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SOLR said:
And this is why you can't rank Michkov behind Carlsson/Fantilli. Michkov is doing this in 2nd best pro league in the world, while being physically less advanced than Carlsson and Fantilli. There is a significant talent difference... a team with Caufield and Michkov would be nearly impossible to defend against because they would be on 2 different lines, thus at least one would get 2nd pairing/not shutdown guys.

Of course, Bedard and Caufield is in the same category, but I still consider that Michkov could be better than Bedard.
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I agree with you. But keep in mind that yesterday's game was two bottom dwellers facing each other, it can be easier to rack up points vs bad teams. He plays tomorrow vs Salavat Yulaev (a better team than Kunlun), I'll try to watch it if I can.

edit: As for the bolded, I think Michkov's tremendously high IQ could make this happen. He just has an innate tendency to make everyone around him better. He's a goal-scoring machine, but his vision really is off the charts. Special, special talent.
 
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le_sean said:
Congrats on picking Barlow with the 9th pick Hughes. That’s what we have to look forward to I imagine.
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That's not bad to grab Barlow... but Leonard, Moore, Yager, Dvorsky or Sale will be a great consolation prize even if Habs don't pick in top 6. That's not the best scenario, but not the end of the world. They all 5 looks have high potential to me.
 
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SOLR said:
And this is why you can't rank Michkov behind Carlsson/Fantilli. Michkov is doing this in 2nd best pro league in the world, while being physically less advanced than Carlsson and Fantilli. There is a significant talent difference... a team with Caufield and Michkov would be nearly impossible to defend against because they would be on 2 different lines, thus at least one would get 2nd pairing/not shutdown guys.

Of course, Bedard and Caufield is in the same category, but I still consider that Michkov could be better than Bedard.
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Its pretty obvious that Michkov is the biggest talent after Bedard and possibly better than many 1st overall pick since McDavid. Its all about the russian factor. I suppose that his interviews will have a lot of importance. (If he interviews at all).

If we pick 6th or 7th and he is still here, i would totally roll the dice on him. Habs need S-tier talent. We only have Caufield right now that is in that category. I believe Hutson could be. Slafkovsky maybe but right now i think he is A-tier prospect.

Bedard, Fantilli and Michkov are the S-tier prospect and its what the habs need. Disregard the size or the position.

Concerning Michkov, im speculating but i believe it also depends who draft him. His KHL contract is buyable. He might not be interested in going to Arizona or Columbus, but what about a big market like Chicago, Vancouver or Montreal ?
 
Jaynki said:
Its pretty obvious that Michkov is the biggest talent after Bedard and possibly better than many 1st overall pick since McDavid. Its all about the russian factor. I suppose that his interviews will have a lot of importance. (If he interviews at all).

If we pick 6th or 7th and he is still here, i would totally roll the dice on him. Habs need S-tier talent. We only have Caufield right now that is in that category. I believe Hutson could be. Slafkovsky maybe but right now i think he is A-tier prospect.

Bedard, Fantilli and Michkov are the S-tier prospect and its what the habs need. Disregard the size or the position.

Concerning Michkov, im speculating but i believe it also depends who draft him. His KHL contract is buyable. He might not be interested in going to Arizona or Columbus, but what about a big market like Chicago, Vancouver or Montreal ?
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He's not going to be there at 6th, I think GMs are playing a game of chicken to convince each other they won't take him in order to position themselves better for the draft.
 
SOLR said:
He's not going to be there at 6th, I think GMs are playing a game of chicken to convince each other they won't take him in order to position themselves better for the draft.
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I also think he is not there at 6.

But i can see a scenario where he is. Obviously it all depends on who picks where and who is on board. Its not out of the question that some teams pick Benson or Smith before him.
 
WeThreeKings said:
All depends who is picking at 3.

If CBJ is picking at 3, Michkov is definitely going there. But there's some other orgs like Arizona that I think would take Carlsson.
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I don't know about that, CBJ has been looking for a #1 centre for their entire existence. Kind of like us for the last 30 years. They will have Carlsson or Fantilli available if they pick 3rd. Just because Jarmo hasn't hesitated to pick Russians in the past doesn't mean he's automatically taking Michkov there. At 4th sure, I'd lock that in for CBJ. But not at 3rd.
 
Riggins said:
I don't know about that, CBJ has been looking for a #1 centre for their entire existence. Kind of like us for the last 30 years. They will have Carlsson or Fantilli available if they pick 3rd. Just because Jarmo hasn't hesitated to pick Russians in the past doesn't mean he's automatically taking Michkov there. At 4th sure, I'd lock that in for CBJ. But not at 3rd.
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Jarmo doesn't seem like a position chaser to me, but who really knows.
 
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If we don't draft first, take Michkov if available. Simple as that. Wait for him to come in N.A. if needed, it shouldn't affect us taking him at all. There is no way we should pass over that kind of talent.
 
CapSpace said:
If we don't draft first, take Michkov if available. Simple as that. Wait for him to come in N.A. if needed, it shouldn't affect us taking him at all. There is no way we should pass over that kind of talent.
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No scouts have seen Michkov play live in over a year. Fantilli's torching the NCAA and Carlsson's doing well in the SEL. Both have size.

I'm taking either of those two before Michkov.
 
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Schooner Guy said:
No scouts have seen Michkov play live in over a year. Fantilli's torching the NCAA and Carlsson's doing well in the SEL. Both have size.

I'm taking either of those two before Michkov.
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What is this the 80s? We dont know if Peter Statsny/Sergei Federov/Pavel Bure/Other eastern euro block super star is ACTUALLY good ?

The internet exists, Ive seen 7 games of Michkov so far this year and I haven't really chased his or had time to invest in his development. You think NHL teams don't see him ?

Also do russian scouts not exist ?
 
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1. Bedard
2. Michkov
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3. Fantili
4. Carlsson
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5. Reinbacher
6. Benson
7. Smith
8. Heidt
9. Cristall
10. Wood
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11. Dvorsky
12. Leonard


My top 12 is pretty much set in stone now. Unless something drastic happens to these guys or someone else outside the top 12, thats how its gonna be. Three very distinct tiers. The Habs need to dip in the first two, otherwise competing is gonna be next to impossible, unless they get a homerun somewhere a la Kucherov/Robertson

3-4 and 5-10 is a very close race between the horses, I kinda feel bad having Cristall and Smith so low, as a whole.

Next up, I gotta figure out what I do with Moore and Perrault.
 
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Sterling Archer said:
If Habs are drafting 5-7 and Michkov is there and they don’t take him, I’ll be upset.

He’s a 1st OA talent.
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The war in Ukraine isn't getting better. I'm not commenting on the morality of that or anything, just observing, the war is getting worse, at both ends, from both sides. It could even spread to places like Serbia or Armenia. It's likely that US-Russia relations will be even worse in two years, so it's sensible to avoid drafting Russians, nothing against those players who have nothing to do with the war, as Molson and Hughes have nothing to do with the war, but those players are unlikely to come here.
 
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Schooner Guy said:
No scouts have seen Michkov play live in over a year. Fantilli's torching the NCAA and Carlsson's doing well in the SEL. Both have size.

I'm taking either of those two before Michkov.
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That's not true, the KHL tapes are widely distributed (VHL too) and orgs have scouted like this for the past 24 months without issues.

The value to be in the same arena has been mostly reduced to the off-ice stuff like knowing X player is going clubbing every night, or Y player is a video gamer.
 
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DAChampion said:
The war in Ukraine isn't getting better. I'm not commenting on the morality of that or anything, just observing, the war is getting worse, at both ends, from both sides. It could even spread to places like Serbia or Armenia. It's likely that US-Russia relations will be even worse in two years, so it's sensible to avoid drafting Russians, nothing against those players who have nothing to do with the war, as Molson and Hughes have nothing to do with the war, but those players are unlikely to come here.
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If there was a ban on drafting Russian players, so be it. But by not drafting him, you’re letting a team higher up in the standings get a better asset.

Wars end. Regimes crumble. I think it’s too nearsighted to not draft a player because of a war his country started. I’m married to a Ukrainian and have a profound dislike for Russia and all the shit they’ve done. But this is mutually exclusive in my mind.

Talent is talent, and as far as I know, Michkov hasn’t done anything to not merit being drafted.
 
Sterling Archer said:
If there was a ban on drafting Russian players, so be it. But by not drafting him, you’re letting a team higher up in the standings get a better asset.

Wars end. Regimes crumble. I think it’s too nearsighted to not draft a player because of a war his country started. I’m married to a Ukrainian and have a profound dislike for Russia and all the shit they’ve done. But this is mutually exclusive in my mind.

Talent is talent, and as far as I know, Michkov hasn’t done anything to not merit being drafted.
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Would you have recommended drafting a German or Japanese player in 1937?
 
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