Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk X

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Well he is...How can you not see this when he faces the bruins? One of the few guys who can challenge Bergeron at the dot.

Rosner emphasized that even if there were any truth to the proposed trade, it is unlikely that he would endorse Pageau for DeBrusk, let alone include additional players. He pointed out that the trade idea did not align with his assessment of the players’ values, noting the significance of Pageau’s face-off skills, defensive abilities, and contribution to the penalty kill, which would be lost in such a trade. He writes, “Have to remember what team DeBrusk accomplished that with and their roster compared to Isles. I’m not saying DeBrusk is a bad player, but losing Pageau’s face-off and defensive shutdown ability (while also pot. losing Parise meaning top PK) doesn’t make sense to me in this case.”

Wait...This is the guy who wrote the think piece (pulled out of his ass) who's now being interviewed about the potential trade? And we're supposed to take his evaluation of Pageau to mean anything?

Have a link for this? This is amazing. Like Jimmy Murphy writing an article proposing a trade, and then getting interviewed about said trade and saying he wouldn't do it. It's even the same media company.

 

[Yeti34]

For those who like stats

Game 5 Monty lines

Last 9 minutes 0 shots on goal Florida outscored Bruins

Monty goes back at 12:03 of first

Bruins out shoot Florida 21-0 Bruins outscored Florida

That was infuriating as a fan to watch. He made some weird decisions that we didn’t really see from him for most of the year on line combos.

As good as Bert was for us in the playoffs I also don’t think bumping Debrusk down was a great move either.

 

[Dr Quincy]

For those who like stats

Game 5 Monty lines

Last 9 minutes 0 shots on goal Florida outscored Bruins

Monty goes back at 12:03 of first

Bruins out shoot Florida 21-0 Bruins outscored Florida

Here are some other stats, not being used to say that the "regular" lines are bad, but to show the silliness of cherrypicking extremely small sample sizes and trying to draw a direct "correlation = causation" conclusion.

Monty lines: Bergeron-Marchand -1 each

Regular lines Game 6: Bergeron -3, Marchand -2
Regular lines Game 7: Bergeron -2, Marchand -2 including getting scored on in OT to lose the series


Also- Game 6 Marchand-Bergeron-Debrusk, outshot 2 1/2 to 1, out "corsi'd" by 1.5x and outfenwicked 2 to 1. Their xGF% was 19%.

Again, this is not to say playing those guys together is bad or dumb. It's to show that in a 7 game series, to pick 10 minutes out of 1 game and make some kind of conclusion is hysterically lame.
The B's gave up 1 goal in a 7 game series with Monty lines.

Monty wasn't good. Neither was McAvoy, neither was Ullmark, neither was Swayman, neither was Carlo etc

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

The line shuffling for game 5 was obviously a mistake in hindsight but in fairness to Montgomery it had worked for him all year with that team. There was no real reason to think it wouldn't again.

It always seems to be the coach's fault whenever the Bruins lose in the playoffs.

Bruins had every opportunity to win game 5 and game 6 and game 7 regardless of coaching decisions. And no one can say they would have won any of them if different coaching decisions were made.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Here are some other stats, not being used to say that the "regular" lines are bad, but to show the silliness of cherrypicking extremely small sample sizes and trying to draw a direct "correlation = causation" conclusion.

Monty lines: Bergeron-Marchand -1 each

Regular lines Game 6: Bergeron -3, Marchand -2
Regular lines Game 7: Bergeron -2, Marchand -2 including getting scored on in OT to lose the series


Also- Game 6 Marchand-Bergeron-Debrusk, outshot 2 1/2 to 1, out "corsi'd" by 1.5x and outfenwicked 2 to 1. Their xGF% was 19%.

Again, this is not to say playing those guys together is bad or dumb. It's to show that in a 7 game series, to pick 10 minutes out of 1 game and make some kind of conclusion is hysterically lame.
The B's gave up 1 goal in a 7 game series with Monty lines.

Monty wasn't good. Neither was McAvoy, neither was Ullmark, neither was Swayman, neither was Carlo etc

I thought Carlo was good. Maybe you meant Clifton.

Then your post would be perfect.

 

[NDiesel]

It always seems to be the coach's fault whenever the Bruins lose in the playoffs.

Bruins had every opportunity to win game 5 and game 6 and game 7 regardless of coaching decisions. And no one can say they would have won any of them if different coaching decisions were made.

#BlameTuukka

 

[Healthy Wrap]

I thought Carlo was good. Maybe you meant Clifton.

Then your post would be perfect.

Carlo was arguably their best defenseman that series. Which is as much an indictment on McAvoy, Lindholm, and Orlov's play as it is a complement to Carlo.

 

[UncleRico]

Here are some other stats, not being used to say that the "regular" lines are bad, but to show the silliness of cherrypicking extremely small sample sizes and trying to draw a direct "correlation = causation" conclusion.

Monty lines: Bergeron-Marchand -1 each

Regular lines Game 6: Bergeron -3, Marchand -2
Regular lines Game 7: Bergeron -2, Marchand -2 including getting scored on in OT to lose the series


Also- Game 6 Marchand-Bergeron-Debrusk, outshot 2 1/2 to 1, out "corsi'd" by 1.5x and outfenwicked 2 to 1. Their xGF% was 19%.

Again, this is not to say playing those guys together is bad or dumb. It's to show that in a 7 game series, to pick 10 minutes out of 1 game and make some kind of conclusion is hysterically lame.
The B's gave up 1 goal in a 7 game series with Monty lines.

Monty wasn't good. Neither was McAvoy, neither was Ullmark, neither was Swayman, neither was Carlo etc

Holy smokes. Definitely a small sample size, but damn that’s about as ugly as it gets

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Well he is...How can you not see this when he faces the bruins? One of the few guys who can challenge Bergeron at the dot.

Rosner emphasized that even if there were any truth to the proposed trade, it is unlikely that he would endorse Pageau for DeBrusk, let alone include additional players. He pointed out that the trade idea did not align with his assessment of the players’ values, noting the significance of Pageau’s face-off skills, defensive abilities, and contribution to the penalty kill, which would be lost in such a trade. He writes, “Have to remember what team DeBrusk accomplished that with and their roster compared to Isles. I’m not saying DeBrusk is a bad player, but losing Pageau’s face-off and defensive shutdown ability (while also pot. losing Parise meaning top PK) doesn’t make sense to me in this case.”

Pageau is great defensively.

But he's at best a 40 point center (worse than Coyle, whom people already have a problem with his cap hit)

Pageau just adds another high paid middle 6 center that doesn't have the offense, doesn't fit our needs roster-wise or cap-wise, and overall while he is a great role player, not sure he's the answer to anything we currently need.

 

[The don godfather]

Please keep our few good solid prospects we are bone dry there.

 

[Yeti34]

Please keep our few good solid prospects we are bone dry there.

I’m on the same page unless someone miraculously wants to gift us a 30 or under 1c for them I don’t think the Bruins should move them.

 

[DKH]

Ithe

Here are some other stats, not being used to say that the "regular" lines are bad, but to show the silliness of cherrypicking extremely small sample sizes and trying to draw a direct "correlation = causation" conclusion.

Monty lines: Bergeron-Marchand -1 each

Regular lines Game 6: Bergeron -3, Marchand -2
Regular lines Game 7: Bergeron -2, Marchand -2 including getting scored on in OT to lose the series


Also- Game 6 Marchand-Bergeron-Debrusk, outshot 2 1/2 to 1, out "corsi'd" by 1.5x and outfenwicked 2 to 1. Their xGF% was 19%.

Again, this is not to say playing those guys together is bad or dumb. It's to show that in a 7 game series, to pick 10 minutes out of 1 game and make some kind of conclusion is hysterically lame.
The B's gave up 1 goal in a 7 game series with Monty lines.

Monty wasn't good. Neither was McAvoy, neither was Ullmark, neither was Swayman, neither was Carlo etc

Bertuzzi served up pizza foy -1 game 5

I’m not a big +/- guy or stats guy

Even though hough my Math SAT was in the top 20% I am like Burkie and Sweens we rely on years of watching playing and coaching and will use stats here and there

 

[DKH]

That was infuriating as a fan to watch. He made some weird decisions that we didn’t really see from him for most of the year on line combos.

As good as Bert was for us in the playoffs I also don’t think bumping Debrusk down was a great move either.

Bergy back they are going all 2020

 

[DKH]

That was infuriating as a fan to watch. He made some weird decisions that we didn’t really see from him for most of the year on line combos.

As good as Bert was for us in the playoffs I also don’t think bumping Debrusk down was a great move either.

Monty game 5 lines should have been

63-37-74
59-18-88
71-13-11
17-92-21

48-74
27-25
81-75
Ullmark !!!!

He does that they blow them out 7-1

 

[Dizzay]

If we send Forbort to the minors, how much cap relief does that provide us?

 

[DKH]

Here are some other stats, not being used to say that the "regular" lines are bad, but to show the silliness of cherrypicking extremely small sample sizes and trying to draw a direct "correlation = causation" conclusion.

Monty lines: Bergeron-Marchand -1 each

Regular lines Game 6: Bergeron -3, Marchand -2
Regular lines Game 7: Bergeron -2, Marchand -2 including getting scored on in OT to lose the series


Also- Game 6 Marchand-Bergeron-Debrusk, outshot 2 1/2 to 1, out "corsi'd" by 1.5x and outfenwicked 2 to 1. Their xGF% was 19%.

Again, this is not to say playing those guys together is bad or dumb. It's to show that in a 7 game series, to pick 10 minutes out of 1 game and make some kind of conclusion is hysterically lame.
The B's gave up 1 goal in a 7 game series with Monty lines.

Monty wasn't good. Neither was McAvoy, neither was Ullmark, neither was Swayman, neither was Carlo etc

I was sitting with Jess - he will verify to you BOTH Ullmark & McAvoy got hurt in first 12 minutes of Monty’s kids or picked out of a plastic St Patrick’s Day hat

I love butterflies especially Iron Butterfly - so if Monty doesn’t experiment using the butterfly effect - neither Bright Lights or Linus get hurt

Bottom line - Monty cost them game 5 win

 

[The don godfather]

It always seems to be the coach's fault whenever the Bruins lose in the playoffs.

Bruins had every opportunity to win game 5 and game 6 and game 7 regardless of coaching decisions. And no one can say they would have won any of them if different coaching decisions were made.

That game 6 was the ultimate choke job I have ever seen and I wanted to fire everyone except Donny. What a fumble it's like having the ball on the one yard line with 4 chances and fumble it in the end zone.

 

[Blowfish]

Pageau is great defensively.

But he's at best a 40 point center (worse than Coyle, whom people already have a problem with his cap hit)

Pageau just adds another high paid middle 6 center that doesn't have the offense, doesn't fit our needs roster-wise or cap-wise, and overall while he is a great role player, not sure he's the answer to anything we currently need.

2020, 2021 2022/23 season comparison.

Bergeron
Top Line center
.88, .89, .74 points per game played
58, 62, 62, 58 F/O

Pageau
3rd line center
.51, .51, .57 Points per game
57, 56, 58 F/O

I like Pageau because he wouldn't cost the bruins much via trade and would be interesting to see a Bergeron Pageau Coyle down the middle. They would dominate the league puck possession F/O zones and defensive roles. It Wouldn't be a horrible strategy.

 

[Gordoff]

For those who like stats

Game 5 Monty lines

Last 9 minutes 0 shots on goal Florida outscored Bruins

Monty goes back at 12:03 of first

Bruins out shoot Florida 21-0 Bruins outscored Florida

His decisions were so bad that I actually wondered if he wanted to lose.

 

[bruinmann77]

2020, 2021 2022/23 season comparison.

Bergeron
Top Line center
.88, .89, .74 points per game played
58, 62, 62, 58 F/O

Pageau
3rd line center
.51, .51, .57 Points per game
57, 56, 58 F/O

I like Pageau because he wouldn't cost the bruins much via trade and would be interesting to see a Bergeron Pageau Coyle down the middle. They would dominate the league puck possession F/O zones and defensive roles. It Wouldn't be a horrible strategy.

Not if it costing Jake

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Can't believe Montgomery told the players to be soft, turn the puck over, and not impose their will physically on the Panthers.

He must've also told Ullmark to give up more weak goals in that series than he had all season.

If only Montgomery didn't change lines for 10 minutes in the series the Bruins definitely would've won. All his fault.

 

[Blowfish]

Not if it costing Jake

I like Jake and would rather see him traded for a Linholm or Scheifele but that's unrealistic. IMO Pageau straight up for Debrusk is a fair trade.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I like Jake and would rather see him traded for a Linholm or Scheifele but that's unrealistic. IMO Pageau straight up for Debrusk is a fair trade.

It’s a disaster of a trade.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I was sitting with Jess - he will verify to you BOTH Ullmark & McAvoy got hurt in first 12 minutes of Monty’s kids or picked out of a plastic St Patrick’s Day hat

I love butterflies especially Iron Butterfly - so if Monty doesn’t experiment using the butterfly effect - neither Bright Lights or Linus get hurt

Bottom line - Monty cost them game 5 win

Outrageous assumption!

Butterfly's aside.

 

[NDiesel]

I like Jake and would rather see him traded for a Linholm or Scheifele but that's unrealistic. IMO Pageau straight up for Debrusk is a fair trade.

Just dont see the reason why it makes sense. Is he that much better than Coyle? Than Zacha? Would much rather keep Jake if that's all we could get for him.