2023 NHL Entry Draft

[WeThreeKings]

ASP is basically a ND for me with our two first rounders. I take Reinbacher all day over him even though I think ASP is a little more dynamic because I much prefer Reinbacher's defensive game. To me ASP is just another Jordan Harris, which is not necessarily bad but is definitely not what we need.

Honestly I'd take Dragicevic over ASP. At least if Dragicevic makes it he'll be a dynamic offensive threat. ASP making it, as you said is a 3-5 while not bringing a unique dimension to our projected defense.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Honestly I'd take Dragicevic over ASP. At least if Dragicevic makes it he'll be a dynamic offensive threat. ASP making it, as you said is a 3-5 while not bringing a unique dimension to our projected defense.

Agreed even though I am not very high on Dragicevic he at least has some qualities that could make him special. He is also an absolute ND for me with our two first rounders but if he fell to us in the 2nd then I would certainly be good with that as unlikely as that is.

With a gun to my head having to pick one .....I say pull the trigger lol. No, but seriously I quite easily take Dragicevic in this scenario.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Agreed even though I am not very high on Dragicevic he at least has some qualities that could make him special. He is also an absolute ND for me with our two first rounders but if he fell to us in the 2nd then I would certainly be good with that as unlikely as that is.

With a gun to my head having to pick one .....I say pull the trigger lol. No, but seriously I quite easily take Dragicevic in this scenario.

Yes by no means am I advocating for Dragicevic with any of our current picks.. just that in my evaluation of the two and if I were the Habs, there's not a scenario where I'm taking ASP in round 1 and if I was forced to do it with Reinbacher gone, I'd gamble on Dragicevic.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Yes by no means am I advocating for Dragicevic with any of our current picks.. just that in my evaluation of the two and if I were the Habs, there's not a scenario where I'm taking ASP in round 1 and if I was forced to do it with Reinbacher gone, I'd gamble on Dragicevic.

I'm assuming that this is a scenario where you are only taking a RHD as I would take Simashev (LHD) as the next best dman as long as I had reason to believe that we could get him over here immediately.

Is it just me or does Dragicevic give you a poor man's Evan Bouchard vibe?

 

[WeThreeKings]

I'm assuming that this is a scenario where you are only taking a RHD as I would take Simashev (LHD) as the next best dman as long as I had reason to believe that we could get him over here immediately.

Is it just me or does Dragicevic give you a poor man's Evan Bouchard vibe?

He gives me Morgan Rielly vibes with less skating but a better shot.

EDIT: And yes, I was specifically talking RHD.

 

[Mrb1p]

Labeling this kid a bad skater is always hilarious

 

[Goldenhands]

Hughes and Gorton were at the Centre Bell tonight.

Hughes was at the game against the Rangers so he flew nowhere to see Reinbacher.

Wasnt Mark Denis the one saying he was leaving for Switzerland to watch him?

 

[Goldenhands]

Labeling this kid a bad skater is always hilarious

Kid clearly is a below average skater and his 200 ft. game terribly flawed, Im fully expecting him to drop on draft day, likely past the top 20.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Wasnt Mark Denis the one saying he was leaving for Switzerland to watch him?

He was booking his flights to Switzerland where the u18s are being held.

The quote got taken out of context as far as I can tell.

 

[DiglettDangles]

I'm feeling bummed.
Our lord and saviour Chuck Fletcher has been sacked.
We can no longer count on a classic Philadelphia garbage pick (hopefully) between our pick and FLA's.

 

[Mrb1p]

Kid clearly is a below average skater and his 200 ft. game terribly flawed, Im fully expecting him to drop on draft day, likely past the top 20.

There is nothing "below average" about Cristalls skating.




He's not defensively inclined but who gives a flying f*** about that, always a terrible way to judge a player.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Anyone know what date they’re having the lottery for the draft?

 

[Mrb1p]

Agree to disagree.

He has below average sense for the defensive side of the game, is not very active in his own zone, and the worst +/- on his team (where 90% of his team is positive). If all it took was effort and a bit of physicality, Josh Anderson would be a premier shutdown wing, but we all know that is far from the case.

In juniors, an elite offensive player should at least be able to outscore any defensive issues they have, but he doesn't. And 50% of his points on the PP is significant. 37 of 60 assists. He produces less at 5v5 than Sawchyn or Myatovic.

Why are we somehow dismissing PP production ? Players that produce on the PP are actually in demand, and players that can do it on the PP and at ES are usually elite. I've seen more than enough of Heidt to know what kind of player he is, he's a glue-guy, supporting kind of player that will make your whole line better. He plays like Marchand. His handles are near perfect, his passing is top 5 in the draft, he doesn't have intensity problems, he doesn't have skating problems. His shot is also very good and underrated.

Also, no one on his team actually is outscoring their "issues", not Ziemmer, not Wheatcroft, not anyone. Everyone is around -5/+5. That indicates you it's probably a team systems kind of thing.

Again, he's not great defensively, but much like Cristall... Who gives a flying f*** ? And while Cristall can cherry pick and be a floater, Heidt tries and is very good on the backcheck.

I mean it's analytics in the sense that he's trying to use numbers to better understand how players play. Is it the best one? No. Is it the worst one? Probably not either. I appreciate this because it gives you more information on a player, but if you base yourself solely on this, then obviously that's bad.

The reason why people don't like Byron is that he solely uses his numbers to make his arguments and doesn't add any context on top of it. He's the definition of a "spreadsheet scout."






First, just wanted to say that I really appreciate all of you taking the time to answer my questions, especially with so much detail haha. It's one of the main reasons why I prefer here vs Twitter.

From what I gather, I'd say that most scouts prefer ASP than Reinbacher because the "meta" right now seems to be really good skating and puckhandling in the offensive zone. Good skating translates (although not always) to better in transition in the neutral zone which then means more time in the offensive zone. Pair that with good puckhandling -> More chances to score.

Please tell me to f*** off if this is not correct, but would this be correct? In the offensive zone, both Reinbacher and ASP are pretty much the same. Reinbacher has bigger size and shot which allows him to be as good as ASP who has better puckhandling and vision? ASP is a better skater so he's better in transition than Reinbacher. Reinbacher is better defensively than ASP thanks to size and reach. I know IQ is also valued on these forums, so I'd assume Reinbacher might have better hockey IQ than ASP.

The other question would be: Is the reason why we're putting Reinbacher so high because we undervalued Guhle's strengths at the time?

Youre falling into the preconceived notion that small = faster. ASP is not a faster player than Reinbacher. ASP is fluid, especially when handling the puck, but he lacks separating speed and does not possess high end speed. I also don't think there's much, if any doubt that Reinbacher is the better offensive zone player. He is a superior player at walking the line and getting pucks through, let alone finding open ice to blast bombs and owning a superior array of shots. He is more agressive and attacks seams at a much greater pace than ASP. Both players move the box at an equal rate, and that is very high on both ends. ASP is just slower to process the next move he wants to make, or telegraphs it a bit more at times.

ASP actually struggles at times in transition, players come at him fast and he's slow to pick up the puck and make a move in corners to send the puck up ice. Reinbacher doesn't have that problem, at least, not anything special for a 18 years old kid playing against pros.

I was wrong about Guhle. I really thought his offensive upside was lower and that the NHL would close the gap he was able to exploit in the WHL. I also didn't find his production anything special. Thats the mistake you make of mostly stats watching, I didn't scout him much as I mostly focus on underdrafted players. With that said, I am way, way higher on Reinbacher than Guhle on draft day and Guhles already a #1 D most nights.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Labeling this kid a bad skater is always hilarious

This kid is falling, this kid is falling


This kid... didn't fall ?!

 

[Hannibal]

If we’re talking about complimentary winger, who do you prefer between Barlow or Leonard? Both seems more mature physically than their peers but they both are awesome in their own way.

 

[phillytennis]

Barlow...pure sniper...would be dangerous on the powerplay with Caufield!!

 

[bcv]

If we’re talking about complimentary winger, who do you prefer between Barlow or Leonard? Both seems more mature physically than their peers but they both are awesome in their own way.

Leonard.

He showed more tools and he still has room to grow and Barlow is basically knocking on retirement age already.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

If we’re talking about complimentary winger, who do you prefer between Barlow or Leonard? Both seems more mature physically than their peers but they both are awesome in their own way.

Prefer Leonard, but I like Barlow.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Barlow...pure sniper...would be dangerous on the powerplay with Caufield!!

Have watched him live and love his game. Seems to think the game well and is a pure scorer who loves to mix it up. He shoots to score every time with multiple release points like Mathews the dirty toe drags between legs. He has size, can skate, can handle the puck and competes hard with a world class shot/release and has received alot of praise for his leadership and work ethic.

Prefer Leonard, but I like Barlow.

I love both of them, I am leaning towards Barlow as I think he may be the better goal scorer but big yes for me on both kids.

 

[MON4NHLTOR4MLB]

I was excited all year for this draft but with this stupid team continuing to get points in games they shouldn’t and looking like they won’t get one of the top 6 spots/studs, plus the news of them apparently going off the board with the pick anyway, I almost don’t even care now. They already screwed up last years draft aside from Hutson

 

[Jaynki]

If we’re talking about complimentary winger, who do you prefer between Barlow or Leonard? Both seems more mature physically than their peers but they both are awesome in their own way.

Thats a tough one. I would be happy with both. I believe in a case like this, it is where the interview process and the personality becomes very important.

 

[Playmaker09]

Leonard is the more impactful player at both ends of the ice at 5v5, especially shift-to-shift, but Barlow has higher scoring upside.

I have Leonard a few spots higher.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I was excited all year for this draft but with this stupid team continuing to get points in games they shouldn’t and looking like they won’t get one of the top 6 spots/studs, plus the news of them apparently going off the board with the pick anyway, I almost don’t even care now. They already screwed up last years draft aside from Hutson

There is no "news" of them going off the board lol

And saying that they already "screwed up last year's draft" is further evidence that you aren't exactly prioritizing "evidence".

 

[Goldenhands]

If we’re talking about complimentary winger, who do you prefer between Barlow or Leonard? Both seems more mature physically than their peers but they both are awesome in their own way.

I like both, but Leonard has more tools in the toolbox IMO, he is the most explosive skater, the better puckhandler and has better vision/playmaking. I also like how Leonard can score goals several ways while Barlow mostly relies on his wrister.

 

[WeThreeKings]

If we’re talking about complimentary winger, who do you prefer between Barlow or Leonard? Both seems more mature physically than their peers but they both are awesome in their own way.

Leonard and its not close. He's more competitive. Better skater. Better shot. Better hands. Actually can pass the puck and there's more upside left to tap.