2023 NHL Entry Draft

[SOLR]

Its like saying a supercar is slow because their time is slightly worse on a lap, in your example

Slightly worse? I don't think so. In sports, small differences create a big difference in outcomes.

U sure u meant McDavid and not Savoie

Congrats finding 1 example where Guhle isn't skating with McDavid.

 

[Vachon23]

I have no worry about his upside. Dmen like him don't grow on trees.

And when teams have one, they don't trade him

 

[Mrb1p]

Slightly worse? I don't think so. In sports, small differences create a big difference in outcomes.



Congrats finding 1 example where Guhle isn't skating with McDavid.

Your beef with Guhle is so weird lmao. He's literally flying out there on a nightly basis and you're just like nope, not fast, nope, SOLR never wrong.

Its okay to be wrong, you can even do what we all do around here and just deny youve ever said something stupid, or better yet, move the goalposts "You see, I said Guhle wasn't fast, but I was comparing him to a Sukhoi SU-27, he's very slow compared to that!" and then you can stay right!

And then we can all wasting time trying to reason with you.

 

[Jaynki]

Dvorsky would be a disaster of a pick where we’re picking and what will be on the board. Maybe if we were the 10th pick

Ps. Are these new ads that take up half the screen driving anyone else up the wall lately?

Care to elaborate?

 

[JT3]

Mateychuk and Mintyukov rose quite a bit late also I thought... I guess it depends on where you were looking...

From what I remember Mintyukov was generally in the 10~ range and Mateychuk varied a little more between 10-20 on rankings but many didn't expect him to fall beyond 15 or so. Definitely depends what lists you were watching though!

 

[Lockin17]

at least we are pretty sure to land either Dvorsky or Reinbacher that makes my day , even at #7
But Smith is my pick even before Mitchov

 

[Mrb1p]

Were guaranteed to have a heck of a prospect with the Habs pick, thats for sure.

 

[The Great Weal]

Were guaranteed to have a heck of a prospect with the Habs pick, thats for sure.

Until we force them to play in the NHL with shit linemates and ice time

 

[JT3]

I keep seeing the narrative that Reinbacher might 'only' be a top 4 D. Yeah it's possible, but I think it's just as likely Smith or Benson 'only' become a 2nd line forward as it is Reinbacher becoming a top 4 D. And the top 4 D is probably still more valuable anyways.

But I think Reinbacher has everything you want in a top pair guy, he just doesn't provide the same flash as the forwards putting up lofty point totals so it's not as sexy a pick for some around here. People placed the same label on Sanderson as he rose up the board because he wasn't as sexy a pick as the forwards, but he had all the tools and he probably goes 2 or 3 in a redraft now.

 

[SOLR]

Your beef with Guhle is so weird lmao. He's literally flying out there on a nightly basis and you're just like nope, not fast, nope, SOLR never wrong.

Its okay to be wrong, you can even do what we all do around here and just deny youve ever said something stupid, or better yet, move the goalposts "You see, I said Guhle wasn't fast, but I was comparing him to a Sukhoi SU-27, he's very slow compared to that!" and then you can stay right!

And then we can all wasting time trying to reason with you.

You are wasting time? lol
Somehow you are a victim? This is absurd.

You keep misrepresenting what I'm saying:

1) I have no beef with Guhle...that's so ridiculous. All I said is that he's not in the same tier as Dahlin and Makar as a skater.

2) The fact that I'm analytical about the spots he needs to improve on vs. accepting the blanket "he's flying out there" is what is getting heat on from you and others. Speaks volumes about other things than arguments on hockey forums. Are you really saying Guhle has nothing to improve on when it comes to speed?

3) I'm wrong about what exactly? nobody is even providing another argument about the points I'm making. You are all busy saying "shut up, he's flying". Does he have a competitive first 3 steps with Dahlin? Hell no.

4) Read all my posts, I've been making the exact same argument 20 different ways in the hopes that I would get a real argument back. Not moving the goal post, you are currently moving goal posts with your weird victim routine. Straight line speed =/ on ice speed.

5) I'm not saying I'm never wrong, never did. We are not even having a conversation...

 

[Mrb1p]

Until we force them to play in the NHL with shit linemates and ice time

Lmao im trying to be positive here, new outlook on life.

La vie après Bergevin

 

[The Great Weal]

Lmao im trying to be positive here

Gross

 

[Guy Larose]

Anybody hear Leroux on RDS AC last week? Saying he spoke to people around the league and that it's known that Michkov's entourage is not very good, somewhat like Galchenyuk's, and that he doubts he comes out early from what he's hearing?

 

[Jack Skellington]

Slightly worse? I don't think so. In sports, small differences create a big difference in outcomes.



Congrats finding 1 example where Guhle isn't skating with McDavid.

If only Guhle could move as fast as you move goal posts

 

[Vachon23]

 

[waitin425]

Let's get him in the 2nd round.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Anybody hear Leroux on RDS AC last week? Saying he spoke to people around the league and that it's known that Michkov's entourage is not very good, somewhat like Galchenyuk's, and that he doubts he comes out early from what he's hearing?

Yes. So much noise surrounding. I am starting to get some Filatov/Yakupov vibe from him. I highly doubt we select him and he will be a faller IMO.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I wouldn't consider him unless we are at 7. Even then he's not my guy, but he's interchangeable there depending on traits you covet.

That being said, a lot of scouts quotables, including EC scouts and Craig Button , have been quoted they don't think he has high point potential.

If you’re gonna quote Button the counter is that Dave Poulin recently said that Dvorsky is a future star.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

In the top-7 of a strong draft, I'm looking to grab a core piece. Now, a thought exercise that I like is to imagine that there's an expansion draft in 3 years and you have to protect in the 4F-3D-1G format, with every player being available. That should be, by definition, your core. Right now I'd have:

Caufield - Dach - Suzuki - ?
Guhle - Hutson - ?
?

Contenders for that final F spot would be Slaf and Dubois (potentially). Contenders for that final D spot would probably be Barron, Mailloux, Harris, Xhekaj.

Now, who is available at 5-6-7, that would realistically take that final F or D spot? Do you see Will Smith or Zach Benson being a better core piece than Slaf/Dubois/other? I do, but past these 2 I don't think any other forward is. On the other hand, Reinbacher easily fits in that 3rd defenseman spot. What do you think?

I like how you broke that down. And I agree it’s a smart way to look at the roster moving forward

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Yes. So much noise surrounding. I am starting to get some Filatov/Yakupov vibe from him. I highly doubt we select him and he will be a faller IMO.

Let’s not forget Reinbacher is playing in a pro league and his breakout is pretty damn impressive for a kid IMO, how good would he look with that pass playing in the OHL? I'd say his best skill for now is his gap control so ya, defensive reads is kind of in the same realm. He has a lot of untapped offensive potential IMO. I'm a big fan of his game.

I’m a big fan as well. I was REALLY impressed watching him in the jC on such a weak team. I personally think he’s remarkably agile which adds to his gap control etc. My only thing is I’m not sold on taking him with our first pick unless we drop a few spots

 

[G0bias]

As someone who was very high on Dobson his draft year and very much liked him at 3, Reinbacher reminds me quite a bit of him.

Neither are necessarily wizards with the puck but they know where to be at the right time and the right place and play with enough swagger to be difference makers at both ends.

 

[Doublechin]

Let's get him in the 2nd roround.

I think it's quite realistic to land him at 37, I would unless Willander is available there and if we didn't get an RD in out top 2 picks

 

[SOLR]

If only Guhle could move as fast as you move goal posts

See I didn't move goalpost at all, you never got in the conversation, you rather throw accusations.

Gulhe isn't as fast on the ice as Dahlin/Makar, why?
1) First 3 steps acceleration
2) Pivot under pressure.

What Guhle did on McDavid there is the intelligent thing to do when you don't think you will have time for your pivot. I have no problem with this. The issue is "why do you think you won't have time for your pivot?" Because it's not as good as the rest of your skating.

 

[Doublechin]

As someone who was very high on Dobson his draft year and very much liked him at 3, Reinbacher reminds me quite a bit of him.

Neither are necessarily wizards with the puck but they know where to be at the right time and the right place and play with enough swagger to be difference makers at both ends.

I was high on Dobson too and often felt that he should have been our pick prior to the draft but mainly because when it came to forwards that year, I felt like after Svechnikov there were no sure shot top 6/elite forwards while I felt like Dobson is a solid 2 and very high odds of being a 3 or 4 at worse

This year is stacked with high end forwards which tend to hit their top upside a bit more often then top drafted D.

As an example I sampled data from 98 until 2016 or 18, I disregarded the top 2 picks and counted Dmen and forwards from 3 to 8.

35% of Dmen eventually were top pairing or better while the forward number is 52% being top 6 or better. 24% were non stars but top pairing Dmen, 24% were 2nd pairing quality while 11% never amounted to anything.

Forwards had a higher tendency to bust (18%) while the highest odds for D men in that bracket became 3rd pairing Dmen (30%)

28% was highest for forwards and those are non stars/franchise players.

11% of Dmen were stars or better while 24% of forwards became that.

So based on such a large precedent, I'm going forward unless I viewed the available Dman as being considerably better than anything that's currently available. This ain't it this year

 

[Jack Skellington]

I just want our scouts to get one high draft pick right in my life time. I want the Stutzle, Makar, Barkov, etc.