2023 NHL Entry Draft

[Doublechin]

yeah but this game does nothing for them , they might as well bench their best player so they can rest for the playoff.
Don't think they really wanna win this game.

You never know
They might prefer the Penguins or Islanders themselves rather than the Panthers

 

[Goldenhands]

U18s. No, he definitely shouldn't play.

WCs, hope not. Would like to see him play with TC in May.

The Swedes should have some intriguing names, guys that could rise up the rankings with a strong showing. Im thinking of Wahlberg, Edstrom, Nordt... Canada Im mostly interested to see how Bjarnason do in net. USA I know them all, but still very fun to watch and of course, there is Dvorsky and Salé. Its going to be impossible for me to watch everything, but I will record most of those games.

 

[Vachon23]

The Swedes should have some intriguing names, guys that could rise up the rankings with a strong showing. Im thinking of Wahlberg, Edstrom, Nordt... Canada Im mostly interested to see how Bjarnason do in net. USA I know them all, but still very fun to watch and of course, there is Dvorsky and Salé. Its going to be impossible for me to watch everything, but I will record most of those games.

That's the opportunity for Bjarnasson to show if he's the best goalie in this draft

 

[MarkovsKnee]

The Swedes should have some intriguing names, guys that could rise up the rankings with a strong showing. Im thinking of Wahlberg, Edstrom, Nordt... Canada Im mostly interested to see how Bjarnason do in net. USA I know them all, but still very fun to watch and of course, there is Dvorsky and Salé. Its going to be impossible for me to watch everything, but I will record most of those games.

Yeah, games are going to be early morning or afternoon. Think Canada's 1st game is 8:30 am et, so it's going to be hard to watch live.

Sweden is interesting team to me too. There are some interesting players that could be available rounds 2-4. All the names above, plus Felix Nilsson.

Not a strong Finnish year.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Yeah, games are going to be early morning or afternoon. Think Canada's 1st game is 8:30 am et, so it's going to be hard to watch live.

Sweden is interesting team to me too. There are some interesting players that could be available rounds 2-4. All the names above, plus Felix Nilsson.

Not a strong Finnish year.

Is it on TSN ?.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Is it on TSN ?.

Not the main channel. TSN4, tsn.ca and their app.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Not the main channel. TSN4, tsn.ca and their app.

Perfect I'm going to try and put it on and catch it when I can

 

[Vachon23]

I'm curious to see if D'aigle is gonna have a start

 

[WeThreeKings]

The lamest thing is team USA will use vanilla ass Augustine instead of bringing Jacob Fowler.

 

[SOLR]

U18 coaching staff named. We should start hearing about players accepting invitations.

Canada names coaching staff for IIHF Under-18 world championship | TSN

Jeff Truitt has been named the head coach for the upcoming IIHF Under-18 World Championship, Hockey Canada announced Tuesday.

www.tsn.ca

Tournament starts April 20th, so only 9 days away.

I believe goalkeeper Gabriel D'Aigle of Victoriaville (QMJHL) has already accepted an invitation. Carson Bjarnason should also get an invite.

Goaltending should be good.

Defense: Caden Price, Lukas Dragicevic, Jordan Tourigny, probably Cam Allen, Carter Yakemchuk ('24), Tristan Bertucci is a pretty good start.

There's a ton of quality forwards to choose from, including Cristall, Barlow, Ritchie, Wood, Lardis, Howe ('24), Masse ('24), etc, etc.

Bedard is too good for this level probably WCs for him.

It should at least be a much better team than 2022.

Ah good that Gabriel is entering early.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I just can’t deny that Dvorsky is the 5th highest graded guy for me. Dude just really grades well across the 10 attributes I look at, and guys that do tend to rank high for me and ultimately end up being great players more times then not.

Really do hope he lights up the U18s to justify that ranking and make him an easy choice if we do in fact pick 5th.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I just can’t deny that Dvorsky is the 5th highest graded guy for me. Dude just really grades well across the 10 attributes I look at, and guys that do tend to rank high for me and ultimately end up being great players more times then not.

Really do hope he lights up the U18s to justify that ranking and make him an easy choice if we do in fact pick 5th.

I think the Dvorsky bashing comes from irrational expectations. People were expecting him to score at a PPG at 17 in Allensvenskan but he is just scoring at a 1 Goal per Game in J20( 2 PPG)….

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I think the Dvorsky bashing comes from irrational expectations. People were expecting him to score at a PPG at 17 in Allensvenskan but he is just scoring at a 1 Goal per Game in J20( 2 PPG)….

Very true. It’s funny too because some of his biggest detractors now were the same guys saying how good he was last summer so that pretty much proves your point.

I’ve learned the lesson of putting too much stock in a WJC, but that is my favorite tape of his. One of the youngest guys in the tourney but put the full arsenal on display. I rely do think he’ll dominate when he plays his draft eligible peers.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Very true. It’s funny too because some of his biggest detractors now were the same guys saying how good he was last summer so that pretty much proves your point.

I’ve learned the lesson of putting too much stock in a WJC, but that is my favorite tape of his. One of the youngest guys in the tourney but put the full arsenal on display. I rely do think he’ll dominate when he plays his draft eligible peers.

As far as I am concerned I like him since the start of the year and he has performed just as I thought he would (a bit less points than I thought in Allensvenskan, was expecting 0.3 - 0.5) by dominating vs peers but not vs men.
I think that is one of the biggest draft biaises : euro vs NA. Top NA prospects are expected to dominate vs peers, while Top Euro prospects are expected to dominate vs men.
That being said, another biais applies the other way : it s not because you re already playing with men that you are a sure thing.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

As far as I am concerned I like him since the start of the year and he has performed just as I thought he would (a bit less points than I thought in Allensvenskan, was expecting 0.3 - 0.5) by dominating vs peers but not vs men.
I think that is one of the biggest draft biaises : euro vs NA. Top NA prospects are expected to dominate vs peers, while Top Euro prospects are expected to dominate vs men.
That being said, another biais applies the other way : it s not because you re already playing with men that you are a sure thing.

Dvorsky dominated the U18s last year, outperformed Slafkovsky even, so I’d be pretty surprised if he didn’t do the same again but more so after playing against men this past season.

 

[SlafySZN]

Dvorsky dominated the U18s last year, outperformed Slafkovsky even, so I’d be pretty surprised if he didn’t do the same again but more so after playing against men this past season.

Slafkovsky didn’t play the U18 last year.

And if you were talking about the Hlinka Gretzky Slaf was a big part of why Dvorsky had a good tournament.

 

[Pazucha]

Slafkovsky didn’t play the U18 last year.

And if you were talking about the Hlinka Gretzky Slaf was a big part of why Dvorsky had a good tournament.

Was he playing on PP1 with him i dont remember? I know that the first regular line was Slaf - Repcik - Mesar and the 2nd line was Molndar - Dvorsky - Sykora. Anyway i watched maybe 5 games of AIK this season and i dont think any player could do much better on that terrible 3rd line. I am personally not that high on Dvorsky, hopefully he proves me wrong on the U18 tournament.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think the Dvorsky bashing comes from irrational expectations. People were expecting him to score at a PPG at 17 in Allensvenskan but he is just scoring at a 1 Goal per Game in J20( 2 PPG)….

I don't think anyone's bashed Dvorsky at all. There's a world of difference between bashing and not thinking he's worth a top 7 selection.

I still like Dvorsky but he didn't take the steps you want to see a prospect make this year. A lot of us liked Cam Allen last year should we just rank him way higher than he needs to be ranked because we liked him last year?

I hope he has a good U18s because a lot of the public scouting agencies have his stock dropping for his play and its come from the same things I've been saying.. his playmaking game has been basic, his handling skills have been average, his zone entries and exits aren't strong and his skating is fine but not great.

Being good defensively and on faceoffs with a big shot isn't the prospect I'm pounding the table to draft. So let's hope he shows more dimensions to his game at the U18s. The more prospects showing top 10 talent the better for us.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I don't think anyone's bashed Dvorsky at all. There's a world of difference between bashing and not thinking he's worth a top 7 selection.

I still like Dvorsky but he didn't take the steps you want to see a prospect make this year. A lot of us liked Cam Allen last year should we just rank him way higher than he needs to be ranked because we liked him last year?

I hope he has a good U18s because a lot of the public scouting agencies have his stock dropping for his play and its come from the same things I've been saying.. his playmaking game has been basic, his handling skills have been average, his zone entries and exits aren't strong and his skating is fine but not great.

Being good defensively and on faceoffs with a big shot isn't the prospect I'm pounding the table to draft. So let's hope he shows more dimensions to his game at the U18s. The more prospects showing top 10 talent the better for us.

But what have the NA prospects shown against men ? Nothing.
Dvorsky has been producing at 2PPG vs his peers... He kept gztting called up because he was too good for J20

 

[WeThreeKings]

But what have the NA prospects shown against men ? Nothing.
Dvorsky has been producing at 2PPG vs his peers... If he had been producing at that rate in the OHL everybody would be saying he is in contention for top 3...

Does producing 2 PPG in the J20 change his skills and traits?

His physical size and great shot dominates his J20 peers but he's not playing against j20 in the NHL.

If he doesn't show better handling skills, puck carrying ability and a playmaking game at the u18s why is he worth a top 7 pick? That's a limited offensive player at the next level and we aren't exactly starving for that type of player.

 

[SOLR]

I'm curious to see if D'aigle is gonna have a start

For sure. They need to see if D'Aigle can be the U20 goaltender at 16.

 

[le_sean]

I don't think anyone's bashed Dvorsky at all. There's a world of difference between bashing and not thinking he's worth a top 7 selection.

I still like Dvorsky but he didn't take the steps you want to see a prospect make this year. A lot of us liked Cam Allen last year should we just rank him way higher than he needs to be ranked because we liked him last year?

I hope he has a good U18s because a lot of the public scouting agencies have his stock dropping for his play and its come from the same things I've been saying.. his playmaking game has been basic, his handling skills have been average, his zone entries and exits aren't strong and his skating is fine but not great.

Being good defensively and on faceoffs with a big shot isn't the prospect I'm pounding the table to draft. So let's hope he shows more dimensions to his game at the U18s. The more prospects showing top 10 talent the better for us.

Not only has he not taken the steps to put himself in the Top-7 conversation, if the Habs are indeed trading for PLD then Dvorsky is low on the needs list.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Not only has he not taken the steps to put himself in the Top-7 conversation, if the Habs are indeed trading for PLD then Dvorsky is low on the needs list.

Absolutely, good point.

 

[SOLR]

Not only has he not taken the steps to put himself in the Top-7 conversation, if the Habs are indeed trading for PLD then Dvorsky is low on the needs list.

I don't see any difference on the need list if we have PLD regarding Dvorsky. They are not at all the same players. Power forward vs. inside shooter, they would actually be good for each other.

Anyway, need list arguments at the draft are always rather poor arguments.

 

[le_sean]

I don't see any difference on the need list if we have PLD regarding Dvorsky. They are not at all the same players. Power forward vs. inside shooter, they would actually be good for each other.

Anyway, need list arguments at the draft are always rather poor arguments.

No, a poor argument is entertaining the fact he might have higher potential than Carlsson, like you did.

Don’t care about playstyles. He’s a natural centre. You have Suzuki, Dach, PLD who are all centres, along with a good one coming in Beck. Dvorsky is not a need, despite being shoot-first. It would be smarter to find an elite winger, which there are plenty of in the 5-12 range.