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le_sean said:
You really want to be the NHL owner that sends millions to an oligarch just to have a hockey player earlier than expected? How do you think that plays out in world media the day they found out?
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Pff. they could just pay for the plane tickets and tell them to f-off, the oligarchs are losing any legitimate claim on a presence in any system of laws, rules and convention. The contracts are not worth the ink they are written with...
 
SOLR said:
Pff. they could just pay for the plane tickets and tell them to f-off, the oligarchs are losing any legitimate claim on a presence in any system of laws, rules and convention. The contracts are not worth the ink they are written with...
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There is some truth to that but I seriously doubt Michkov wants to put his family in a potentially terrible situation
 
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SOLR said:
Pff. they could just pay for the plane tickets and tell them to f-off, the oligarchs are losing any legitimate claim on a presence in any system of laws, rules and convention. The contracts are not worth the ink they are written with...
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That was difficult even in the 80s with no internet. How do you think that goes for Michkov and his family when they are texting/emailing about it and having to scan passports, etc.
 
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Estimated_Prophet said:
Absolutely....there is quite possibly a dollar figure that gets him to NA. That is one reason that he was signed to the deal, whether it is a reasonable number is another story. The other question would have to be which GM is crazy enough to send millions to a Russian team with ties to Vladimir Putin. Until the invasion is over it is very difficult to imagine an NHL team wanting to tarnish their image with such dealings. Would an American team send money to a Russian team that is being run by a man that their own country has sanctions against?

I find the whole thing repulsive as Rotenberg clearly flexed on a 16 year old kid and intimidated him into signing away 3 years of his dream. Roman Rotenberg may be the most powerful man in Russian hockey as he is the GM of SKA, is the V.P. of the Russian Hockey Federation and is the head of the management group that runs all Russian national teams. He is also part of Putin's inner circle and was sanctioned for his part in the annexation of Crimea.

Knowing enough about Rotenberg and his connection to Michkov/Putin might be enough to scare NHL teams away as it is not just that the kid is in Russia during the invasion of Ukraine it is who is pulling the strings above him.
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You are right, I forgot it is freaking SKA and such close connection to that crazy dwarf Putin.
 
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SOLR said:
They could come as well... the doors of Russia are not closed. Michkov will earn enough to support 30 people in the short term....I doubt they would go for his cousins lol
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Breaking a contract with a team with such close ties to Putin would provide plenty of hesitation.....never mind the exemption he has gained from military service based solely on him playing hockey in Russia. It is almost certain that his family would pay for him breaking the contract and robbing Rotenberg/SKA and potentially Putin himself on some level of a negotiated lucrative transfer fee from an NHL club.

He is the most hyped hockey player in the country since Ovechkin and we have seen how Putin has fostered a sense of loyalty in Ovi. Other than being a tyrannical monster, Putin's next greatest love is hockey and his proxy Roman Rotenberg is trying to control Michkov imo.
 
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Milhouse40 said:
We can speculate on the reason for that contract, but until we know, we don't
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Entirely agree but there is mounting evidence to suggest that Michkov had immense pressure from the most influential and powerful people in the sport/country. It would seem to be a reasonable conclusion that a 16 year old boy would be very unlikely to want to go against the most powerful man in the sport (Russian Hockey) who has direct and well known ties the most prolific murderer in the country.

The fact that they made a 16 year old boy make such a long commitment is reprehensible to begin with.
 
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Estimated_Prophet said:
Breaking a contract with a team with such close ties to Putin would provide plenty of hesitation.....never mind the exemption he has gained from military service based solely on him playing hockey in Russia. It is almost certain that his family would pay for him breaking the contract and robbing Rotenberg/SKA and potentially Putin himself on some level of a negotiated lucrative transfer fee from an NHL club.

He is the most hyped hockey player in the country since Ovechkin and we have seen how Putin has fostered a sense of loyalty in Ovi. Other than being a tyrannical monster, Putin's next greatest love is hockey and his proxy Roman Rotenberg is trying to control Michkov imo.
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I think so too, and sadly, he's becoming a political pawn. But, in general, I refuse the arguments that give up on our responsibility to wage influence wars against Putin personally. Naive nonsense. If it means the transfer agreements are ripped apart, so be it. Stastny-like operation (if possible, patiently), drop the bomb.
 
Estimated_Prophet said:
Entirely agree but there is mounting evidence to suggest that Michkov had immense pressure from the most influential and powerful people in the sport/country. It would seem to be a reasonable conclusion that a 16 year old boy would be very unlikely to want to go against the most powerful man in the sport (Russian Hockey) who has direct and well known ties the most prolific murderer in the country.

The fact that they made a 16 year old boy make such a long commitment is reprehensible to begin with.
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That's the reason I'm not so sure I want all this drama surrounding this pick. Want the player for sure.

We must also never forget that Russia has changed in the last 2 years. This kids open up the TV and all he's seeing, hearing is how great Russia is and how evil we are, they don't have a whole lot of access to other thing than state-run media.

As you also mentioned, Putin is a huge fan of hockey. HUGE and a lot of sports down there are tightly working hand in hand with the government. When his contract expire, the SKA will be able to give a much bigger contract and if this guy steps in, then you can forget Mitchkov in the NHL as Putin can buy him forever with his pocket change.

We then can add the how he turn Ovi into his puppet and how Panarin had to fleed for not wanting to be just that.
 
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Estimated_Prophet said:
Breaking a contract with a team with such close ties to Putin would provide plenty of hesitation.....never mind the exemption he has gained from military service based solely on him playing hockey in Russia. It is almost certain that his family would pay for him breaking the contract and robbing Rotenberg/SKA and potentially Putin himself on some level of a negotiated lucrative transfer fee from an NHL club.

He is the most hyped hockey player in the country since Ovechkin and we have seen how Putin has fostered a sense of loyalty in Ovi. Other than being a tyrannical monster, Putin's next greatest love is hockey and his proxy Roman Rotenberg is trying to control Michkov imo.
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And he let Ovechkin come to NA. And is clearly happy Ovechkin is breaking records over here and getting positive attention for Russia. There’s a lot more to gain to have Michkov in NA as soon as possible to Make Russia Great Again with a hall of fame worthy career than there would be playing for SKA for a few more years.

They want to control Russian players, but not prevent them from playing in NA.
 
I thought it was interesting that Will Scouch doesn’t have Michkov as high as others despite being a scout that very much values talent. His issue is that Michkov is an elite finisher, but that’s about it. If you have the guys around him to do the work, he’ll put the puck in the net. Doesn’t really sound like someone Gorton/Hughes will value much.
 
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le_sean said:
I thought it was interesting that Will Scouch doesn’t have Michkov as high as others despite being a scout that very much values talent. His issue is that Michkov is an elite finisher, but that’s about it. If you have the guys around him to do the work, he’ll put the puck in the net. Doesn’t really sound like someone Gorton/Hughes will value much.
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It's more that we already have this with Caufield.
 
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le_sean said:
I thought it was interesting that Will Scouch doesn’t have Michkov as high as others despite being a scout that very much values talent. His issue is that Michkov is an elite finisher, but that’s about it. If you have the guys around him to do the work, he’ll put the puck in the net. Doesn’t really sound like someone Gorton/Hughes will value much.
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Will Scouch sucks and Im tired of him.

What kind of analysis is that? Hes an elite finisher and thats it? He just had the greatest draft year season in a decade playing for f***ing Sochi, which is barely a KHL team.

What a poor understanding of who Michkov is as a player. Hes not a finisher, hes a goalscorer.
 
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Mrb1p said:
He just had the greatest draft year season in a decade playing for f***ing Sochi, which is barely a KHL team.
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Historic seasons all around.

Bedard surpassing McDavid’s draft year.

Michkov breaking KHL records for a draft eligible.

Fantilli with a better PPG than Jack Eichel as a freshman.

To say nothing of our boy Lane “f***ing” Hutson.

Hoping all these guys are for real and more than one of the above dons the Red White and Blue in the near future…
 
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le_sean said:
I thought it was interesting that Will Scouch doesn’t have Michkov as high as others despite being a scout that very much values talent. His issue is that Michkov is an elite finisher, but that’s about it. If you have the guys around him to do the work, he’ll put the puck in the net. Doesn’t really sound like someone Gorton/Hughes will value much.
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Pretty sure he has Michkov #3 right now actually based off his last stream.

Edit: Here's a snapshot

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Mrb1p said:
Damn im sorry Will Scouch I went off rumours and completely insulted you.

He does have him in the same tier as Will Smith, Carlsson and ... Wait what Oliver Moore ?
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I definitely disagree with him on that haha, especially Moore who I quite like but not THAT much.

Will is who he is: if you're excellent on transitions and play with a high skill level, Will likes you.
 
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