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2023 NHL Entry Draft

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Mrb1p said:
What is this the 80s? We dont know if Peter Statsny/Sergei Federov/Pavel Bure/Other eastern euro block super star is ACTUALLY good ?

The internet exists, Ive seen 7 games of Michkov so far this year and I haven't really chased his or had time to invest in his development. You think NHL teams don't see him ?

Also do russian scouts not exist ?
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Come on now! Are you really that obtuse that you don't think there are major limitations with video scouting? If that was the case, teams would save a pile of money by not sending scouts to watch players.

NHL teams currently can't send money to Russia to pay scouts. You might want to read up on current global events.
 
SOLR said:
That's not true, the KHL tapes are widely distributed (VHL too) and orgs have scouted like this for the past 24 months without issues.

The value to be in the same arena has been mostly reduced to the off-ice stuff like knowing X player is going clubbing every night, or Y player is a video gamer.
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The value to be in the same arena has little to do with learning about a player's character. It has everything to do with zeroing in a player they want to see in areas of the ice the camera isn't catching. It allows evaluators to get a full picture of their hockey sense, ability to read, anticipate etc. Very key components of evaluation that the camera doesn't always catch. Video scouting is a nice tool but it has limitations.
 
DAChampion said:
Would you have recommended drafting a German or Japanese player in 1937?
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Come on DA.
Schooner Guy said:
Come on now! Are you really that obtuse that you don't think there are major limitations with video scouting? If that was the case, teams would save a pile of money by not sending scouts to watch players.

NHL teams can't currently can't send money to Russia to pay scouts. You might want to read up on current global events.
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Sigh.
 
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Schooner Guy said:
The value to be in the same arena has little to do with learning about a player's character. It has everything to do with zeroing in a player they want to see in areas of the ice the camera isn't catching. It allows evaluators to get a full picture of their hockey sense, ability to read, anticipate etc. Very key components of evaluation that the camera doesn't always catch. Video scouting is a nice tool but it has limitations.
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In 2023, if you can't scout on video with the video tools that the scouts have you don't deserve to be sent in-arena. I know many scouts and many scout offices are starting to say they will stop sending their scouts outside of vetting the off-ice character. The video tools are that good.

It's not like they only see what the TV is offering, they can follow player by player, record each input etc.

Sending scouts in-arena also has the unfortunate side effect of reducing overall scouting hours vs. a pure video scout.
 
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SOLR said:
In 2023, if you can't scout on video with the tools that the video tools scout have you don't deserve to be sent in-arena. I know many scouts and many scout offices are starting to say they will stop sending their scouts outside of vetting the off-ice character. The video tools are that good.
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Do you never go watch games in person? Go watch live games and key in on a couple of players. There are so many elements of a player's game that the camera (focused on puck) doesn't catch. It's night and day. Only ultra-cheap organizations will stop sending scouts in-person.
 
Schooner Guy said:
Do you never go watch games in person? Go watch live games and key in on a couple of players. There are so many elements of a player's game that the camera (focused on puck) doesn't catch. It's night and day. Only ultra-cheap organizations will stop sending scouts in-person.
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This is an absurd discussion. The scouts have access to the full view of the arena in their video tools. Player-by-player analysis, recording, automated advanced stats recording etc. (better stuff than in the NHL video game camera controls...)

Again, wake up - it's not 1980. I know of some VR-enabled scouting tech being tested in the NFL (where most scouting tech is made) and it's coming to the NHL right after.
 
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SOLR said:
This is an absurd discussion. The scouts have access to the full view of the arena in their video tools. Player-by-player analysis, recording, automated advanced stats recording etc.

Again, wake up - it's not 1980. I know of some VR-enabled scouting tech being tested in the NFL (where most scouting tech is made) and it's coming to the NHL right after.
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This is indeed absurd. Why do teams have huge travel budgets for scouting? I'm not just talking about amateur scouting. Teams also have huge travel budgets for pro scouts to travel to and attend games. It's because being able to watch a player with a view of the entire ice is extremely valuable and video scouting has limitations.
 
Schooner Guy said:
This is indeed absurd. Why do teams have huge travel budgets for scouting? I'm not just talking about amateur scouting. Teams also have huge travel budgets for pro scouts to travel to and attend games. It's because being able to watch a player with a view of the entire ice is extremely valuable and video scouting has limitations.
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These budgets are melting in every pro league because when 6k-8k video arrives with near VR capabilities, suddenly video is higher definition than in person, because you have perfect control of the camera's location (multi-focal tech, like on your iphone).

Scouts are being sent because a significant % of those decisions are for what happens OFF the ice. That's why. They go into dressing rooms, they go talk to them, they talk to their family, hear about the parties, hear about the rumours etc.

I'm not even talking about the AI stuff that will cut the number of scouts in half (at least). Hockey teams are businesses, and technology is always cheaper than plane tickets = more profits. AND more scouting performance.
 
Sterling Archer said:
Lol. Really??

So American players shouldn’t have been drafted when they invaded Afghanistan or Grenada or Vietnam etc etc etc???

No Baltic players during the wars there?
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It's not about punishing players, that's a juvenile way of looking at it.

It's simply that as relations between the countries worsen, it will be harder and harder for people to move across.
 
SOLR said:
These budgets are melting in every pro league because when 6k-8k video arrives with near VR capabilities, suddenly video is higher definition than in person, because you have perfect control of the camera's location (multi-focal tech, like on your iphone).

Scouts are being sent because a significant % of those decisions are for what happens OFF the ice. That's why. They go in dressing rooms, they go talk to them, they talk to their family, hear about the parties, hear about the rumours etc.
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You sir are talking out of your rear end. I have four friends of over 30 years who are pro scouts in the NHL. One just got a Cup ring. They don't go into dressing rooms. That would be creepy! LMAO!
 
Schooner Guy said:
You sir are talking out of your rear end. I have four friends of over 30 years who are pro scouts in the NHL. One just got a Cup ring. They don't go into dressing rooms. That would be creepy! LMAO!
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In juniors, they hang around, sometimes in before the game when preparing the equipment... like lol...I never said they were taking showers with the players, the fact that you are pushing it to this extreme to make a point tells me a lot about you.

So you are friends with scouts and you haven't see their video tools? lol
 
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DAChampion said:
It's not about punishing players, that's a juvenile way of looking at it.

It's simply that as relations between the countries worsen, it will be harder and harder for people to move across.
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That’s just not applicable in this situation. Russian players WILL be drafted at the draft. Choosing to not draft a player who might be the best in the draft class because he’s Russian is plain dumb. Especially for a rebuilding team who can’t be picky about adding legitimate elite level talent to a team that doesn’t have any.

Would you rather Michkov get drafted by Ottawa, Toronto etc.?
 
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Sterling Archer said:
That’s just not applicable in this situation. Russian players WILL be drafted at the draft. Choosing to not draft a player who might be the best in the draft class because he’s Russian is plain dumb. Especially for a rebuilding team who can’t be picky about adding legitimate elite level talent to a team that doesn’t have any.

Would you rather Michkov get drafted by Ottawa, Toronto etc.?
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The point is not wether they WILL be drafted or not. We know they will be drafted. The point is that they may not be allowed to leave their country. Michlov said he wants to come to North America, but he might not have that opportunity. I'm all for drafting MIchkov btw, but if you are spending a prime assett of a company worth a billion, its a huge risk that needs to be taken into account.

You cant just say "duuuhhh war will end!". What if it doesnt? Thats the point.

And again, for the record, I would draft Michkov. But I dont have millions invested in the Habs.
 
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With all those wins, you guys better start looking at who should be available in the 8-10 range.
 
ginomini said:
The point is not wether they WILL be drafted or not. We know they will be drafted. The point is that they may not be allowed to leave their country. Michlov said he wants to come to North America, but he might not have that opportunity. I'm all for drafting MIchkov btw, but if you are spending a prime assett of a company worth a billion, its a huge risk that needs to be taken into account.

You cant just say "duuuhhh war will end!". What if it doesnt? Thats the point.

And again, for the record, I would draft Michkov. But I dont have millions invested in the Habs.
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Still worth it. This won’t last 5 years and likely done by the time his contract is up.

In the range Habs may be picking, no one comes close to Michkov. Someone’s going to take him after 5th, may as well be Canadiens.
 
SOLR said:
This is an absurd discussion. The scouts have access to the full view of the arena in their video tools. Player-by-player analysis, recording, automated advanced stats recording etc. (better stuff than in the NHL video game camera controls...)

Again, wake up - it's not 1980. I know of some VR-enabled scouting tech being tested in the NFL (where most scouting tech is made) and it's coming to the NHL right after.
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This is years away and will never be the case in the junior leagues and random Euro leagues. It's simply too expensive.

The only teams doing full arena replay (like 2k or ea sports) are the Brooklyn Nets and Cleveland Cavaliers. Even then there are some limitations and replays look choppy, but it is super cool. Also it takes a surprising amount of work to create the replays.

Sky cams in the NFL are amazing, and I think those will become popular in the NHL. VR scouting could become a huge part of future scouting, and I agree that it could definitely replace, and ultimately, improve upon in person viewings, but it will take years before it is the norm and I don't know if it will ever be standard in leagues without a huge budget.
 
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