Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk X

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Is Pageau my first choice for replacement Krejci or Bergeron? NO.

I compared 5 year playoff performances, Debrusk/Pageau share similar point totals however Pageau far exceeded when it came to hits, block shots, and F/O %s on par with Bergeron. Pageau played pk, 2nd pp, and 3rd line center (I'm guessing Pageau matches regular season Debrusk point totals playing with a Bergeron/Marchand). The guy plays hard and is depended on in all critical situations...Debrusk can score goals but he's much closer to a 1 dimensional player.

Folk brushing off a one to one trade and dismissing Pageau's worth haven't watched him play. IMO I take Pageau over Debrusk. Highly doubt Islanders do a 1 for 1 trade knowing what Pageau brings to the team.

Islanders would be 100% in on a 1 for 1 trade with this. Then after it was complete they would laugh their asses off that Boston agreed to it.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Also... Of course DeBrusk has better numbers. Wahlstrom was PART of the return.

If they were a straight comp, the proposal would be one-for-one. In this deal, Wahlstrom is the sweetener.

Listen, I don't like this proposal Pageau for DeBrusk. But Pageau/Wahlstrom for DeBrusk? It's really not bad. I think Pageau is a lot better than some seem to believe around here. I take Pageau on my team any day, man. He is f***ing good and much more than his point totals.

I know this deal is pure fantasyland. But if I'm Sweeney and I gleam that DeBrusk's next contract is gonna likely start with a 7? And we're pretending this deal is on the table? I'm pulling the trigger.

If I'm the Bruins, and I have limited assets, no early picks, and a prospect pool that leaves much to be desired, Pageau would not be my choice for the center piece coming back.

EDIT: Misplaced punctuations and incomplete thoughts in the wrong place. As some liked to point out.

On the scale of 2-way centers from Chris Kelly to Bergeron, Pageau is much closer to the Kelly side of that spectrum than Bergeron. And while that's not a bad thing at all, limited cap space, limited assets, and I feel a high end #3C, low end #2C isn't the prize we should give our limited pieces for.

If Pageau (or a Pageau type) is the sweetener, that's fine, but not the main piece coming back. Pageau/Wahlstrom is just kinda meh for me.

Feels like a typical Bruins quality for quantity deal, where we end up with worse players in the deal.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Is Pageau my first choice for replacement Krejci or Bergeron? NO.

I compared 5 year playoff performances, Debrusk/Pageau share similar point totals however Pageau far exceeded when it came to hits, block shots, and F/O %s on par with Bergeron. Pageau played pk, 2nd pp, and 3rd line center (I'm guessing Pageau matches regular season Debrusk point totals playing with a Bergeron/Marchand). The guy plays hard and is depended on in all critical situations...Debrusk can score goals but he's much closer to a 1 dimensional player.

Folk brushing off a one to one trade and dismissing Pageau's worth haven't watched him play. IMO I take Pageau over Debrusk. Highly doubt Islanders do a 1 for 1 trade knowing what Pageau brings to the team.

It’s madness.

Pageau is making $5M for 3 more years and he’s 30. We don’t need another $5M center. He’s not a top six guy - he isn’t for the Islanders and he certainly wouldn’t be here. His defensive play is declining, and he’s got very little offensive pop.

No way in hell you trade a young goal scorer for that. His contract is basically a negative value now - and adding an underachieving one dimensional winger who may some day approach Debrusk offensively and never defensively is a bad bad idea.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Is Pageau my first choice for replacement Krejci or Bergeron? NO.

I compared 5 year playoff performances, Debrusk/Pageau share similar point totals however Pageau far exceeded when it came to hits, block shots, and F/O %s on par with Bergeron. Pageau played pk, 2nd pp, and 3rd line center (I'm guessing Pageau matches regular season Debrusk point totals playing with a Bergeron/Marchand). The guy plays hard and is depended on in all critical situations...Debrusk can score goals but he's much closer to a 1 dimensional player.

Folk brushing off a one to one trade and dismissing Pageau's worth haven't watched him play. IMO I take Pageau over Debrusk. Highly doubt Islanders do a 1 for 1 trade knowing what Pageau brings to the team.

I've watched Pageau play.

He's a good player.

He's a high end 3C, low end 2C though.

I just don't see why we should target that with the limited assets we have.

And while I don't expect the next Bergeron to be strolling through, Pageau, to me is just not the player/role we are missing.

1:1, there's no reason the Bruins should touch that, and I just don't see a realistic add that really makes me think it's a great idea.

 

[bruins19]

I'm feeling good vibes about that jvr signing hes gonna be a important player for us especially on the p.p. excited about what he brings and his contract is ridiculous cheap nice one Donny!

Loving the optimism. Fingers crossed.

 

[bruinmann77]

I think JVR will be better with the bruins better group around. I think Bergy will be back but not trading Jake for Pageau. Think they could do much better if they had to move Jake

 

[Mad Dr Pepper]

Salsa Recipe

Prep5 minutes minutes
Ready in: 5 minutes minutes

Ingredients​

• 1 1/4 lbs ripe Roma tomatoes* (about 5 - 6)
• 1 (14.5 oz) can petite diced tomatoes**
• 2 green onions,*** ends trimmed, chopped into thirds
• 1/3 cup chopped red onion (about 1/4 of a medium)
• 1 jalapeno pepper,**** seeded and roughly chopped
• 1/3 cup fresh cilantro (about a handful)
• 1 large clove garlic, roughly chopped
• 2 Tbsp fresh lime juice
• 1/2 tsp chili powder
• 1/4 tsp ground cumin
• 1/2 tsp granulated sugar (optional)
• Salt and pepper to taste

Instructions​

• Combine all ingredients in a food processor and pulse in 1 second bursts until all ingredients are finely chopped.
• Serve with tortilla chips. Note that salsa always tastes best after it's been refrigerated for a few hours, so if time allows let the flavors marinate together before serving.
• Store in refrigerator up to 1 week.

Notes​

• *Use best quality tomatoes or salsa will be lacking in flavor.
• **Canned diced tomatoes with mild green chilis, or canned fire roasted tomatoes also work great as well.
• ***For a slightly stronger onion flavor you can just omit green onions and use about 3/4 cup red onion (or 1/2 of a medium onion).
• ****You can leave the seeds or use a serrano pepper for a spicy salsa. Sometimes I like to substitute a few canned chipotle peppers with some adobo sauce for the jalapeno. This is also a spicier option.
• Another tasty addition is to include 1/2 bell pepper, or 1 poblano or Anaheim pepper.
• For a thinner salsa, you can add in a bit of tomato juice or tomato sauce if desired.

You know what?

This might just do the trick! Haha thanks!

 

[The don godfather]

I think JVR will be better with the bruins better group around. I think Bergy will be back but not trading Jake for Pageau. Think they could do much better if they had to move Jake

I'll eat a frozen pizza out of a pizza box uncooked if Donny trades jake for pageau with nothing else coming back. No friggin way this will happen book it! Twice!

 

[dugg133]

Is Pageau my first choice for replacement Krejci or Bergeron? NO.

I compared 5 year playoff performances, Debrusk/Pageau share similar point totals however Pageau far exceeded when it came to hits, block shots, and F/O %s on par with Bergeron. Pageau played pk, 2nd pp, and 3rd line center (I'm guessing Pageau matches regular season Debrusk point totals playing with a Bergeron/Marchand). The guy plays hard and is depended on in all critical situations...Debrusk can score goals but he's much closer to a 1 dimensional player.

Folk brushing off a one to one trade and dismissing Pageau's worth haven't watched him play. IMO I take Pageau over Debrusk. Highly doubt Islanders do a 1 for 1 trade knowing what Pageau brings to the team.

Debrusk plays PP, PK, and is a very good 5v5 defender on top of being a goal scorer, that is the opposite of a one dimensional player. You're saying we haven't watched Pageau, but I'm starting to think you might've had your eyes closed every time Debrusk was on the ice this season.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

30+ goal scorers aren’t that easy to come by by tho. Just saying.

True.

But who has scored 30+ goals?

 

[HustleB]

Nope. What we have is Bergeron himself coming out and saying his dad had nothing to do with it.

I mean if his dad was sick and there. Would he tell us the truth. That is very much in the gray area. In his mind he says I’m playing no matter what. I doubt Monty got that same vibe pre game. I mean to each their own on that one. It is all ambiguous to me at this time.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

If I'm the Bruins, and I have limited assets, no early picks, and a prospect pool that leaves much to be desired.

Pageau would not be my choice for the center piece coming back.

On the scale of 2-way centers from Chris Kelly to Bergeron, Pageau is much closer to the Kelly side of that spectrum than Bergeron. And while that's not a bad thing at all, limited cap space, limited assets, and I feel a high end #3C, low end #2C isn't the prize we should give our limited pieces for.

If Pageau (or a Pageau type) is the sweetener, that's fine, but not the main piece coming back. Pageau/Wahlstrom is just kinda meh for me.

Feels like a typical Bruins quality for quantity deal, where we end up with worse players in the deal.

First of all, your first sentence is not a sentence.

Second, no big revelation there. Pageau is not close to a first ballot Hall of Fame player like Bergeron. Good luck getting one of those by trading Debrusk straight up.

 

[HustleB]

I've watched Pageau play.

He's a good player.

He's a high end 3C, low end 2C though.

I just don't see why we should target that with the limited assets we have.

And while I don't expect the next Bergeron to be strolling through, Pageau, to me is just not the player/role we are missing.

1:1, there's no reason the Bruins should touch that, and I just don't see a realistic add that really makes me think it's a great idea.

If we were to approach this deal then I really think Pageau has to be retained. The idea would be we get futures and cap they get the elite young star winger entering his prime. Like you I couldn’t put together anything I felt helped both teams. Maybe I just like JDB too much.

 

[EverettMike]

I mean if his dad was sick and there. Would he tell us the truth. That is very much in the gray area. In his mind he says I’m playing no matter what. I doubt Monty got that same vibe pre game. I mean to each their own on that one. It is all ambiguous to me at this time.

His quote was unambiguous and matter-of-fact. He even pointed out everyone else played that game to show there was nothing special about him playing.

 

[HustleB]

His quote was unambiguous and matter-of-fact. He even pointed out everyone else played that game to show there was nothing special about him playing.

Everyone else wasn’t a 35+ 1st line center playing heavy minutes. It’s fine that I don’t take that quote as seriously as you do. That’s not changing.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

First of all, your first sentence is not a sentence.

Second, no big revelation there. Pageau is not close to a first ballot Hall of Fame player like Bergeron. Good luck getting one of those by trading Debrusk straight up.

Thanks for grammar lesson, I'll go back and change it, bad typing and train of thought on a phone.

I agree, we aren't getting that by trading Debrusk alone.

But then why trade Debrusk for a non-needed piece. Bundle him in a package. Or get straight futures and bundle those. I'm not expecting Bergeron, but I am expecting a little more than a slightly better version of Chris Kelly.


Either way, Pageau wouldn't be my target.

 

[chizzler]

Pageau isn’t coming here. Bogus rumor. Let’s move on. He’s a complimentary piece on a team with 1-2 centers that are there already. He doesn’t move the needle for a team in need of a 1st line center.

 

[BradMarchandismydad]

Also, to quell any more discussion on the topic, out of all forwards who played 1000+ minutes (so not a statistical outlier like say Biz) Jake was 28th in goals per 60 minutes at 1.51 goals per 60.

Ahead of guys like Matthew Tkachuk, Laine, Stutzle, Crosby, and Kreider.

Is that good???

 

[Hookslide]

Loving the optimism. Fingers crossed.

I will cross my legs if it would help , but not loving this signing . Lucic signing was enough for me on the elder signings..........

 

[Blowfish]

Debrusk plays PP, PK, and is a very good 5v5 defender on top of being a goal scorer, that is the opposite of a one dimensional player. You're saying we haven't watched Pageau, but I'm starting to think you might've had your eyes closed every time Debrusk was on the ice this season.

Valid point...

Per Chizz I'm moving on.

 

[CellyHard]

I've wanted Zadorov here for years. Honestly, though, a lot of that desire was based on projecting his game to improve.

Right now, he's a 12 foot tall Clifton. That's clearly not worthless, but it really shouldn't cost you $20m+.

I don't know Graves averaged .35 points per game over the last two years with 20 mins of TOI and Zadorov averaged .28 with about 18 mins of TOI.

Zadorov is going to hit FA a year older than Graves thats why I can see him getting maybe one less year in term but I think he is probably going to get a similar aav all things considered.
This upcoming year will obviously determine more for him.

But ultimately my point being is that he is going to cost less than Hanifin and fills a dynamic of the defense that is much more needed.

Also Zadorov had more goals this year than Clifton has had in his entire career...just saying

 

[UncleRico]

I am not sure Monty has any confidence in Lauko

He dressed him over Frederic game 5 but after bumbling a two on none break with Nosek, and getting 2 minor penalties one that led to Florida third goal - after 7 minutes he was done

Sweens is running it back if Bergeron is back - he’s added better veterans and Lauko, Clifton and even Freddy he bailed on could all be gone

Lauko days seen numbered

One thing that I really like about you DKH is I legitimately never know if you are being sarcastic or not. There’s dozens of times I think you are being sarcastic and you aren’t and vice versa.

 

[DKH]

One thing that I really like about you DKH is I legitimately never know if you are being sarcastic or not. There’s dozens of times I think you are being sarcastic and you aren’t and vice versa.

We don’t always agree but I really enjoy and like you

We agree on this

 

[DKH]

Think they might have a deal in their back pocket when/if negotiating with Frederic breaks down.

Monty scratching game 5 and 7 was a confidence killer - especially after Frederic was even in the two games in Florida and they win both

Lauko goes in for 7:24 and gets 4 minutes in penalties including a Tkachuk bait job that 30 seconds in was a Reinhart PP goal

They go to arbitration and Sweens & Goldie take him apart like a Cosco chicken- he’s done here

Boqvist slides in and Frederic + sent to Calgary for Hanny

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Thanks for grammar lesson, I'll go back and change it, bad typing and train of thought on a phone.

I agree, we aren't getting that by trading Debrusk alone.

But then why trade Debrusk for a non-needed piece. Bundle him in a package. Or get straight futures and bundle those. I'm not expecting Bergeron, but I am expecting a little more than a slightly better version of Chris Kelly.


Either way, Pageau wouldn't be my target.

Oddly, Pageau and Kelly have the exact same amount of career points (219).

But Pageau has played 209 less game.

In the playoffs Pageau is much better also. He's even better than Debrusk in playoffs.

You may be underrating Pageau a bit.