2023 NHL Entry Draft

[SlafySZN]

That's why i'm less nervous with this team picking Smith. Being in the NCAA and away from our development system for atleast another year is a big plus.

We’re not under the Bergevin organisation anymore.

 

[26Mats]

That's why i'm less nervous with this team picking Smith. Being in the NCAA and away from our development system for atleast another year is a big plus.

Development is a big point if emphasis for HuGo. Let's see if they can get it right.

Gorton seems to think players can develop well at the NHL level, even if it's tough for them at first.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Development is a big point if emphasis for HuGo. Let's see if they can get it right.

Gorton seems to think pkayers can develop well at the NHL level, even if it's tough for them at first.

Yeah and he's wrong about that.

 

[26Mats]

Yeah and he's wrong about that.

I do like the old saying: "a player never played too many years in the AHL, but he might have played too few." Not sure why Gorton doesn't.

Harris and Guhle seem to be ready to develop at the NHL level without needing to be sent down to the A. It remains to be seen for Slaf, Xhekaj, and Barron. Heineman too.

RHP, Ylonen, and Kovacevic have put in their AHL time and as re ready for their next stage of development to be in the NHL. It remains to be seen about Primeau.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I do like the old saying: "a player never played too many years in the AHL, but he might have p lo Ayer too few." Not sure why Gorton doesn't.

Harris and Guhle seem to be ready to develop at the NHL level without needing to be sent down to the A. It remains to be seen for Slaf, Xhekaj, and Barron. Heineman too.

RHP, Ylonen, and Kovacevic have put in their AHL time and as re ready for their next stage of development to be in the NHL. It remains to be seen about Primeau.

There's nothing wrong with stepping into the NHL without going to the AHL per se. If they're ready for it, then go ahead. What I have a problem with is putting 18 year olds into the NHL before they're ready just to watch them struggle to keep their noses above water.

Lehkonen came right into the NHL, but he had stayed in Sweden for 2 years, and had some huge success in the playoffs for Frölunda. Suzuki came right into the NHL, after winning OHL playoff MVP. Caufield stepped right into the NHL, but after winning the Hobey Baker.

 

[26Mats]

There's nothing wrong with stepping into the NHL without going to the AHL per se. If they're ready for it, then go ahead. What I have a problem with is putting 18 year olds into the NHL before they're ready just to watch them struggle to keep their noses above water.

Lehkonen came right into the NHL, but he had stayed in Sweden for 2 years, and had some huge success in the playoffs for Frölunda. Suzuki came right into the NHL, after winning OHL playoff MVP. Caufield stepped right into the NHL, but after winning the Hobey Baker.

I hear you. Apparently Gorton thinks Slaf and Xhekaj were ready to learn on the job, barron wasn't ready at first, until he was later in the year.

 

[River Meadow]

That's why i'm less nervous with this team picking Smith. Being in the NCAA and away from our development system for atleast another year is a big plus.

Michkov is the dream.

A guy who may never even come over at all.

LFGGGGGGGGGGG

 

[River Meadow]

Wow..

Dvorsky looks real skillful in the U18s, like tons of crafty smart plays while also showing good agility and great strength/size.

I didn't know he was this talented tbh.

Is he good enough to be picked where we will be picking is the question..... (probably not but in Hughes&Gorton we trust, or something)

 

[WeThreeKings]

Wow..

Dvorsky looks real skillful in the U18s, like tons of crafty smart plays while also showing good agility and great strength/size.

I didn't know he was this talented tbh.

Is he good enough to be picked where we will be picking is the question..... (probably not but in Hughes&Gorton we trust, or something)

I wouldn't consider him unless we are at 7. Even then he's not my guy, but he's interchangeable there depending on traits you covet.

That being said, a lot of scouts quotables, including EC scouts and Craig Button , have been quoted they don't think he has high point potential.

 

[sandviper]

And we need a top defenceman. And a top goalie for that matter.

A top coaching staff when we‘re ready to compete would be great as well.

 

[Favster]

I really think people are underestimating Reinbacher around here and I expect him to go higher than anticipated based on most lists I've seen. We have a bad habit (me included) of overvaluing smaller skilled forwards over players with bigger frames and a more efficient playstyle. It's probably reactionary behaviour to GMs taking bigger players and passing on pure skill.

The difference with Reinbacher is he seems to have all the tools to be a top D/ top pairing 25+ minute workhorse. I see him as having a similar impact to Pietrangelo to the team he goes to; he's a stud.

FYI this is coming from a guy who prayed we draft Q Hughes over KK so I'm not horny on size, I just think we are undervaluing him big time because of it, if that makes any sense? He isn't a sexy pick but has the potential to become the type of Dman every team dreams to have.

 

[Jaynki]

I really think people are underestimating Reinbacher around here and I expect him to go higher than anticipated most people's draft list. We have bad habit (me included) of overvaluing smaller skilled forwards over players with bigger frames and a more efficient playstyle. It's probably reactionary behaviour to GMs taking bigger players and passing on pure skill.

The difference with Reinbacher is he seems to have all the tools to be a top D/ top pairing 25+ minute workhorse. I see him as having a similar impact to Pietrangelo to the team he goes to; he's a stud.

FYI this is coming from a guy who prayed we draft Q Hughes over KK so I'm not horny on size, I just think we are undervaluing him big time because of it, if that makes any sense? He isn't a sexy pick but has the potential to become the type of Dman every team dreams to have.

100% agree with you on Reinbacher. I don't think it is out of the question he goes top 5 to be honest. Big RHD with his mobility, physicality, two way plays and skills level are a rare breed.

 

[Garnet76]

My worry about Reinbacher is his upside. Picking a top 4 defenseman at 5 doesn't interest me and think it's a very safe pick. If management think he's a top pairing defenseman then okay. At 5 the Habs need a top 3 forward or top pairing defenseman. The prospect pool has a lot of decent players and it's time to take a swing for a star!

 

[Jaynki]

My worry about Reinbacher is his upside. Picking a top 4 defenseman at 5 doesn't interest me and think it's a very safe pick. If management think he's a top pairing defenseman then okay. At 5 the Habs need a top 3 forward or top pairing defenseman. The prospect pool has a lot of decent players and it's time to take a swing for a star!

Well, the only sure star in my opinion is Bedard. Some players after him will probably develop into stars but its everyone guesses. The next big star after Bedard could be f***ing Colby Barlow for all we know.

This being said, Reinbacher legitimate upside are those of a top pairing defenseman. He has the tools and style to be a solid, two way D who plays top PK and against opposition top lines 25/min a night. Will he be a star? I dont know? Will he be a 1D? Dont know. But the potential is there.

 

[Favster]

My worry about Reinbacher is his upside. Picking a top 4 defenseman at 5 doesn't interest me and think it's a very safe pick. If management think he's a top pairing defenseman then okay. At 5 the Habs need a top 3 forward or top pairing defenseman. The prospect pool has a lot of decent players and it's time to take a swing for a star!

Reinbacher 100% has top pairing potential, his floor is top 4 IMO. His draft year is superior to Seider's and look what he turned out to be. I'm not saying it would be a mistake to pass on him at 5 or 6, I just think he will be valued by NHL GMs much more than we are seeing in some lists on here.

 

[1000eeer]

My dream scenario (apart from winning the lottery of course):

5th or 6th : Michkov (Him and Bedard are exceptional talents. 100 + pts potential).

17th: Oliver Moore (In the shadow of the Perrault - Smith -Leonard line. Would bring something different than Suzuki).

 

[Pazucha]

Just go all in ->
Reinbacher (5th)
ASP (17th)
Willander (2nd round)
Strbak (3rd round)

Slafko will carry the offense dont worry

 

[NekkiChiconey]

I'm at a point where I'm pretty comfortable with my top-12 right now:

1. Connor Bedard

2. Adam Fantilli
3. Matvei Michkov

4. Leo Carlsson
5. Zach Benson
6. Will Smith

7. David Reinbacher
8. Dalibor Dvorsky
9. Ryan Leonard

10. Oliver Moore
11. Calum Ritchie
12. Dimitri Simashev

The only change I could see is moving Reinbacher up into that 3rd tier based on his WC performance. I hope we can grab a player from tier 3, but at least we're guaranteed one from tier 4. Hopefully we could move up and get 2 players from that list.

Past that, I have a cluster of high-potential prospects who I have a harder time projecting: Sale, Cristall, Perreault, Yager, ASP...

 

[Hins77]

I really think people are underestimating Reinbacher around here and I expect him to go higher than anticipated based on most postes lists I've seen. We have a bad habit (me included) of overvaluing smaller skilled forwards over players with bigger frames and a more efficient playstyle. It's probably reactionary behaviour to GMs taking bigger players and passing on pure skill.

The difference with Reinbacher is he seems to have all the tools to be a top D/ top pairing 25+ minute workhorse. I see him as having a similar impact to Pietrangelo to the team he goes to; he's a stud.

FYI this is coming from a guy who prayed we draft Q Hughes over KK so I'm not horny on size, I just think we are undervaluing him big time because of it, if that makes any sense? He isn't a sexy pick but has the potential to become the type of Dman every team dreams to have.

GM are comparing size of juniors players vs player currently in the NHL. This is why Marco Rossi fell a bit even if he had a really good season in the OHL. If you expect Rossi as a futur first line center in the NHL. Wich one in the NHL is 5ft 8 and first line center ? None
Same for Savoie last year, gauthier, Korchinsky, kasper been pickup before him cause he was 5 ft 9.
I expect the same in Benson. Many GM will prefer a 6ft2 Dman doing well in a swiss league over a 5 ft 9 guy

 

[waitin425]

I am praying for Bedard or Michkov with our first pick.

With our Florida pick I want PLD, ASP or Barlow

 

[WinterLion]

I really think people are underestimating Reinbacher around here and I expect him to go higher than anticipated based on most postes lists I've seen. We have a bad habit (me included) of overvaluing smaller skilled forwards over players with bigger frames and a more efficient playstyle. It's probably reactionary behaviour to GMs taking bigger players and passing on pure skill.

The difference with Reinbacher is he seems to have all the tools to be a top D/ top pairing 25+ minute workhorse. I see him as having a similar impact to Pietrangelo to the team he goes to; he's a stud.

FYI this is coming from a guy who prayed we draft Q Hughes over KK so I'm not horny on size, I just think we are undervaluing him big time because of it, if that makes any sense? He isn't a sexy pick but has the potential to become the type of Dman every team dreams to have.

Pietrangelo had INSANE passing skills as a prospect...

It's not that I don't agree with you... but I'm curious what is it Reinbacher does at an elite level? I like him a lot but I would like for him to have one elite skill... maybe it's his defensive reads?

I'm at a point where I'm pretty comfortable with my top-12 right now:

1. Connor Bedard

2. Adam Fantilli
3. Matvei Michkov

4. Leo Carlsson
5. Zach Benson
6. Will Smith

7. David Reinbacher
8. Dalibor Dvorsky
9. Ryan Leonard

10. Oliver Moore
11. Calum Ritchie
12. Dimitri Simashev

The only change I could see is moving Reinbacher up into that 3rd tier based on his WC performance. I hope we can grab a player from tier 3, but at least we're guaranteed one from tier 4. Hopefully we could move up and get 2 players from that list.

Past that, I have a cluster of high-potential prospects who I have a harder time projecting: Sale, Cristall, Perreault, Yager, ASP...

If we in fact get pick #17, then I think we will be able to draft one of those guys there.

 

[Favster]

Pietrangelo had INSANE passing skills as a prospect...

It's not that I don't agree with you... but I'm curious what is it Reinbacher does at an elite level? I like him a lot but I would like for him to have one elite skill... maybe it's his defensive reads?



If we in fact get pick #17, then I think we will be able to draft one of those guys there.

Lets not forget Reinbacher is playing in a pro league and his breakout is pretty damn impressive for a kid IMO, how good would he look with that pass playing in the OHL? I'd say his best skill for now is his gap control so ya, defensive reads is kind of in the same realm. He has a lot of untapped offensive potential IMO. I'm a big fan of his game.

 

[phillytennis]

If we wish to draft Dvorsky as a top six centre, we will basically saying to Dach,
"you are playing wing"...but happens to Dach
if he wants to play centre...what?...on the 3rd line? He's too good for the 3rd line.

 

[Jaynki]

To put things into perspective,

Reinbacher would probably be in the same tier as draft year Nemec or draft year Jiricek. I am not sure we could comfortably state that one is better than the other. Its a matter of preference more than a difference in talent.

If we wish to draft Dvorsky as a top six centre, we will basically saying to Dach,
"you are playing wing"...but happens to Dach
if he wants to play centre...what?...on the 3rd line? He's too good for the 3rd line.

I don't see any problem with having three good top 6C. At worst its very good trade bait to acquire a missing pieces

 

[Habricot]

He's not in the top tier for Ds, and he's not close to it.

They showed stats of fastest speed recorded in the NHL this year on RDS few weeks back... guess who was no.2? Our own Ghule, ahead of Mcjesus.

I thought it was all positional, we had to get a #1C.

No everyone were freaking out at the possibility of drafting Tkachuck because he was a Bergevin type guy with lots of Character. Also there was positional needs but this was not the primary element of the debate. Also majority of this board were pushing for Zadina over these 2! Just to say how much of these drafts are not pure science. You also need luck. Ghule's year was supposed to be badbecause of covid. But look at him and Mercer. not so shaby!