Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk X

[Over the volcano]

The odds makers agree. Only the smaht folks here at HF think they suck.

What's he figuring for Bergeron and Krejci?

Check that - in the Twit comments he says that's WITHOUT Bergeron coming back. Pretty bold to have them top 5 in the league with ? at C1 and C2. It must give a whole lot of weight to Marchand and Pasta on the wings up front.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

I know it wasn't a trade, but basically roster wise:
To NJD: Nosek
To BOS: Bovqvist

Decent trade off to get younger. Similar to the roster swapping Haula and Zacha, hope it works out for both sides.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

DeBrusk shared the responsibility of driving the top line with Marchand since he was put on it and eventually was the go-to guy when Marchand started to feel the grind on his surgically repaired hips as the season went on. Everyone has different definitions of what a line driver is but basically what it boils down to is pushing the pace offensively, primarily with your feet and tenacity. When Jake's on his game, those are his two best qualities.

It doesn't change the fact that he's more replaceable than some other "core" members. There are many Jake DeBrusks in the league. He doesn't bring anything all that special or unique.
The contract status is also an issue. He decided to rescind his trade request when he saw cup possibilities (and Cassidy was gone) but if this is the last year (assuming Bergeron comes back one last time) then he would probably go to free agency rather then be part of a rebuild era. The chance to play with McDavid in Edmonton perhaps. We will lose him for nothing so better to trade him now if there is a 1C or 2C option out there.

 

[Over the volcano]

I know it wasn't a trade, but basically roster wise:
To NJD: Nosek
To BOS: Bovqvist

Decent trade off to get younger. Similar to the roster swapping Haula and Zacha, hope it works out for both sides.

We're slowy trading our rosters

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

He helps bridge into cap space heaven 2024 2025

Bridge, bandaid, semantics really.

He's a great one and love the guy.

But if we have a chance to find a medium-long term solution, let's not miss it out because "well we have bergeron".

We'll find a way to make Bergeron fit into whatever roster we have. Acquiring the long term center should still be priority.

Debatable who everyone agrees who that guy is, but there are a limited few that are available. We saw a crazy regular season last year, then limped into the playoffs with our top 2 centers coming back from injury. Only to lose when we actually inserted them back into the lineup.

Either way, I still say they shouldn't pass on C opportunities if presented good offers.

 

[BlackFrancis]

I may not be the sharpest tool in the tool shed, so I am asking for opinions. I believe Sweeney's comments about Matt Grzelcyk are being misinterpreted.

Sweeney said:

“I didn’t start any rumors. So, you want to ask me where they came from? You want to look in the mirror? Maybe you guys started them, you know, is it hypothetical that they’re having conversations about players, our lineup? No. It’s a fact, and there’s no question that I’m never going to discuss whether or not a team has called me. That’s just the job. It doesn’t matter who it is. That’s disrespectful to a player, from my point of view, being a former player.

When I remove the mumbo jumbo that Sweeney likes to add in all his responses, I am left with this:

"is it hypothetical that they’re (other teams) having conversations about players, our lineup? No. It’s a fact. I’m never going to discuss whether or not a team has called me. That’s disrespectful to a player, from my point of view, being a former player."

I am taking that to mean other teams are asking about his players and he is not going to name the team or the player involved.

So, why are so many people (media and fans) taking that to mean he would not trade Grzelcyk?

How far off base am I?

I might be totally wrong, but I think he's trying to say, "You media idiots talking hypothetically about players and the Bruins lineup means exactly eff all. These rumors you are asking me about are entirely self-created, so look in a mirror if you want to speak to an authoritative source on them."

That's the way I read it when it was first transposed here.

 

[DKH]

Regular season:

Games 382, Points 124, +124
82 game average - 27 points, +27

Post-season:

Games 63, Points 124, -19
82 game average - 18 points, -25

Maybe the TD Garden is dimming the lights in the spring?

Speaking of numbers

Monty game 5 lineup picked out of plastic St Patrick’s Day hat

From 3 minute mark to 12:03 when he changed lines back to regular linemates

Florida 11 attempted shots 1 goal

Boston 0 shots 0 attempts

Lines refigured



Boston 21 shots on net before Florida had one

Summary - Monty wanted to see how the lines would look split up - he found out

 

[DKH]

Regular season:

Games 382, Points 124, +124
82 game average - 27 points, +27

Post-season:

Games 63, Points 124, -19
82 game average - 18 points, -25

Maybe the TD Garden is dimming the lights in the spring?

Red Sox 4 WS last 18 years

Tampa zero

 

[Dizzay]

For someone who does not like or dislike Gryz, I kinda hope he wins the lottery and retires so I don't have to read any more dumb f***in assessments from either side

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I might be totally wrong, but I think he's trying to say, "You media idiots talking hypothetically about players and the Bruins lineup means exactly eff all. These rumors you are asking me about are entirely self-created, so look in a mirror if you want to speak to an authoritative source on them."

That's the way I read it when it was first transposed here.

100% agree.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

For someone who does not like or dislike Gryz, I kinda hope he wins the lottery and retires so I don't have to read any more dumb f***in assessments from either side

...until he comes to NESN as the next Raycroft.

 

[dugg133]

What's he figuring for Bergeron and Krejci?

Check that - in the Twit comments he says that's WITHOUT Bergeron coming back. Pretty bold to have them top 5 in the league with ? at C1 and C2. It must give a whole lot of weight to Marchand and Pasta on the wings up front.

It's basically the exact same defense and the same goalie tandem that had them in first place by like 30 points at the trade deadline, or whatever it was. That plus Marchand and Pasta driving the top 2 lines is gonna get them a lot of wins in the regular season, even without Bergeron. Personally don't see them winning the Atlantic without him though, but 104 points doesn't feel wrong to me.

 

[EverettMike]

Speaking of numbers

Monty game 5 lineup picked out of plastic St Patrick’s Day hat

From 3 minute mark to 12:03 when he changed lines back to regular linemates

Florida 11 attempted shots 1 goal

Boston 0 shots 0 attempts

Lines refigured



Boston 21 shots on net before Florida had one

Summary - Monty wanted to see how the lines would look split up - he found out

Yeah, I think Monty had the worst playoff series I've ever seen from a Bruins coach. No argument there.

Not sure what that has to do with my post about Gryz being measurable worse in the post-season. I certainly don't understand what the Tampa Bay Rays have to do with it, either.

 

[goldnblack]

So Nosek got 1M down from...was it 1.75M? 2? I can't recall.

If he was going to sign for 1M AND they really believed 37/46 were done, would they let him walk for 1M? I know we signed some other C depth, but that's pretty cheap for a guy who knows the system.

I think that's another nudge towards 37 or 37/46 coming back

 

[neelynugs]

my read is that nosek saw the kampf contract and figured he could get something similar, since they are similar players.
he lost that bet, bruins already went in another direction and nosek grabbed the best option he could find. happens a lot.
too bad, as he is a very good player in his role, especially for $1M.

 

[DKH]

Yeah, I think Monty had the worst playoff series I've ever seen from a Bruins coach. No argument there.

Not sure what that has to do with my post about Gryz being measurable worse in the post-season. I certainly don't understand what the Tampa Bay Rays have to do with it, either.

Grzelcyk had an abomination of a series against Canes but with his family stuff and shoulder I get it

My time line is last 10 months and he had a strong season

His game 5 overtime Monty had him at RD trying to keep puck in something he’s done basically never off wing

It ended with defensive coverage screw up

Grzelcyk was on the ice and responsible for making those two plays - yet it was a close out game and he was out of comfort zone

I’ve killed Cassidy but if Cassidy coached that team in the playoffs they could go 16-4 or better

Kudos to Bruce he’s brilliant and adjusted and learned which is what the great ones do

Monty was the Red Viper in GoT disrespecting his opponent- joking about getting caught picking nose and experimenting with lines

He didn’t realize Matt Tkachuk was the Mountain and Arya’s sword teacher ‘not today’ and eventually’not this series’

my read is that nosek saw the kampf contract and figured he could get something similar, since they are similar players.
he lost that bet, bruins already went in another direction and nosek grabbed the best option he could find. happens a lot.
too bad, as he is a very good player in his role, especially for $1M.

Yup i would take that - sorry kids (if Bergy back only)

 

[EverettMike]

Grzelcyk had an abomination of a series against Canes but with his family stuff and shoulder I get it

My time line is last 10 months and he had a strong season

His game 5 overtime Monty had him at RD trying to keep puck in something he’s done basically never off wing

It ended with defensive coverage screw up

Grzelcyk was on the ice and responsible for making those two plays - yet it was a close out game and he was out of comfort zone

I’ve killed Cassidy but if Cassidy coached that team in the playoffs they could go 16-4 or better

Kudos to Bruce he’s brilliant and adjusted and learned which is what the great ones do

Monty was the Red Viper in GoT disrespecting his opponent- joking about getting caught picking nose and experimenting with lines

He didn’t realize Matt Tkachuk was the Mountain and Arya’s sword teacher ‘not today’ and eventually’not this series’


Yup i would take that - sorry kids (if Bergy back only)

But that's why I gave all his stats for both the regular season and the playoffs. Over the course of his career he has not been the same player when the sun starts setting after 7. This isn't about a few games.

I spent years adamantly defending him and citing his advanced numbers as a reason to overlook his post-season issues. I figured it was a fluke. But after awhile I realized the game gets too fast and too strong for him in the playoffs, which is why I think he struggles so much. And for as much as he brings for 82, I don't want anyone I can't trust when the playoff begin.

The fact he got benched shows I'm not the only "smaht" person who feels this way.

 

[Yeti34]

Great post

I keep hearing how Florida was to big and tough for Grzelcyk yet games 3 and 4 in Florida with last call on matchups - Grzelcyk was in lineup for the 4-2 and 6-2 wins but not game 6 a 7-5 loss

He was also a -1 with 0 points during his 4 games.

 

[NDiesel]

But that's why I gave all his stats for both the regular season and the playoffs. Over the course of his career he has not been the same player when the sun starts setting after 7. This isn't about a few games.

I spent years adamantly defending him and citing his advanced numbers as a reason to overlook his post-season issues. I figured it was a fluke. But after awhile I realized the game gets too fast and too strong for him in the playoffs, which is why I think he struggles so much. And for as much as he brings for 82, I don't want anyone I can't trust when the playoff begin.

The fact he got benched shows I'm not the only "smaht" person who feels this way.

I absolutely agree with this. I've been a big Gryz guy for a while, but I think at some point we gotta look at him and realize he shouldn't be a top 4D in the playoffs on a contender. If they want to bring him back on the 3rd pair and pair him with a bigger body I'd be cool with it, but please no more top pair in the post season. He was great in 2019 on pair 3 with Clifton.

And this is coming from a guy who played hockey at 5 foot 6...at minimum a dman his size should be providing offense, it's crazy to me how few points he gets.

 

[Sheppy]

He was also a -1 with 0 points during his 4 games.

He was -6 in 5 games the playoffs before, too. In fact, he's not once been a positive +/- player in the post season.

 

[Dr Quincy]

The odds makers agree. Only the smaht folks here at HF think they suck.

I think they'll be good. Top 3 in their division, but fwiw: he's not an oddsmaker, and if you read the thread he's not exactly comfortable w/ what his model is predicting(not specifcally talking about the Bruins but just in general). He just plugs in his data and lets the model spit out the results.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

He was also a -1 with 0 points during his 4 games.

His minus was when Bertuzzi tossed a pizza out front in the defensive zone while Grizz was over by the bench. Plus/Minus is a terrible stat and it just takes something like that (or his other minus being Ullmark’s gaffe) to repudiate it.

 

[Yeti34]

His minus was when Bertuzzi tossed a pizza out front in the defensive zone while Grizz was over by the bench. Plus/Minus is a terrible stat and it just takes something like that (or his other minus being Ullmark’s gaffe) to repudiate it.

For one game yes it’s not indicative but when your a career -19 in the playoffs lowest among all Bruins dmen then there is a issue.

 

[DKH]

But that's why I gave all his stats for both the regular season and the playoffs. Over the course of his career he has not been the same player when the sun starts setting after 7. This isn't about a few games.

I spent years adamantly defending him and citing his advanced numbers as a reason to overlook his post-season issues. I figured it was a fluke. But after awhile I realized the game gets too fast and too strong for him in the playoffs, which is why I think he struggles so much. And for as much as he brings for 82, I don't want anyone I can't trust when the playoff begin.

The fact he got benched shows I'm not the only "smaht" person who feels this way.

I like Grzelcyk and as Lou says he’s a really good regular season player but in playoffs teams go after him

I’m very good regular season with him and protecting and managing hin playoffs

Still I got get Hanifin who’s 6’2

 

[TCB]

lol, Jfresh has us finishing first in the Atlantic right now

Winnipeg ?