2023 NHL Entry Draft

[Milhouse40]

Took one roll of the dice this morning and ended up with this order.

If we score 1st and Reinbacher is available at 12, I'd take him. Hrabel in the second and we could land the best player at forward/D/goalie in one draft.

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I really do hope Hrabal will be available when we pick in the 2nd round.....I know it's very hard to project goalie but the way he moves for a giant is very interesting.

 

[Mrb1p]

I really do hope Hrabal will be available when we pick in the 2nd round.....I know it's very hard to project goalie but the way he moves for a giant is very interesting.

Clara and Yegorov are bigger, younger and more athletic. Theyre both very underrated too.

 

[TomKosto]

Most underrated prospect in the 2023 draft.

Always liked him the couple times I saw him play, really skilled. Wouldn't mind him with the Florida pick.

 

[Mrb1p]

Always liked him the couple times I saw him play, really skilled. Wouldn't mind him with the Florida pick.

Hes not just skilled, he's a complete hound on the puck. Super tenacious. Good defensively, a bit of a pest and he can skate.

 

[AHShadow]

I think Reinbacher is going to be Seider type reach for a team at #5-8 overall. I hope it's not Montreal with their 1st pick but wouldn't be surprised. Have a hard time seeing him fall out of top 10. His production U20 in the NLA is hasn't been seen since Josi.

Could just be the people I follow on Twitter, but outside of this group here, I see very few that are high on Reinbacher. Seeing lots of them putting him at 15+. Most of them have ASP higher.

Out of the big names (Bob, Pronman and Wheeler), only Pronman has him in the top 10.

Most new-wave scouts that focus on skill say that he has a high floor, but lower ceiling than ASP. I think the only analytics-oriented scout I saw that's high on Reinbacher was Byron Bader, who I know most people don't like here.

As someone who just reads a lot and doesn't really scout. What do you guys think is the discrepancy between what you guys see vs what they see? Is it what they value or just not putting enough time into properly scouting him?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Could just be the people I follow on Twitter, but outside of this group here, I see very few that are high on Reinbacher. Seeing lots of them putting him at 15+. Most of them have ASP higher.

Out of the big names (Bob, Pronman and Wheeler), only Pronman has him in the top 10.

Most new-wave scouts that focus on skill say that he has a high floor, but lower ceiling than ASP. I think the only analytics-oriented scout I saw that's high on Reinbacher was Byron Bader, who I know most people don't like here.

As someone who just reads a lot and doesn't really scout. What do you guys think is the discrepancy between what you guys see vs what they see? Is it what they value or just not putting enough time into properly scouting him?

ASP had a more successful WJC.

 

[AHShadow]

ASP had a more successful WJC.

I'd be surprised it that's the case for new-wave scouts cause most of them had Cooley/Wright as their first pick in 2022.

Agreed that this logic applies to Wheeler/Bob.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I'd be surprised it that's the case for new-wave scouts cause most of them had Cooley/Wright as their first pick in 2022.

Agreed that this logic applies to Wheeler/Bob.

The other factor is he plays in a league that most of those guys don't watch often, if at all, so they haven't seen him much and when they do, they aren't able to properly contextualize what he's doing.

I think there's also a counter bias going on in those types of scouting communities where its automatically assumed the smaller defenseman/forward has more offensive ability than the bigger guy. I'd actually rate ASP and Reinbacher's offensive games similarly. Neither one of them possess high end creativity or unique offensive tools that will have them being PP1 options.

So in the case of the two of them, Reinbacher is going to have an easier time translating his defense to the NHL because he's bigger, stronger, and mobile at that height. While both face the same challenges to create offense in the NHL.

 

[Playmaker09]

Hes not just skilled, he's a complete hound on the puck. Super tenacious. Good defensively, a bit of a pest and he can skate.

Nooooooo chance. Weakest part of his game, and incredibly PP dependent.

He's in the Musty/Wood grouping around ~20 for me. I've cooled on him from earlier in the year. Needs some serious growth at both ends of the ice to not go the route of Max Domi.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Just a few random questions and seeing what people think of random players.

Ryan Leonard - What is his comparison like to other players who've played with the USNDTP ?

Nate Danielson seems interesting looking at stats and whatnot. Size, captain already (karacteur) team doesn't seem to have anyone who stands out as a top player boosting his production.

Etienne Morin - Doesn't seem to have a lot of help to boost his numbers. Could be a pick with the habs 2nd ?

Milton Oscarson - Mid-Late draft pick ?
Jake Sloan - Late draft pick ?
Cole Brown - Mid draft pick ?
Ethan Miedema - Might not be as highly ranked given his play with Kingston, so might be a good value pick ?
Nico Myatovic ?
Florian Xhekaj - 6th/7th round pick ?
Connor Levis ?

Carter Sotheran ?
James Petrovski ?
Terrell Goldsmith - As a 6th/7th round pick ?

Now time to go and watch the habs be bad... hopefully.

 

[Jaynki]

Could just be the people I follow on Twitter, but outside of this group here, I see very few that are high on Reinbacher. Seeing lots of them putting him at 15+. Most of them have ASP higher.

Out of the big names (Bob, Pronman and Wheeler), only Pronman has him in the top 10.

Most new-wave scouts that focus on skill say that he has a high floor, but lower ceiling than ASP. I think the only analytics-oriented scout I saw that's high on Reinbacher was Byron Bader, who I know most people don't like here.

As someone who just reads a lot and doesn't really scout. What do you guys think is the discrepancy between what you guys see vs what they see? Is it what they value or just not putting enough time into properly scouting him?

With respect to Byron Bader.

What he does is nothing related to analytics.

He is simply taking a player production in his league, has established an equivalency between each league (example 1 CHL points = 0.3 NHL points, 1 AHL points = 0.5 NHL points, etc.) and then his models compares to historical data and set odds based on where past players with similar equivalency have fared in two category (NHL regular and NHL Star(above 0.7ppg in his career.)

The idea is nice but it is too simplistic right now and full of flaws. It barely has any utility as it is constructed right now. Go look at his past draft list and you will see how random and inaccurate it is.

Example in 2020, he had Stutzle 13 if i remember correctly and he totally busted the top 5.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I posted this in the Mock Draft, but Macklin Celebrini is currently having his way with the USHL. He's going to blow by Fantilli's numbers in his D -1 year, and has been putting up a ridiculous 2 ppg for about 15 games now.

Really hope he plays for Canada at U18s.

Like Fantilli, he'll be playing NCAA hockey in his draft year. He's going to Boston University (with Hutson).

Presumptive #1 pick for 2024.

 

[Lockin17]

Habs first pick = Smith
Panthers pick = Reinbacher
2nd = Harbal


best case scenario

 

[phillytennis]

Habs first pick = Smith
Panthers pick = Reinbacher
2nd = Harbal


best case scenario

Also like as our 2nd round pick...Morin or Cataford.

 

[calder candidate]

It think we need to pick two FW with our top 2 picks, D wasn’t supposed to be really strong in this draft I don’t see any sure fire 1st pairing D, forward are safer but you never know from 6-12 there no garantie thinking of what can happen thinking to VGK Glass and Suzuki. Ideally we add a 3rd 1st to pick a D but there will still be some interesting name available with our second.

 

[Mrb1p]

Could just be the people I follow on Twitter, but outside of this group here, I see very few that are high on Reinbacher. Seeing lots of them putting him at 15+. Most of them have ASP higher.

Out of the big names (Bob, Pronman and Wheeler), only Pronman has him in the top 10.

Most new-wave scouts that focus on skill say that he has a high floor, but lower ceiling than ASP. I think the only analytics-oriented scout I saw that's high on Reinbacher was Byron Bader, who I know most people don't like here.

As someone who just reads a lot and doesn't really scout. What do you guys think is the discrepancy between what you guys see vs what they see? Is it what they value or just not putting enough time into properly scouting him?

Most "scouts" are shills that don't actually scout. Theres still a lot of stereotypes in scouting. Small = Skilled and fast, big = not as skilled.

Reinbacher has all the skills to be a 1D, much more than ASP who doesn't possess a skill that makes him stand-out.


Heres Reinbachers shot, hes super good at finding a lane and he is deadly with his 360 mobility. The way he can walk in for a wrister or find a lane while walking the line is just gorgeous. That is probably the most valuable skill a defender can have to produce offensively. Just think of Weber, who couldn't do much offensively but could hammer pucks and just score goals on sheer will. Well, Reinbacher can do that, and more.

And then you'd think... It can't be that good. Well yes, it can buddy, yes it can ! His playmaking, hands and skating are super nice too ! Whats next youre gonna tell me he's good defensively ? Yes bud! Against men too.

Oh and while he's not a bruiser, he can play a physical brand of hockey too.

Nooooooo chance. Weakest part of his game, and incredibly PP dependent.

He's in the Musty/Wood grouping around ~20 for me. I've cooled on him from earlier in the year. Needs some serious growth at both ends of the ice to not go the route of Max Domi.

I respect you're opinion but Imma have to ask if you are on crack, sir.

While he's not a shutdown forward, he tries hard and is relentless on the back check. He tries and makes good plays more often than bad ones. He is dependant on the PP to score at historic rates, sure. He's not dependant on the PP to score at elite rates. He also only has 4 PPGs and Ziemmer has less than half of his goals on the PP too, its not like he's that dependant on the PP.

 

[Mrb1p]

It think we need to pick two FW with our top 2 picks, D wasn’t supposed to be really strong in this draft I don’t see any sure fire 1st pairing D, forward are safer but you never know from 6-12 there no garantie thinking of what can happen thinking to VGK Glass and Suzuki. Ideally we add a 3rd 1st to pick a D but there will still be some interesting name available with our second.

Reinbacher is as good a D prospect as anyone since Byram. (Maybe Powers.)

 

[Riggins]

Reinbacher is as good a D prospect as anyone since Byram. (Maybe Powers.)

Is it just me or is the hyperbole running wild on Reinbacher in here?

 

[Hannibal]

Is it just me or is the hyperbole running wild on Reinbacher in here?

It happens often when a draft is weak on defence. Scouts gonna promote the best d-man a lot and fans start to fall in love.

Reinbacher is good, but i ain’t picking him in the top 10. Reminds me of Guhle, actually.

 

[Goldenhands]

Could just be the people I follow on Twitter, but outside of this group here, I see very few that are high on Reinbacher. Seeing lots of them putting him at 15+. Most of them have ASP higher.

Out of the big names (Bob, Pronman and Wheeler), only Pronman has him in the top 10.

Most new-wave scouts that focus on skill say that he has a high floor, but lower ceiling than ASP. I think the only analytics-oriented scout I saw that's high on Reinbacher was Byron Bader, who I know most people don't like here.

As someone who just reads a lot and doesn't really scout. What do you guys think is the discrepancy between what you guys see vs what they see? Is it what they value or just not putting enough time into properly scouting him?

Before answering, I just wanted to mention that Reinbacher had a 2 pts game (1+1) today against Bern, likely in front of Hughes who apparently flew overseas to watch Reinbacher specifically. I think Kloten is playing playoffs games right now, so possibly the best moment to watch the kid live and see what he is made of, meet with him and get all the possible infos you can get.

I havent scouted ASP alot personally and I dont really know how he handles himself defensively, but I would be really surprised if he was close to Reinbacher when it comes to defending and physicaility, which one is very high end when it comes to Reinbacher, he is also much bigger and has the frame to play that type of hockey. Offensively, I noticed that ASP was an outstanding puckhandler, one of the best I saw in recent years, he really a beauty to watch while carrying the puck, very good skater, but his shot hasnt been a treath in this tournament, the main reason why he didnt get many pts IMO. when it comes to quarterbacking a PP, your shot needs to be a weapon in order to become a double treath instead of being more unidimentional, so the shot was lacking in this tournament, while Reinbacher's shooting skills are superior or more advanced at this point of their respective development. Reinbacher has all the tools to play 25 mins a night and be trusted in all situations, the reason why he seems a lock to become a solid top pairing in the making, ASP is similar to what Victor Soderstrom was in his draft year. I think talent level is close, but defensively is where Reinbacher clearly gets the edge.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Is it just me or is the hyperbole running wild on Reinbacher in here?

Maybe but it's hard to argue with settling the RHD position.

 

[le_sean]

Is it just me or is the hyperbole running wild on Reinbacher in here?

Don’t think there’s much hyperbole. I think most agree that he’s a future solid Top-4 defenceman rather than a #1. However, the same was said about Guhle and he’s looking incredible. The fact we can possibly pick the top defenceman in the draft and that he slots perfectly with our needs is enticing. I don’t think Barron is anything more than a #4 and I’m not really sure what Mailloux is, but it’s definitely not top pairing.

 

[Mrb1p]

Is it just me or is the hyperbole running wild on Reinbacher in here?

You can call it hyperbole if you want, Ill just say most people are lagging with their opinion of him. Happens all the time. People have pre-conceived notions of a player and the relative shift in opinion takes forever to settle in. I don't know if you're actually disagreeing or if you have any information, but if you do, provide. What do you think he lacks to be in a top defender ?

It happens often when a draft is weak on defence. Scouts gonna promote the best d-man a lot and fans start to fall in love.

Reinbacher is good, but i ain’t picking him in the top 10. Reminds me of Guhle, actually.

Guhle is like... one of the best u21 defender on the planet right now ? He's better than Sanderson who went #5 in a strong draft.

That he reminds you of Guhle isn't scaring me at all lol. I was low on Guhle too, and I think Reinbacher imposes his will a lot more on teams than Guhle.

Also, its not scouts promoting Reinbacher, a lot of them have ASP or Gulyayev ahead of him and almost none of them have him inside the top 10. I personally had him top 6 since january, and thats when I start scouting extensively.

Before awnsring, I just wanted to mention that Reinbacher had a 2 pts game (1+1) today against Bern, likely in front of Hughes who apparently flew overseas to watch Reinbacher specifically. I think Kloten is playing playoffs games right now, so possibly the best moment to watch the kid live and see what he is made of, meet with him and get all the possible infos you can get.

I havent scouted ASP alot personally and I dont really know how he handles himself defensively, but I would be really surprised if he was close to Reinbacher when it comes to defending and physicaility, which one is very high end when it comes to Reinbacher, he is also much bigger and has the frame to play that type of hockey. Offensively, I noticed that ASP was an outstanding puckhandler, one of the best I saw in recent years, he really a beauty to watch while carrying the puck, very good skater, but his shot hasnt been a treath in this tournament, the main reason why he didnt get many pts IMO. when it comes to quarterbacking a PP, your shot needs to be a weapon in order to become a double treath instead of being more unidimentional, so the shot was lacking in this tournament, while Reinbacher's shooting skills are superior or more advanced at this point of their respective development. Reinbacher has all the tools top play 25 mins a night and be trusted in all situations, the reason why he seems a lock to become a solid top pairing in the making, ASP is similar to what Victor Soderstrom was in his draft year. I think talent level is close, but defensively is where Reinbacher clearly gets the edge.

Reinbacher literally has all the strength of ASP on top of a booming shot, a deadly fast wrister, the size of an ox and the agression of a wolverine.

Ok, jokes aside, ASP is a more fluid skater and puckhandler than Reinbacher, but due to cheer size and power, the end results are the same. Reinbacher has great reach and power and this allows him to shed defenders and open up lanes on the same level that ASP does. Actually, Im pretty certain Reinbacher is faster than ASP, but ASP is very good at retaining speed because of his near-perfect edges.

I really like ASP if Im honest and think he's underrated in this crop, it's not as bad as they say defense wise. With that said, I do think he's similar in value to Hutson, and I do think Reinbacher is in another tier of defender.

 

[habsfan891]

If we are inside the top 6 I'll be mad if they take Reinbacher but at 7 plus it's a lot more palatable barring something crazy like Michkov still being on the board or something

 

[Boardish]

Before answering, I just wanted to mention that Reinbacher had a 2 pts game (1+1) today against Bern, likely in front of Hughes who apparently flew overseas to watch Reinbacher specifically. I think Kloten is playing playoffs games right now, so possibly the best moment to watch the kid live and see what he is made of, meet with him and get all the possible infos you can get.

I havent scouted ASP alot personally and I dont really know how he handles himself defensively, but I would be really surprised if he was close to Reinbacher when it comes to defending and physicaility, which one is very high end when it comes to Reinbacher, he is also much bigger and has the frame to play that type of hockey. Offensively, I noticed that ASP was an outstanding puckhandler, one of the best I saw in recent years, he really a beauty to watch while carrying the puck, very good skater, but his shot hasnt been a treath in this tournament, the main reason why he didnt get many pts IMO. when it comes to quarterbacking a PP, your shot needs to be a weapon in order to become a double treath instead of being more unidimentional, so the shot was lacking in this tournament, while Reinbacher's shooting skills are superior or more advanced at this point of their respective development. Reinbacher has all the tools to play 25 mins a night and be trusted in all situations, the reason why he seems a lock to become a solid top pairing in the making, ASP is similar to what Victor Soderstrom was in his draft year. I think talent level is close, but defensively is where Reinbacher clearly gets the edge.

Hughes and Gorton were at the Centre Bell tonight.