonov can not be used as a comparable by either side.

What is in the Bruins favor? This:

"Contribution to the success or failure of the club"

2 Consecutive game 7 losses, the latter coming in an NHL record breaking season for wins and points.

What happened in games 1 through 6 is not open for debate here.

 

[EverettMike]

I know Samsonov is the guy everyone looks at, so let me try and make this as clear as possible again:

Samsonov can not be used as a comparable by either side.

What is in the Bruins favor? This:

"Contribution to the success or failure of the club"

2 Consecutive game 7 losses, the latter coming in an NHL record breaking season for wins and points.

What happened in games 1 through 6 is not open for debate here.

If the Bruins made that argument I'll 100% support him in any trade request.

 

[GordonHowe]

I like Chuckie, love his skating and the way he can lay an open ice hit. His offensive instincts are good but not great and he hasn't been an effective power play QB that I would expect for that price. I've stated I think he will become a bargain eventually, just wasn't last year. The point was comparison to Lindohlm (Calgary Version) getting $9M+ as a #1 C if we can grab him in 2024 free agency (not really looking to go the trade route this year) ..centres like him don't grow on trees and are highly valued such as #1 D.

As much as I like Jake and don't want to trade him, if he is the centerpiece of what the Bruins ship to Calgary for

Lindholm 2.0, that is a price I would pay.

As noted by

, Jake is from Alberta, the Flames aren't looking for draft picks, but NHL caliber scoring that won't request a trade five months into the season.

If a 1D is hard to obtain, a 1C is even more so. It's a deal you have to make, given the Bruins' circumstance.

Packaged with a sweetener or two (prospect or roster player), it's at least possible.

If the Flames had interest in Linus, I'd rather do that, but you play the hand you're dealt.

 

[Guelph Bruin]

If the Bruins made that argument I'll 100% support him in any trade request.

I'll second that motion. I thought I read recently that Boston players that go to arbitration have a short shelf life post award.....

Bruins’ Arbitration Past Gives Dim Outlook for Frederic & Swayman - The Hockey Writers Editor's Choice Latest News, Analysis & More

With Jeremy Swayman and Trent Frederic nearing their arbitration dates, we look at how past cases have turned out for the Bruins

thehockeywriters.com

 

[UncleRico]

We need to find a young center with size and toughness, and potential to possibly bloom a little.

There is a guy out there that is 6'2", 204 lbs.
With no PP time, last year he scored 17 goals, 14 assists
Will drop the gloves willingly

Decent stats, a buy low candidate.

Hope we are in on it.

Looks solid! What are his career playoff numbers?

 

[DominicT]

I'll second that motion. I thought I read recently that Boston players that go to arbitration have a short shelf life post award.....

Bruins’ Arbitration Past Gives Dim Outlook for Frederic & Swayman - The Hockey Writers Editor's Choice Latest News, Analysis & More

With Jeremy Swayman and Trent Frederic nearing their arbitration dates, we look at how past cases have turned out for the Bruins

thehockeywriters.com

Every player, not just the Bruins. The system is set up for there being bad blood after the process is over.

Everyone rags on the Bruins walking away from 4 (or was it 3?) arbitration cases. The Hawks walked away from 3 in one season!

 

[Blowfish]

I know Samsonov is the guy everyone looks at, so let me try and make this as clear as possible again:

Samsonov can not be used as a comparable by either side.

What is in the Bruins favor? This:

"Contribution to the success or failure of the club"

2 Consecutive game 7 losses, the latter coming in an NHL record breaking season for wins and points.

What happened in games 1 through 6 is not open for debate here.

I hear you however extremely difficult to believe it wouldn't be used as comparable by someone involved.

 

[TCB]

I know Samsonov is the guy everyone looks at, so let me try and make this as clear as possible again:

Samsonov can not be used as a comparable by either side.

What is in the Bruins favor? This:

"Contribution to the success or failure of the club"

2 Consecutive game 7 losses, the latter coming in an NHL record breaking season for wins and points.

What happened in games 1 through 6 is not open for debate here.

It cant be used in arbitration but it gives the Bruins and Swayman a comparable contract to work off of to see if they can reach an agreement before hand and it is a guideline for whoever the independent arbitrator is, it isn't like he's in a bubble and doesn't know what Samsanov was rewarded.

 

[Fenian24]

Every player, not just the Bruins. The system is set up for there being bad blood after the process is over.

Everyone rags on the Bruins walking away from 4 (or was it 3?) arbitration cases. The Hawks walked away from 3 in one season!

Do you really want to use a Bill Wirtz team as an example of good ownership? Blackhawk fans booed him at his memorial

 

[JOKER 192]

No one did.

Actually Marchyknows did

 

[UncleRico]

I know Samsonov is the guy everyone looks at, so let me try and make this as clear as possible again:

Samsonov can not be used as a comparable by either side.

What is in the Bruins favor? This:

"Contribution to the success or failure of the club"

2 Consecutive game 7 losses, the latter coming in an NHL record breaking season for wins and points.

What happened in games 1 through 6 is not open for debate here.

Interesting didn’t know playoff performance counted. I guess that helps the bruins with both swayman and Frederic.