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Mister Hab said:
We need to finish bottom 10, correct? (to be in the lottery for the 1st or 2nd or 3rd overall). I'm 99% sure about this, but not 100% sure, yet!

Finishing outside of the bottom 10 won't get us in the lottery..I assume.
(really hoping for a top 10 pick! or...playoffs! nothing in between! hoping for a shot at the lottery..to move up to 1st or 2nd or 3rd overall!! Bedard or Fantilli or Carlsson).

Thanks/cheers (ahead of time for any info on this).
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All teams who miss the playoffs are eligible for the lottery, however the maximum spots you can move up is 10. So spots 12-16 are ineligible for first place. If 16 won the lottery they'd move to 6th.

The other caveat is there's only two draws now instead of 3. The maximum drop last place team can have is to third.
 
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SOLR said:
I think he's awesome, but I think he's slightly over-evaluated - he still needs to work on his consistency. If you placed the top 5 players in the NHL today, you would see the difference between Bedard & Michkov vs. the rest of the pack quite distinctively.
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I don't see how he's over-evaluated. He's placed in the top 4 of the draft and most often he's placed 3 or 4, and people are factoring in the geo-political and contract situation with Michkov.

There's no one else other than the top 4 in the draft that comes close to him in terms of ability, upside and production against quality of competition.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
I don't see how he's over-evaluated. He's placed in the top 4 of the draft and most often he's placed 3 or 4, and people are factoring in the geo-political and contract situation with Michkov.

There's no one else other than the top 4 in the draft that comes close to him in terms of ability, upside and production against quality of competition.
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I agree, but he's not Peter Forsberg either. ie. I feel there is no hype in what is seen (he's apparently really good), but I feel like there is some hype in his potential forward evaluation. His top-end is a bit unproven (compared to others), we'll need to see what he achieves at WJC-like events. This is the case for Fantilli as well.

Ie. you have to accept the narrative that he's a late bloomer to compare him with guys like Raymond who dominated one age group after the other. I'm not saying it's not there, I'm saying it warrants a bit of evaluation patience to get the full picture.
 
SOLR said:
I agree, but he's not Peter Forsberg either. ie. I feel there is no hype in what is seen (he's apparently really good), but I feel like there is some hype in his potential forward evaluation. His top-end is a bit unproven (compared to others), we'll need to see what he achieves at WJC-like events. This is the case for Fantilli as well.

Ie. you have to accept the narrative that he's a late bloomer to compare him with guys like Raymond who dominated one age group after the other. I'm not saying it's not there, I'm saying it warrants a bit of evaluation patience to get the full picture.
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Well he's already blown Raymond's draft year production out of the water.

He destroyed SWE-JR last year and had 9 pts in SHL games as a 17 year old.

His track record is quite good and the upside is completely apparent. The guy has skills, frame, and confidence to be a very good player.

It only sucks that we likely won't be able to draft him because we've been too good and he's been too good.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Well he's already blown Raymond's draft year production out of the water.

He destroyed SWE-JR last year and had 9 pts in SHL games as a 17 year old.

His track record is quite good and the upside is completely apparent. The guy has skills, frame, and confidence to be a very good player.

It only sucks that we likely won't be able to draft him because we've been too good and he's been too good.
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In the SHL, but Raymond did much better than Leo internationally, night and day better.

How much of this is body size considerations at a young age.
 
SOLR said:
In the SHL, but Raymond did much better than Leo internationally, night and day better.

How much of this is body size considerations at a young age.
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Sebastien Collberg also was night and day better than Leo internationally.

It's why I try not to let those tournaments decide for me, it's all about tools and projectability.. and Leo has all the tools and the projectability. He also has production at levels that do matter historically.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Sebastien Collberg also was night and day better than Leo internationally.

It's why I try not to let those tournaments decide for me, it's all about tools and projectability.. and Leo has all the tools and the projectability. He also has production at levels that do matter historically.
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No he wasn't. The points were there but the eye test was not there at all.
 
SOLR said:
I agree, but he's not Peter Forsberg either. ie. I feel there is no hype in what is seen (he's apparently really good), but I feel like there is some hype in his potential forward evaluation. His top-end is a bit unproven (compared to others), we'll need to see what he achieves at WJC-like events. This is the case for Fantilli as well.

Ie. you have to accept the narrative that he's a late bloomer to compare him with guys like Raymond who dominated one age group after the other. I'm not saying it's not there, I'm saying it warrants a bit of evaluation patience to get the full picture.
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Raymond had 4 points in 7 games at the WJC in his draft year, you really think Carlsson won’t show more? lol
 
SuzukiSZN said:
Raymond had 4 points in 7 games at the WJC in his draft year, you really think Carlsson won’t show more? lol
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Raymond was playing in a stronger team than Carlsson will be playing in. And you have to pay attention to the context here, Raymond dominated the U-18, Hlinka etc. - but this is a small winger vs. a physically mature center obviously a different context so Raymond had more physical scaling issues that Leo never will have. Raymond overcame this only in the NHL.
 
MarkovsKnee said:
Oliver Moore, Riley Heidt, Nate Danielson, Dalibor Dvorsky or Samuel Honzek, whoever is there with our 1st pick. All are centers.

2nd pick: David Reinbacher, or Axel Sandin-Pellikka, but neither is rated top 15 yet, so we'll see on that one. Both are RD.

If we get a third 1st round pick: Michael Hrabel (G)

With our early 2nd hoping for one of the goal scorers to still be there: Ethan Gauthier, Gabe Perreault, Koehn Ziemmer, Mathieu Cataford.
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Right now I would not have any issue taken Hrabal with a potential 3rd pick even if usually it try to stay away from goalie early but I don’t think the D will be BPA… even if C, RD, G check all the position of need I think we should just with go BPA available which is like to be 2FW, G or 3FW…
If we hit on the pick the player will have value or make someone else expanble (which is probably even better because of the cap) and we will be able to fix the holes via trade or UFA.
 
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Fuonki said:
I think that's a silly comment to make. If I were to have doubts about someone of those four it'd most definitely be Fantilli. He's spent the past couple years playing for some pretty damn stacked teams without having to show too much offensive creativity himself.
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Fantilli is a slam dunk NHL ready center next year, would be a perfect addition for us as 3C
 
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Mister Hab said:
We need to finish bottom 10, correct? (to be in the lottery for the 1st or 2nd or 3rd overall). I'm 99% sure about this, but not 100% sure, yet!

Finishing outside of the bottom 10 won't get us in the lottery..I assume.
(really hoping for a top 10 pick! or...playoffs! nothing in between! hoping for a shot at the lottery..to move up to 1st or 2nd or 3rd overall!! Bedard or Fantilli or Carlsson).

Thanks/cheers (ahead of time for any info on this).
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Whatever your 99% sure in anything in your life you should review it lol.
 
SOLR said:
I agree, but he's not Peter Forsberg either. ie. I feel there is no hype in what is seen (he's apparently really good), but I feel like there is some hype in his potential forward evaluation. His top-end is a bit unproven (compared to others), we'll need to see what he achieves at WJC-like events. This is the case for Fantilli as well.

Ie. you have to accept the narrative that he's a late bloomer to compare him with guys like Raymond who dominated one age group after the other. I'm not saying it's not there, I'm saying it warrants a bit of evaluation patience to get the full picture.
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I don't understand what youre saying... He legit has better stats all over the board than Raymond in his D-1 and D-2?
 
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Just seeing the odd highlight here and there I'm thinking Arber's younger brother, Florian might be a late round pick. Seems to be playing around that level, likely a 6th, or 7th, but with size, with recency bias of Arber and potentially being a unicorn in the league, a team might take him late 3rd, early 4th.

I know I've posted it before, but anyone else thinking the same ?
 
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TheDogCerby said:
Just seeing the odd highlight here and there I'm thinking Arber's younger brother, Florian might be a late round pick. Seems to be playing around that level, likely a 6th, or 7th, but with size, with recency bias of Arber and potentially being a unicorn in the league, a team might take him late 3rd, early 4th.

I know I've posted it before, but anyone else thinking the same ?
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TheDogCerby said:
Just seeing the odd highlight here and there I'm thinking Arber's younger brother, Florian might be a late round pick. Seems to be playing around that level, likely a 6th, or 7th, but with size, with recency bias of Arber and potentially being a unicorn in the league, a team might take him late 3rd, early 4th.

I know I've posted it before, but anyone else thinking the same ?
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I haven't seen him play but the Habs really need big players capable of defending the upcoming prospects, many of whom are small. Moreover, our main needs in terms of prospects are: goalkeeper # 1, defenceman right-hander #1 + 2, big + tall wingers ,especially on the left.
 
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For those who watched Benson and Cristall enough, 2 undersized, but very talented Western players producing at about the same crazy pace, who would you guys pick 1st and why?

I know NP will say Cristall, still curious to know his arguments.
 
Mrb1p said:
Heh, I think youre grasping at straws to have a different opinion.
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I think International play tells another side of the story that tends to correlate the best with the NHL (particularly for euros). I'm always looking twice at players who are performing well in euro leagues and then have a hard time against NA competition.

Goldenhands said:
For those who watched Benson and Cristall enough, 2 undersized, but very talented Western players producing at about the same crazy pace, who would you guys pick 1st and why?

I know NP will say Cristall, still curious to know his arguments.
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I don't have a strong opinion yet, I have Benson ahead because he's more proven internationally. These are questions usually for later in the season.
 
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