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Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk XI

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Mainehockey33 said:
Doesn’t the arbiter split the difference most of the time?
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Most of the time, but the look on Sweeney's face would be priceless if he said they Bruins low balled so badly he is awarding Swayman what he wants. Too my knowledge they are still one of the few teams to ever walk away from an arbitration decision and let the player go.
 
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Fenian24 said:
Most of the time, but the look on Sweeney's face would be priceless if he said they Bruins low balled so badly he is awarding Swayman what he wants. Too my knowledge they are still one of the few teams to ever walk away from an arbitration decision and let the player go.
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I’d trade Swayman before paying him $5M.
 
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EverettMike said:
It's the same thing every year.

"I think our prospects have a chance to make a real impact!"

:Sweeney signs a bunch of bottom of the roster players who block spots for prospects:

"Ah, well. Nevertheless,"
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The frustrating part about that is, it would be exciting to cheer for a team full of kids. After a decade plus of dominance it would be a nice change of pace to be the underdog. It would be nice to see kids grow and mature in front of our eyes like this group did from 2008-2011.

The one thing that's a bit different this year is that at least some of the "vets" he brought in are still young enough to be considered kids, i.e. Boqvist and Geekie, and there is still one slot 'open' for a kid to take if you consider Greer the 13th F (which I do).
 
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Time for the Merkster! Every picture of him out there is so intense!

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Swayman plays half the games Saros does when getting his contract and asks for Saros money with no term, no UFA years bought.

Obviously, the Boston Bruins are cheap, lowballing bastards. I hope a meteor strikes them in their smug, thrifty faces when the arbiter rules Don Sweeney must be Swayman's butler.

Because I'm a fan.
 
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PlayMakers said:
The frustrating part about that is, it would be exciting to cheer for a team full of kids. After a decade plus of dominance it would be a nice change of pace to be the underdog. It would be nice to see kids grow and mature in front of our eyes like this group did from 2008-2011.

The one thing that's a bit different this year is that at least some of the "vets" he brought in are still young enough to be considered kids, i.e. Boqvist and Geekie, and there is still one slot 'open' for a kid to take if you consider Greer the 13th F (which I do).
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True that...He brought in some youngish players that could have an immediate positive impact in new setting. Richard is another guy who finally found his game in Montreal.
 
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PlayMakers said:
I'll save @DominicT some time...

That number doesn't reflect what the Bruins were offering. It's just how the arbitration game is played. The team comes in low, the player comes in high and the arbiter picks a number in the middle.
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Sure Im well aware of that and that's why the NHL should do (as Gord Miller recently stated)) what Baseball does. Each side submits a number and the arbitrator chooses. Which would stop the lowball/High ball shenanigan's.

Im expecting Swayman to fall right in the middle of the 2mil offer he got from the bruins and the 4.8 he requested. Very similar to Samsonov of the leafs who filed at $4.9 million while the Maple Leafs submitted at $2.4 million. He was awarded 3.55.

Imo I feel that 2 mil is very low on the low ball scale and why even go through all the bS if you know going in its going to fall somewhere right in the middle. Hopefully in this case its a little more on the upside. Samsonov was a little less but the leafs offer was a little better, me for one would much rather have Swayman moving forward.

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PlayMakers said:
I'll save @DominicT some time...

That number doesn't reflect what the Bruins were offering. It's just how the arbitration game is played. The team comes in low, the player comes in high and the arbiter picks a number in the middle.
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True, but I'd still love to hear the Bruins argument in front of an arbitrator about how Jeremy Swayman is only worth 2 million and here are some comparable players to prove that point.
 
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BruinDust said:
True, but I'd still love to hear the Bruins argument in front of an arbitrator about how Jeremy Swayman is only worth 2 million and here are some comparable players to prove that point.
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It’s a negotiation tactic.

They know he’s worth more than that. They come low, he comes high, and they ultimately find the middle ground.
 
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DiggityDog said:
It’s a negotiation tactic.

They know he’s worth more than that. They come low, he comes high, and they ultimately find the middle ground.
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I'm aware.

Although it would be peculiar to go in front of an arbitrator with a bunch of comparables to support your argument in the 3-3.5 million range when your opening figure was 2 million. Given that ultimately the arbitrator is going to make a judgement call based on the evidence presented to he or she.

He/she doesn't have to pick a middle-ground. I'm no arbitrator clearly but if I had two parties and they each presented an opening number, and immediately after presenting that number, the lower number party decided to bust out evidence to support a much higher number, I'm probably going to now ignore your opening number. Then find somewhere between your new higher comparables and the other parties opening number. (providing the other party can make a significant argument).

If the Bruins did this, submit for 2 million but then try to build their case with higher valued comparables around 3-3.5, pretty much shoots your credibility right in the foot while standing in front of a person who is going to make a judgement call when it's all said and done.

Heck, if they don't come in with comparables close to their original number, it's going to seriously undermine their credibility with the arbitrator. Credibility when presenting evidence is pretty important. Ask any expert who has ever testified in front a judge. Usually its the credibility of the witness the other party goes after.
 
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Leaf fan posting this??

I was curious to see how many players are traded pre/post arbitration. I came across this article. Sharing with you folk. I guess it's very possible the same can happen with one of Swayman or Freddy. Has Boston ever made a trade post arbitration?

CUTTING TIES​

In her column earlier this week, Rachel Doerrie wrote about how P.K. Subban's 2014 arbitration hearing was a watershed moment in the relationship between the defenseman and the Montreal Canadiens — who then kept him for just two more years before trading him to the Nashville Predators two days before his full no-movement clause kicked in.

Looking back through arbitration settlements over the last 15 years, the trend does lean toward teams moving on not long after an arbitration award.

Here are a couple of examples that illustrate how things can play out:

In 2019, Joel Edmundson went to arbitration immediately after the St. Louis Blues' Stanley Cup win. Coming off a one-year deal with a cap hit of $3 million — which he signed with the expectation that a long-term contract would eventually be forthcoming — he was awarded only a small raise to $3.1 million.

Edmundson had just one year left on his contract before becoming a UFA, and Doug Armstrong elected not to extend Edmundson. After the arbitrator's award, Edmundson was dealt to Carolina Hurricanes during the 2019-20 pre-season as part of the package that brought back Justin Faulk, who the Blues promptly signed to a seven-year deal with a cap hit of $6.5 million.

After a year in Carolina, Edmundson signed as a free agent with Montreal at a cap hit of $3.5 million.

In 2018, 24-year-old defenseman Brett Kulak filed for arbitration. He'd just hit a career-high 71 NHL games with the Calgary Flames while playing on a two-way contract at the league minimum.

Kulak was awarded a one-year, one-way deal at $900,000 by the arbitrator. But that was too rich for Brad Treliving's blood.

After he cleared waivers on Oct. 1, Kulak was dealt to the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for Matt Taormina and Rinat Valiev.

Neither new acquisition played a single NHL game for the Flames. Meanwhile, Kulak spent one more year moving back and forth to the minors before establishing himself as an NHL regular. When he was dealt to the Edmonton Oilers at the 2022 trade deadline, he netted the Canadiens the second-round draft pick they used on promising defense prospect Lane Hutson.

Kulak now averages more than 17 minutes a game on the Oilers blueline. He hit a career high of 20 points last season, at a cap hit of $2.75 million, which is perfectly reasonable for what he brings to the table.

STICKING AROUND​

While players and teams cut ties not long after an arbitration award, there are a handful of exceptions.

In 2019, Andrew Copp saw his cap hit with the Winnipeg Jets bump up from $1 million to $2.28 million on a two-year deal from the arbitrator. He stuck around and filed again in 2021, then settled for a one-year contract at $3.64 million two weeks before that scheduled hearing.

By that point, however, it had become clear that Copp wanted to move on when he hit unrestricted free agency one year later. At the 2022 trade deadline, the Jets got a nice package from the New York Rangers that included the first-round pick that would become Brad Lambert. Then, Copp cashed in for five years at $5.625 million with the Detroit Red Wings that summer.

Back when negotiations could continue after arbitration hearings, there are also some examples where the sides did come to terms on long-term deals, and stayed together for several years afterward.

Victor Arvidsson jumped from $650,000 on his entry-level contract to a seven-year deal at $4.25 million after his 2017 arbitration hearing, then remained with Nashville for four seasons before being traded to the Los Angeles Kings. And Tyson Barrie went from $2.6 million to $5.5 million on a four-year deal after his hearing in 2016. He stayed with the Colorado Avalanche for three more years before being moved to Toronto as part of the Nazem Kadri swap.
 
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JOKER 192 said:
See I don't make that deal.

Both DeBrusk and Carlo still have about 7 good years of hockey in them.

Meanwhile Linholm has what ? 3 maybe 4 years.

Not giving up 14 NHL years for 3 or 4.

If I'm adding to DeBrusk it's not anything major. A 3rd rounder or a B prospect.
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Lindholm is only two years older than both those players. How does he only have 3-4 years left while they each have 7?

I’m not advocating moving either, but Carlo has had quite a few concussions already, I wouldn’t exactly pencil him in for a good seven more years.
 
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