Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk X

[JOKER 192]

I'm gonna ignore all the Gryz talk cause it's getting tiring at this point, but I've been doing a deep dive into some other stuff cause a lot of the talk on here got me curious into the way we deployed the defense, and I'm BIG mad at Monty again.

So when we first acquired Orlov one of the reasons I was so excited was cause I thought it would allow Monty to follow the Tampa blueprint. With them it was Hedman, Sergachev, and Mcdonaugh. They split those three into three separate pairings and would have at least one of them on the ice basically every minute of every single game come playoffs. Crazy stat, but according to natural stat trick from the start of their first cup run in 2020 to their last game against the Avs in 2022 they played 71 playoff games. And in those games they had 67 TOTAL minutes at 5v5 played without any of Hedman, McDonaugh, or Sergachev on the ice. 67 minutes in 71 games, good for an average of 56 seconds a game.

Contrast that to the way the bruins chose to deploy their defense, in just 7 games the bruins had 59 minutes at 5v5 without any of McAvoy, Orlov, or Lindholm. Which is about 8.5 minutes a game. Also for reference, here are the stats in those 59 minutes: 1 GF, 5GA, 32% xGF%. They got caved in.

The blueprint on how to run the defense was right there, Tampa had just went to 3 straight cups with it, and Monty decided to take light it on fire.

Now them is some relevant advanced stats

 

[KrejciWinger]

The blueprint on how to run the defense was right there, Tampa had just went to 3 straight cups with it, and Monty decided to take light it on fire.

It was so frustrating to watch. Everything revolved around keeping Forbort in the lineup, and they kept forcing McAvoy with Orlov.... Orlov is a good player but every time he flew up the ice, 73 looked completely lost and was often caught pinching himself.

McAvoy needs to drive the play and Grzelcyk is good at staying back and resetting play in the neutral zone. I honestly think the trade deadline completely threw the roster. Even Bertuzzi taking Debrusk's spot was baffling.

 

[dugg133]

It was so frustrating to watch. Everything revolved around keeping Forbort in the lineup, and they kept forcing McAvoy with Orlov.... Orlov is a good player but every time he flew up the ice, 73 looked completely lost and was often caught pinching himself.

McAvoy needs to drive the play and Grzelcyk is good at staying back and resetting play in the neutral zone. I honestly think the trade deadline completely threw the roster. Even Bertuzzi taking Debrusk's spot was baffling.

It was genuinely infuriating to watch in real time, and there's a lesson the team hopefully learns about not relying too heavily on limited players for special teams. Going back to the lightning as the blueprint, their top 4 PKers in their 3 straight cup runs was McDonaugh, Cernak, Hedman, and Sergachev. Those guys were also coincidentally their best 4 defenseman. No danger of having to build their lineup around keeping a third pair guy in just for PK reasons.

 

[Dizzay]

1. +/- is an ok stat. It doesn't tell you everything you need to know about the player, such as who you are playing with, quality of goaltending, scoring line vs checking line etc. But at 10,000 feet, if you are top 3-5 in the regular season in the stat and then go in the opposite direction, it's more than dumb luck.......there's a reason Bergy is always a + player.

2. Frederic- 17 goals 31 points +28, kills some penalties and a few tillys. My guess, if they don't come to terms before his date, we're looking at somewhere between 2.4 and 2.8 million. I don't think that's unreasonable for what he brings to the table. Think he can develop into 20-25 goal, 40-45 point guy.

3. I pondered to myself last night.......opening night, Bergy returns, which jersey do I wear, my all time favorite #17 Lucic or my favorite for the past 7 years in Bergy? Then I thought.....what a great problem that would be to have.

4. Serious question....... @MarchysNoseKnows do you use words like "repudiate" and "abhor" while sitting around chatting with friends or just on HF Boards? just kidding pal! I dig it!

5. Last serious question: Does Gryz + Frederic get you Noah Hanifin? If so, would we consider it?Calgary is tight against the cap but for us, I think it makes a lot of sense. A top 4 of Hanifin-McAvoy LIndholm-Carlo and tandem of Ullmark-Swayman is tops in the league, without a doubt.

 

[Dr Quincy]

So the complaints now are:
1. Monty changed the forward lines that had given them a 3-1 series lead. They were up 3-1 so there was zero reason to change what was working.
2. Monty DIDN'T change the D pairings that had given them a 3-1 series lead.

 

[DKH]

A PO game is a brilliant time to be doing such experiments

He said it was his idea

He never ran it by coaches for their take

He never asked two HOF players what there tske was being split up after 600+ games in an elimination

I watched Jamie Hirsxh interview Monty and adorable son on the he bench at All Star game and if you go back and watch it sounds like what happened game 5

Oh man I'm surprised he's not also down on the Vikings

He’s an Cousins interception away

 

[DKH]

I'd be shocked to this day if Gryz had not been maimed in the first two games. Recall, Florida running around with a spare rulebook on their side until Tkachuk had to be fined to calm them down.

If I’m the other team I scan the lineup looking for prey

Look at the two Avalanche sub 6 defenseman

They destroyed Girard with a kill shot that broke his sternum

They ran at Maker so much he lost it and got suspended

M first ‘light dawns on Marblehead’ was 2010 game 4 Bruins up 3-0 in games - Mike Richards sets up Krejci

I know the hit

Changed history bad and good

So the complaints now are:
1. Monty changed the forward lines that had given them a 3-1 series lead. They were up 3-1 so there was zero reason to change what was working.
2. Monty DIDN'T change the D pairings that had given them a 3-1 series lead.

Just read me I have it all down - behjnd the scene stuff never shared

 

[Dizzay]

As it stands today, ideal opening night line ups for me are as follows:

Marchy-Bergy-Debrusk
Zacha-Krejci-Pasta
JVR-Coyle-Geekie
Lucic-Boqvist-Lauko
Brown

Hanifin-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Lohrei-Shattenkirk
Zboril

Ullmark
Swayman

Freddy+ Gryz for Hanifin

 

[DKH]

For those who like stats

Game 5 Monty lines

Last 9 minutes 0 shots on goal Florida outscored Bruins

Monty goes back at 12:03 of first

Bruins out shoot Florida 21-0 Bruins outscored Florida

 

[The don godfather]

For those who like stats

Game 5 Monty lines

Last 9 minutes 0 shots on goal Florida outscored Bruins

Monty goes back at 12:03 of first

Bruins out shoot Florida 21-0 Bruins outscored Florida

That was 2010 bruins redux when we played Panthers. Self implosion at the finest. Honestly they should take Monty jack Adams trophy back he was horrible.

 

[CellyHard]

So Brett Howden, 25 year old, just got 1.9 x 2 with basically the exact same points per game as Frederic over the last two years...how hard is it to see that Freddy is worth 2 million and settling somewhere near it

 

[DKH]

That was 2010 bruins redux when we played Panthers. Self implosion at the finest. Honestly they should take Monty jack Adams trophy back he was horrible.

Monty made mistakes but he’s a good person and coach and deserves another opportunity

He should bounce major changes at crucial times off his assistant coaches, GM, and letter wrearing players

Acting alone or consulting only family is not something that gets you hired

Focus for game 5 should not have been on seeing how lines look but winning

 

[Over the volcano]

So Brett Howden, 25 year old, just got 1.9 x 2 with basically the exact same points per game as Frederic over the last two years...how hard is it to see that Freddy is worth 2 million and settling somewhere near it

Howden had 13 pts this season and has only averaged 50ish games a year lately. He had one hell of a playoff run though...

 

[Over the volcano]

The line shuffling for game 5 was obviously a mistake in hindsight but in fairness to Montgomery it had worked for him all year with that team. There was no real reason to think it wouldn't again.

 

[NDiesel]

That was 2010 bruins redux when we played Panthers. Self implosion at the finest. Honestly they should take Monty jack Adams trophy back he was horrible.

Paul Maurice had a ton of losing before he finally got his team on a deep run last year.

Bruce had some heartbreak and seems to have learned from it.

Monty can hopefully take what happened and improve this season.

 

[mjhfb]

Very debatable, but I still think the biggest Monty decision to look back on was whether or not to rest and protect the core versus letting them keep playing and get injured chasing regular season records (and I don't mean Bergy with his sick Dad).
In any case, there is no way that Monty is not a better coach now because of his experiences.
And he'll need to be with the new roster.

 

[Over the volcano]

Very debatable, but I still think the biggest Monty decision to look back on was whether or not to rest and protect the core versus letting them keep playing and get injured chasing regular season records (and I don't mean Bergy with his sick Dad).
In any case, there is no way that Monty is not a better coach now because of his experiences.
And he'll need to be with the new roster.

Think even that was overblown a bit - Bergeron played 4 of their 7 games in April after only missing one game all year.

 

[Patdud]

As it stands today, ideal opening night line ups for me are as follows:

Marchy-Bergy-Debrusk
Zacha-Krejci-Pasta
JVR-Coyle-Geekie
Lucic-Boqvist-Lauko
Brown

Hanifin-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Lohrei-Shattenkirk
Zboril

Ullmark
Swayman

Freddy+ Gryz for Hanifin

dont see how you get Hanifin without lohrei and tbh whats the point of keeping him if you trade for and sign Hanifin hes like only three/four years older at this point and you've effectively blocked him.

Lohrei, Gryz, Debrusk for Hanifin and Lindholm.

 

[rocketdan9]

Very debatable, but I still think the biggest Monty decision to look back on was whether or not to rest and protect the core versus letting them keep playing and get injured chasing regular season records (and I don't mean Bergy with his sick Dad).
In any case, there is no way that Monty is not a better coach now because of his experiences.
And he'll need to be with the new roster.

Was it really his call tho?

I also dont blame Bergy... but he wanted to play for his family (MTL game)

In hindsight...Bergy doesnt play that game. Ullmark doesnt play 6 games in a row in the 1st round.

In terms of the goaltending. He wont make the same mistake. But with Bergeron or Marchand. There is little he can do

 

[dangermike]

dont see how you get Hanifin without lohrei and tbh whats the point of keeping him if you trade for and sign Hanifin hes like only three/four years older at this point and you've effectively blocked him.

Lohrei, Gryz, Debrusk for Hanifin and Lindholm.

Lohrei is pretty valuable since gryz will likely be gone after this season

Edit- I’d rather use a Harrison type where we have a lot of positional overlap

 

[TCB]

Lohrei is pretty valuable since gryz will likely be gone after this season

Edit- I’d rather use a Harrison type where we have a lot of positional overlap

I think Conroy would prefer Lohrei. I really don't see any deal that brings Hanifin to Boston that Lohrei doesn't go the other way.

Actually I'd just soon keep Lohrei myself, he may turn out to be just as good as Hanifin, if it was in the package that brought Lindholm and Hanifin to Boston, I'd do it, but just in a deal to get Hanifin, I'll pass.

 

[Number8]

This endless talk about Gryz drives me nuts.

Makes me think the Natives and the Dead Rabbits had it right. Pick your position, go out into the square and beat the shit out of each other until one side prevails.

The incessant bickering over size, defensive ability, transition game, rumor mill, +/-, PO performance, ability to hold up to PO physicality, and just about everything else is tedious.

Wake me up when he's traded or receives a firm vote of confidence by B's management.

 

[EverettMike]

Very debatable, but I still think the biggest Monty decision to look back on was whether or not to rest and protect the core versus letting them keep playing and get injured chasing regular season records (and I don't mean Bergy with his sick Dad).
In any case, there is no way that Monty is not a better coach now because of his experiences.
And he'll need to be with the new roster.

Good because this has already been fully debunked by Patrice Bergeron himself.

 

[The don godfather]

Monty made mistakes but he’s a good person and coach and deserves another opportunity

He should bounce major changes at crucial times off his assistant coaches, GM, and letter wrearing players

Acting alone or consulting only family is not something that gets you hired

Focus for game 5 should not have been on seeing how lines look but winning

3 games to 1 with multiple leads in game 6 and a minute to go in game 7 with a lead and blowing that too is a scar on this franchise that will never go away. Yes I'm still butt hurt and I would do a coaching change even now. I'm truly pissed and heads should roll over this debacle. Donny did everything in his power to deliver us the holy grail and players and coaches should have a short leash this season. That team was built for a deep run and went out like puff the magic dragon. Unreal still.

 

[Blowfish]

not even close to one of the best defensive centers in the league LOL

Well he is...How can you not see this when he faces the bruins? One of the few guys who can challenge Bergeron at the dot.

Rosner emphasized that even if there were any truth to the proposed trade, it is unlikely that he would endorse Pageau for DeBrusk, let alone include additional players. He pointed out that the trade idea did not align with his assessment of the players’ values, noting the significance of Pageau’s face-off skills, defensive abilities, and contribution to the penalty kill, which would be lost in such a trade. He writes, “Have to remember what team DeBrusk accomplished that with and their roster compared to Isles. I’m not saying DeBrusk is a bad player, but losing Pageau’s face-off and defensive shutdown ability (while also pot. losing Parise meaning top PK) doesn’t make sense to me in this case.”