Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk X

[MarchysNoseKnows]

There are so many people who fail on that Verhaege goal before Grzelcyk "fails" to a block a shot going top corner that even Swayman failed to block.

Carlo and Bergeron are behind the net and lose the battle for the puck. Marchand is a blade length away from the shooter but doesn't block the shot, yet Grzelcyk gets blamed for that goal.

Like the swallows to Capistrano…

 

[BostonBob]

Winckowski and his continious stream of hangers is tiresome. Move?

What was Sweeney thinking of when he signed him ????

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

So Nosek got 1M down from...was it 1.75M? 2? I can't recall.

If he was going to sign for 1M AND they really believed 37/46 were done, would they let him walk for 1M? I know we signed some other C depth, but that's pretty cheap for a guy who knows the system.

I think that's another nudge towards 37 or 37/46 coming back

Not signing or signing a literal 4th liner should have zero connection to Bergeron or Krejci, two top 2 C, albeit ancient in pro-sports terms.

Nosek's role should and will likely be filled by younger players that need NHL experience.

 

[Dr Quincy]

There are so many people who failed on that Verhaege goal before Grzelcyk "fails" to a block a shot going top corner that even Swayman failed to block.

Carlo and Bergeron are behind the net and lose the battle for the puck. Marchand is a blade length away from the shooter but doesn't block the shot, yet Grzelcyk gets blamed for that goal.

Oh blame goes around for sure. Carlo and Marchand maybe the most...

 

[UncleRico]

I wonder how/why he had Vegas so low. I kinda understand all the other ones he was wrong on besides that one and Dallas.

He had that pretty much the whole pacific division wrong on top of those it’s also surprising he had the kings regressing

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

 

[JOKER 192]

Speaking of numbers

Monty game 5 lineup picked out of plastic St Patrick’s Day hat

From 3 minute mark to 12:03 when he changed lines back to regular linemates

Florida 11 attempted shots 1 goal

Boston 0 shots 0 attempts

Lines refigured



Boston 21 shots on net before Florida had one

Summary - Monty wanted to see how the lines would look split up - he found out

A PO game is a brilliant time to be doing such experiments

 

[shelbysdad]

It is an insanely limited stat but i don't agree with this line of thinking either.

For every play like this that he had no fault in, how many times did he miss his guy in front and get bailed out by Ullmark? Or make a bad pinch and get bailed out by his d partner on a 2 on 1? And on and on you can go both ways.

My take on plus/minus (whatever this is worth) is that if you are on a good team, it should be higher in the regular season....because you are playing at least half of teams that aren't as good as you., you should score more and give up less...

Now in the playoffs , teams are much closer so playing better competition should bring your plus/minus closer together

Does it make sense who knows.....

 

[dredeye]

As the roster stands how on earth can they possibly put us winning the division? Leafs will take the division IMO this season.

 

[JOKER 192]

Exactly. That’s why there are better stats to capture what you’re talking about. Thank you.

Or you could just watch the game

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Vegas missed the playoffs the year before. Most people had them missing the playoffs again.

This is why I don't like these predictions as evidence. There is such a lack of imagination, be it algorithm or prognostication.

I'll take this board of "smaht" people over the national punditry any day. Even when I disagree with us.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Or you could just watch the game

Ok. Like when my entire chat saw Bertuzzi fling the pizza and the joke was that we can’t wait to see HFB ding Grizz for his minus when he was over by the bench?

This is why I don't like these predictions as evidence. There is such a lack of imagination, be it algorithm or prognostication.

I'll take this board of "smaht" people over the national punditry any day. Even when I disagree with us.

Not sure what you mean by evidence. JFresh has a model. He runs it and shows the results. And he constantly tells people how his prediction model for team points wasn’t close to being the best. But last year, literally no one had the Bruins with 110 points like he did.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Ok. Like when my entire chat saw Bertuzzi fling the pizza and the joke was that we can’t wait to see HFB ding Grizz for his minus when he was over by the bench?

I'm a fan of Grzelcyk and I thought we needed more of him in this years' playoffs and not less.

However those who are critical aren't using one flimsy example of one lousy goal to justify their opinion. It's a lazy argument.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Ok. Like when my entire chat saw Bertuzzi fling the pizza and the joke was that we can’t wait to see HFB ding Grizz for his minus when he was over by the bench?


Not sure what you mean by evidence. JFresh has a model. He runs it and shows the results. And he constantly tells people how his prediction model for team points wasn’t close to being the best. But last year, literally no one had the Bruins with 110 points like he did.

He also had two division winners who ended up DNQ.

Meaning in the greater sense that these predictions shouldn't be considered any more valid than our own. And certainly not as a condescending takedown of those disappointed with what Sweeney has done this offseason.

EDIT: Also NOT literally no one had the Bruins in first place. Because I did.

 

[JOKER 192]

Ok. Like when my entire chat saw Bertuzzi fling the pizza and the joke was that we can’t wait to see HFB ding Grizz for his minus when he was over by the bench?


Not sure what you mean by evidence. JFresh has a model. He runs it and shows the results. And he constantly tells people how his prediction model for team points wasn’t close to being the best. But last year, literally no one had the Bruins with 110 points like he did.

I don't know which boards you were on but plenty of us called Bert out on that one .

 

[DominicT]

His minus was when Bertuzzi tossed a pizza out front in the defensive zone while Grizz was over by the bench. Plus/Minus is a terrible stat and it just takes something like that (or his other minus being Ullmark’s gaffe) to repudiate it.

It's a terrible stat until Frederic uses it to go to war in arbitration if it gets that far because it blows all his potential comps out of the water.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

It's a terrible stat until Frederic uses it to go to war in arbitration if it gets that far because it blows all his potential comps out of the water.

That’s fine if arbitrators want to be Luddites. Still a terrible stat.

I'm a fan of Grzelcyk and I thought we needed more of him in this years' playoffs and not less.

However those who are critical aren't using one flimsy example of one lousy goal to justify their opinion. It's a lazy argument.

As lazy as telling people who embrace stats other than plus minus to “watch the games”?

 

[DominicT]

That’s fine if arbitrators want to be Luddites. Still a terrible stat.

Why are we reduced to calling arbitrators names when it's the NHL and NHLPA that decides what is acceptable and not acceptable to present to the arbitrator?

You're smarter and better than that.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

That’s fine if arbitrators want to be Luddites. Still a terrible stat.


As lazy as telling people who embrace stats other than plus minus to “watch the games”?

Yes. About as lazy.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Why are we reduced to calling arbitrators names when it's the NHL and NHLPA that decides what is acceptable and not acceptable to present to the arbitrator?

You're smarter and better than that.

Well Luddite isn’t really a “name” Dom. It’s a person opposed to new things. Which I deem accurate. But ok.

I think it’s ludicrous to use that stat to determine a players salary. Beyond the pale. Should Phillipp Kurashev’s -32 playing for the Blackhawks this year radically ding his value in arbitration were he to get there?

 

[bruinmann77]

Btw Nosek was excellent on Face offs as well doing the PK. Hopefully someone steps up

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Well Luddite isn’t really a “name” Dom. It’s a person opposed to new things. Which I deem accurate. But ok.

I think it’s ludicrous to use that stat to determine a players salary. Beyond the pale. Should Phillipp Kurashev’s -32 playing for the Blackhawks this year radically ding his value in arbitration were he to get there?

Haha. Saying you aren’t name calling and then providing the definition of the noun you referenced is really funny.

 

[UncleRico]

That’s fine if arbitrators want to be Luddites. Still a terrible stat.


As lazy as telling people who embrace stats other than plus minus to “watch the games”?

Well Luddite isn’t really a “name” Dom. It’s a person opposed to new things. Which I deem accurate. But ok.

I think it’s ludicrous to use that stat to determine a players salary. Beyond the pale. Should Phillipp Kurashev’s -32 playing for the Blackhawks this year radically ding his value in arbitration were he to get there?

lmao are you aware of what a name is?

 

[dugg133]

I'm gonna ignore all the Gryz talk cause it's getting tiring at this point, but I've been doing a deep dive into some other stuff cause a lot of the talk on here got me curious into the way we deployed the defense, and I'm BIG mad at Monty again.

So when we first acquired Orlov one of the reasons I was so excited was cause I thought it would allow Monty to follow the Tampa blueprint. With them it was Hedman, Sergachev, and Mcdonaugh. They split those three into three separate pairings and would have at least one of them on the ice basically every minute of every single game come playoffs. Crazy stat, but according to natural stat trick from the start of their first cup run in 2020 to their last game against the Avs in 2022 they played 71 playoff games. And in those games they had 67 TOTAL minutes at 5v5 played without any of Hedman, McDonaugh, or Sergachev on the ice. 67 minutes in 71 games, good for an average of 56 seconds a game.

Contrast that to the way the bruins chose to deploy their defense, in just 7 games the bruins had 59 minutes at 5v5 without any of McAvoy, Orlov, or Lindholm. Which is about 8.5 minutes a game. Also for reference, here are the stats in those 59 minutes: 1 GF, 5GA, 32% xGF%. They got caved in.

The blueprint on how to run the defense was right there, Tampa had just went to 3 straight cups with it, and Monty decided to take light it on fire.

 

[mar2kbos]

And yet the Bruins scored 27 goals in 7 playoff games. Nearly 4 goals a game is pretty damn good.

What was the end result of that series? Do you want to be the Leafs now and tell everyone how much they score while still losing? Point still stands, they couldn’t physical handle the series going to 7 games and wore out