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Just saying that he (Fantilli) could be our best offensive C after Suzuki next year. With his physical maturity and talent... So I could see him on the 2nd line.
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I love both, but I have Benson ahead quite easily. 5th-7th vs 9th-12th.
His motor is special and he will drive a top-6 NHL line on his own. He's everything we love about prime Gallagher (minus the goaltender interference shithousery) with twice the skill, vision and IQ. The type of player who wins you games.
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there's a bit of Stramel in there, his goal, etc//
MarkovsKnee
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I think Benson is a more complete player overall. PP, PK, protect the lead, get a lead, whatever you need. I also think he has a better shot. I think he will drive his own line at NHL level.
Cristall I'm more iffy on. He's either the next Keller or the next Eberle. What will help make him successful at the next level is that he's deceptive about everything. He hides his release really really well. He never closes off options, so he can pass or shoot. You don't know. He's got the drag, curl, shoot or pass move down pat. He uses his body to ensure he's open to either option, and he reads plays really well.
He needs to upgrade his skating. If he can do that, Keller is an up side. If not, more Eberle/Yamamoto.
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Thanks for the video. I saw this the other day when you posted it on Youtube snd I chuckled.
For the other posters here, I recommend clicking though on the video to watch on Youtube and then click on the Like and Subscribe buttons. Highly recommended.
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But you must admit, the Swedish hype machine was out in full force for Holtz and Raymond. Swedes were very passionate about those 2 players from an early age, I have not seen anywhere near the same level of dedication for Carlsson from people in Sweden.
Kobe Armstrong
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Disagree, and saying you think Fantilli ends up on the long term just sounds disingenuous to me. Dude has been a C his whole life and is physically ready. Carlsson is the one who has been playing W lately
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If Panthers miss the playoffs, that would be fantastic. Chiarot for a top 16 pick in a draft like that? Well done Hughes!!
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As good as Carlsson and Fantilli are, I would be gutted if we missed out on Bedard/Michkov. Hell if we miss out on any of those four, I am not going to be too optimistic about our future unless Mailloux/Hutson turn into star players.
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Hype and ability are two very different things. Raymon dand Holtz both played more internationally and had draft hype from age 15, but Leo Carlsson has been much better in their respective D-1 and D year.
Kobe Armstrong
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But how much of that is due to him being more physically ready at a younger age? He's a better SHL player than they were at 17, but will he be a better NHL player at 22?
I think Carlsson is an easy top 4 pick btw, I just really don't like him above the top 3 guys.
Also with what's looking like 2 picks in the 10-15 range right now and a huge need for RHD, I have a hunch we're coming out of this draft with David Reinbacher -- seems like the kind of players Hughes and Gorton would love
Mrb1p
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Hes a wet noodle. Physicality isn't part of his game, not at all. The hype thing is entirely on Holtz and Raymond doing good un u17 and u18 and being in the national program for a long time.
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Well, start getting ready to be disappointed. It's not a sure thing but doesn't look like the Habs are picking top 4.
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Wood's 6th of the season plus some shifts of him if you dig around (#71 blue) you can see the good and bad in this game from him. He looks so lumbering out there but that shot is sick. I don't think I would touch him top 15 but we'll see how things shake out.
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He should tone it down a bit, otherwise he's going 5th and we're not getting him!
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The search function is only giving me error messages, so apologies if this has been discussed already.
Is there a document outlining the NHL draft lottery rules? They're not in the rulebook or the CBA. All I can find is the press release outlining the changes: NHL announces changes to Draft Lottery format
I'm trying to answer two questions regarding the 'maximum twice in five years' rule.
Here's the actual language from the above press release (bolded emphasis as per original document):
"No single team will be able to advance in the Draft order by reason of winning a Lottery Draw more than two (2) times in any five (5) year period. This limitation will not affect a Club's ability to retain its presumptive Draft position in any Draft Lottery, nor would it preclude the possibility of the Club moving down in Draft Order to the extent other Clubs advance by reason of winning the Lottery Draws. For purposes of clarity, the limitation would attach to the team, not the specific pick."
1) Does the Habs 2022 lottery win count towards the two? The actual language seems to stipulate that the limit is on a team improving it's draft position, rather than just winning the lottery itself. In other words, winning the lottery when you're already the presumptive # 1pick might not count towards this limit?
2) Is a first round pick acquired from another team subject to this rule? For draft order purposes, these picks' presumptive position and lottery odds are both set by the original teams' standings. Would such a team's pick be subject to the original team's limits or the acquiring team's? Which team is 'advancing in the Draft oder?
Thanks, and apologies again if this has already been addressed.
Is there a document outlining the NHL draft lottery rules? They're not in the rulebook or the CBA. All I can find is the press release outlining the changes: NHL announces changes to Draft Lottery format
I'm trying to answer two questions regarding the 'maximum twice in five years' rule.
Here's the actual language from the above press release (bolded emphasis as per original document):
"No single team will be able to advance in the Draft order by reason of winning a Lottery Draw more than two (2) times in any five (5) year period. This limitation will not affect a Club's ability to retain its presumptive Draft position in any Draft Lottery, nor would it preclude the possibility of the Club moving down in Draft Order to the extent other Clubs advance by reason of winning the Lottery Draws. For purposes of clarity, the limitation would attach to the team, not the specific pick."
1) Does the Habs 2022 lottery win count towards the two? The actual language seems to stipulate that the limit is on a team improving it's draft position, rather than just winning the lottery itself. In other words, winning the lottery when you're already the presumptive # 1pick might not count towards this limit?
2) Is a first round pick acquired from another team subject to this rule? For draft order purposes, these picks' presumptive position and lottery odds are both set by the original teams' standings. Would such a team's pick be subject to the original team's limits or the acquiring team's? Which team is 'advancing in the Draft oder?
Thanks, and apologies again if this has already been addressed.
SOLR
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1) We still have our 2 times in the bank. It's improving, we didn't improve.
2) Good question, not sure.
MarkovsKnee
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1) Last year doesn't count as a lottery win as we didn't move up.
2) It's Florida's lottery spot. It should only affect them not us.
SOLR
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The spirit of the rule however is clear, it was to stop teams from benefiting from the lottery too much vs others (don't get too lucky!). I suspect the 2 times might include traded picks for this reason.
Your explanation also makes sense, but if I follow the reasons that brought us this rule, somehow I don't think a team getting gifted a 1st overall in a trade (via the lottery) and not counting it, would go over very well.
MarkovsKnee
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They've never clarified question #2 though. Technically, it's Florida's pick. And, I really don't care what "the spirit" of the rule is. Oilers got like 3 consecutive #1 picks, and like 4 in 6 years. Sabres got 2 1st OA picks in Powers & Dahlin.
If we win both lottery draws this year (ours & Fla), we should still have one more to win.
SOLR
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It's originally Florida's pick, but it's owned by us at the time of the lottery. Not sure what logic applies here. Original ownership vs. ownership at the time of the lottery. One thing for sure, trading for a 1st will become popular for rebuilding teams if it allows them to bypass the rule.
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