2023 NHL Entry Draft

[Mrb1p]

He has heavy feet similar to Geekie, easy pass for me. Lets grab one of Leonard, Moore, Barlow instead.

All low upside forwards

Is Scouching scouting from your couch?

Yes, his logo is a couch.

 

[le_sean]

On the other hand Will Scouch is a self proclaimed scout but is anything but....just another nerd with an opinion on something he has never experienced.



Scouch is an *** clown

Okay weird beef to have for someone just trying to do what he loves. I enjoy his analysis.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I think that Zach Benson, Will Smith and Andrew Cristall have potential to be elite. More risks, but potential is there. I'm still not sold on Leo Carlsson. I know he's real good but need to watch more of him.

I have Smith in a tier above Benson and two tiers higher than Cristall. Smith is bigger and a better skater than both of them and has a much better shot than Benson. Considering all three are putting up huge numbers, Smith looks like the most translatable to the NHL game.

Is Scouching scouting from your couch?

That is what I assumed......perhaps a convenient combination with his last name?

He just says too many things that are demonstrably and obviously false. He has picked up some of the scouting verbiage from following other sites but his observations are factually a joke. The Michkov example is a mistake that the common fan without any scouting ability makes. He allows the stats to form his narrative because he is unable to observe the nuances and details of the game through observations.

I would love to go to some AAA Bantam/Midget level games with all of these fake online scouts where they have no idea what the stats are from each player and compare their observations lol. Scouch, Wheeler, Pronman etc would make fools of themselves. I just read that Wheeler listed Fantilli as an average skater lol. The kid is a great skater and the fact that despite an absolute ton of evidence Wheeler is just to unskilled in the profession to see it....this on it's own entirely erases his credibility. Just as Pronman had Romanov's greatest weakness as his physicality????

Okay weird beef to have for someone just trying to do what he loves. I enjoy his analysis.

His analysis is laymen level drivel

 

[Jaynki]

I have Smith in a tier above Benson and two tiers higher than Cristall. Smith is bigger and a better skater than both of them and has a much better shot than Benson. Considering all three are putting up huge numbers, Smith looks like the most translatable to the NHL game.


That is what I assumed......perhaps a convenient combination with his last name?

Where do you have Smith overall ?

I have a crush on him, i have him third behind Bedard and Fantilli.

 

[waitin425]

Took one roll of the dice this morning and ended up with this order.

If we score 1st and Reinbacher is available at 12, I'd take him. Hrabel in the second and we could land the best player at forward/D/goalie in one draft.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Where do you have Smith overall ?

I have a crush on him, i have him third behind Bedard and Fantilli.

I have Smith Behind Bedard, Fantilli and Carlsson......I technically have Michkov as the second best prospect but I am not sure that I would have the cajones to pull the trigger with my job on the line.

I think that he is closer to Fantilli and Carlsson than people think and I much prefer him to the Benson/Cristalls of the world. It would be really tough if I had to choose between Smith and Michkov given the geo-political variables in play. We really don't need any more tiny forwards so I am also on the Sale/Dvorsky/Barlow/Reinbacher/Danielson/Leonard etc type of players that bring elements of size, strength and physicality to the lineup. I won't be upset if we end up with a smaller player like Benson but I am sceptical about how another small player fits with the core group of kids that are being assembled. I know Smith isn't a bruiser but he isn't small and has a decent frame. The fact that he is a great playmaker and can sore from distance is huge, I think he is tailor made to play with Suzuki and Caufield. I actually get some Kucherov vibes from Smith's game as far as his instincts and the number of different ways that he can create and finish. I don't see Benson as a capable shooter and Cristall's skating is very suspect, they can both improve but I currently prefer Smith. Sale, Dvorsky and Barlow to both of them.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Took one roll of the dice this morning and ended up with this order.

If we score 1st and Reinbacher is available at 12, I'd take him. Hrabel in the second and we could land the best player at forward/D/goalie in one draft.

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I would have a tough time between Reinbacher and Barlow. I would lean to Barlow because I think that he is more likely to be better but adding another good RHD would also be huge. At the end of the day I think Barlow is exactly what our forward group is missing as he is a heart and soul gamer with a nasty release who will perfectly compliment our stable of skilled but not overly physical young forwards. I suspect that Reinbacher if taken this high will be one of those middle pairing decent defenders who 10 years from now surprises people to learn that he was ever a high 1st round pick (likely surrounded by a bunch of high end forwards). I guess I see a Noah Hanifin type who certainly has been a good player but when you hear that he was a 5th overall selection ahead of Rantanen, Barzal, Connor etc it is pretty cringe worthy. This is exactly how I think it will play out with Reinbacher despite the undeniable fit with our team especially if we take him with our first pick but very likely with our 2nd pick unless Florida makes the playoffs and goes on a run lol.

 

[waitin425]

I would have a tough time between Reinbacher and Barlow. I would lean to Barlow because I think that he is more likely to be better but adding another good RHD would also be huge. At the end of the day I think Barlow is exactly what our forward group is missing as he is a heart and soul gamer with a nasty release who will perfectly compliment our stable of skilled but not overly physical young forwards. I suspect that Reinbacher if taken this high will be one of those middle pairing decent defenders who 10 years from now surprises people to learn that he was ever a high 1st round pick(likely surrounded by a bunch of high end forwards. I guess I see a Noah Hanifin type who certainly has been a good player but when you hear that he was a 5th overall selection ahead of Rantanen, Barzal, Connor etc it is pretty cringe worthy. This is exactly how I think it will play out despite the undeniable fit with our team especially if we take him with our first pick but very likely with our 2nd pick unless Florida makes the playoffs and goes on a run lol.

Barlow was the guy I was looking at in addition to Reinbacher with the 12th. It boils down to need at this point.

Either/Or would be nice to have and compliment our current depth at all prospect positions.

 

[ginomini]

I have Smith Behind Bedard, Fantilli and Carlsson......I technically have Michkov as the second best prospect but I am not sure that I would have the cajones to pull the trigger with my job on the line.

I think that he is closer to Fantilli and Carlsson than people think and I much prefer him to the Benson/Cristalls of the world. It would be really tough if I had to choose between Smith and Michkov given the geo-political variables in play. We really don't need any more tiny forwards so I am also on the Sale/Dvorsky/Barlow/Reinbacher/Danielson/Leonard etc type of players that bring elements of size, strength and physicality to the lineup. I won't be upset if we end up with a smaller player like Benson but I am sceptical about how another small player fits with the core group of kids that are being assembled. I know Smith isn't a bruiser but he isn't small and has a decent frame. The fact that he is a great playmaker and can sore from distance is huge, I think he is tailor made to play with Suzuki and Caufield. I actually get some Kucherov vibes from Smith's game as far as his instincts and the number of different ways that he can create and finish. I don't see Benson as a capable shooter and Cristall's skating is very suspect, they can both improve but I currently prefer Smith. Sale, Dvorsky and Barlow to both of them.

I have a hard time understanding how you can spend your time bashing everyone for their “amateur” evaluations and then say that Sale brings “size, strength and physicality”…

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I have a hard time understanding how you can spend your time bashing everyone for their “amateur” evaluations and then say that Sale brings “size, strength and physicality”…

Reading comprehension kiddo!

I was clearly referring to a group that among them brought elements of these three traits, not that every one of them had all three traits. The kid is 6'1" and has the frame to put on solid solid mass. Everything is relative and compared to many of the smaller forwards that are being tabbed as top ten options he certainly is among the largest.

But thank you for your scathing critique, I hope to please you with more suitable submissions in the future.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Reinbacher over Barlow is the easiest decision of my life.

Barlow hasn't shown anything to tell me that he can score anywhere near that rate outside the OHL.

Great job exploiting OHL goalies but I don't think a lot of his goals are getting by NHL goalies. It's not like his shot is anywhere above the litany of 20-25 goal guys in the NHL.

 

[Frozenice]

Barlow was the guy I was looking at in addition to Reinbacher with the 12th. It boils down to need at this point.

Either/Or would be nice to have and compliment our current depth at all prospect positions.

I think it boils down to who’s left over. I suspect there will be 1 or 2 guys from the 7-12 tier undrafted and that’s hopefully who we pick.

 

[le_sean]

Yeah I don’t dislike Barlow, but I’d rather bank on Reinbacher’s potential. At the very least he has a nice floor and can play in the AHL next year.

 

[Wats]

I think Reinbacher is going to be Seider type reach for a team at #5-8 overall. I hope it's not Montreal with their 1st pick but wouldn't be surprised. Have a hard time seeing him fall out of top 10. His production U20 in the NLA is hasn't been seen since Josi.

 

[Jaynki]

I think Reinbacher is going to be Seider type reach for a team at #5-8 overall. I hope it's not Montreal with their 1st pick but wouldn't be surprised. Have a hard time seeing him fall out of top 10. His production U20 in the NLA is hasn't been seen since Josi.

By a D? Or also by a forward ?

 

[HabsForHire]

I think Reinbacher is going to be Seider type reach for a team at #5-8 overall. I hope it's not Montreal with their 1st pick but wouldn't be surprised. Have a hard time seeing him fall out of top 10. His production U20 in the NLA is hasn't been seen since Josi.

I'm not taking him before bedard, michkov, fantilli, carlsson, benson or smith...after those I would

 

[Lockin17]

How better Reinbacher is compare to Axel Sandin Pellikka ??

 

[RationalExpectations]

How better Reinbacher is compare to Axel Sandin Pellikka ??

I think Reinbacher is much better physically, also has better defensive IQ in my opinion. He is not as dynamic offensively but it was also Seider s case, more related to style of play than talent …

 

[Lockin17]

I think Reinbacher is much better physically, also has better defensive IQ in my opinion. He is not as dynamic offensively but it was also Seider s case, more related to style of play than talent …

we sure could use a top pair RHD
So there is Reinbacher - Pellikka - Dragecevic - Strbak

I hope we get one of these RHD

 

[WeThreeKings]

How better Reinbacher is compare to Axel Sandin Pellikka ??

Vastly.

ASP has been overrated.

 

[JT3]

Still don't think there's any chance Reinbacher is available at Florida's pick. I would be salivating if he was, but I can't see that happening.

I have Smith in a tier above Benson and two tiers higher than Cristall. Smith is bigger and a better skater than both of them and has a much better shot than Benson. Considering all three are putting up huge numbers, Smith looks like the most translatable to the NHL game.

I have Benson ahead myself. I don't think Smith is a better skater than Benson at all, Smith plays at a much slower pace than Benson but he uses his IQ and hands to make plays. Benson can play any way you want, fast or slow, is just as skilled as Smith IMO, far more tenacious and a better two-way game. The main thing Smith has going for him in my eyes is the fact he's a C, and he has an inch or two and 15-20lbs on Benson, but that's negligible cause he doesn't use his body much whereas Benson does.

Just my 2c but I'm taking Benson if I have the choice between the two.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Still don't think there's any chance Reinbacher is available at Florida's pick. I would be salivating if he was, but I can't see that happening.


I have Benson ahead myself. I don't think Smith is a better skater than Benson at all, Smith plays at a much slower pace than Benson but he uses his IQ and hands to make plays. Benson can play any way you want, fast or slow, is just as skilled as Smith IMO, far more tenacious and a better two-way game. The main thing Smith has going for him in my eyes is the fact he's a C, and he has an inch or two and 15-20lbs on Benson, but that's negligible cause he doesn't use his body much whereas Benson does.

Just my 2c but I'm taking Benson if I have the choice between the two.

You are confusing pace with speed. Smith is absolutely a better/faster skater than Benson and perhaps more importantly has a much better shot than Benson. I personally have a difficult time getting too excited about undersized forward with average speed and a poor shot.

Players who can't score from distance and are too small to play in the dirty areas effectively are huge flags for me. This is not to say that Benson can't improve or that is not a very good prospect but as far as I can see Smith is better or equal to Benson in every area other than intensity/motor and that stuff is very hard to measure as the same was said about Nick Suzuki but he has shown what kind of competitor that he is even though he never plays like his hair is on fire. Scoring from distance is incredibly important when trying to gauge how translatable junior aged player's production is to the pro game and I am always hesitant to take players who are below average shooters which I consider Benson to be at this point in his development.

 

[JT3]

You are confusing pace with speed. Smith is absolutely a better/faster skater than Benson and perhaps more importantly has a much better shot than Benson. I personally have a difficult time getting too excited about undersized forward with average speed and a poor shot.

Players who can't score from distance and are too small to play in the dirty areas effectively are huge flags for me. This is not to say that Benson can't improve or that is not a very good prospect but as far as I can see Smith is better or equal to Benson in every area other than intensity/motor and that stuff is very hard to measure as the same was said about Nick Suzuki but he has shown what kind of competitor that he is even though he never plays like his hair is on fire. Scoring from distance is incredibly important when trying to gauge how translatable junior aged player's production is to the pro game and I am always hesitant to take players who are below average shooters which I consider Benson to be at this point in his development.

Fair points. I didn't intend to say that Benson is a speedster per se, he isn't really. The difference between the two's skating for me is like a 7/10 vs a 6/10. But I like that Benson plays with more pace in his game, I think that's easier to translate to the NHL.

I haven't watched enough of Smith to see him score from range or anything, but I'll take your word for that. I could see Benson's shot improving over the next few years as he adds weight and strength to his frame though. Overall I just prefer Benson's package and utility to Smith, but they are close and could totally see why someone might prefer Smith.

 

[McGees]

 

[Mrb1p]

Most underrated prospect in the 2023 draft.