Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[JTToilinginToronto]

Leaf fan here. Just wondering on pure value nothing else.

Would knies + or knies ++ be a somewhat fair basis for a guy like Dobson?.

Eg: knies plus Cowan or knies plus next year's first (don't have one this year) + a spect be something within the ball park value of Dobson?

Nope

 

[MikeyMike01]

It’s crazy seeing people try to rationalize the “trade Dobson and re-sign Nelson” rumors.

…But there were also many who rationalized the Engvall signing. I guess I’ve been on here long enough to realize that no matter what Lou does, a subset here will always find a way to defend it.

Is the defense of Lou in the room with us now?

 

[Sparksrus3]

Is the defense of Lou in the room with us now?

You can not whack a boss without approval from the Commission

 

[The Real JT]

It’s crazy seeing people try to rationalize the “trade Dobson and re-sign Nelson” rumors.

…But there were also many who rationalized the Engvall signing. I guess I’ve been on here long enough to realize that no matter what Lou does, a subset here will always find a way to defend it.

The Engvall signing was never defensible IMO and obviously looks even worse now.

I’ll differ with you regarding Dobson. His lack of intensity and toughness worry me greatly. He’s still a very valuable asset and by no means should we trade him for anything but a very valuable return. I liken it to the situation we were in with Griffin Reinhart. Before anyone slams me regarding that comparison, Dobson is obviously a solid NHL asset while Reinhart was nowhere near that. My point is that you are hoping that Dobson lives up to his potential and I’m not sure that’s going to happen specifically on the defensive side. Aside from tying up a large chunk of change to re-sign Dobson, we also may miss out on the chance to retool on the fly with an NHL quality asset coming back in return.

So yes I would trade him but only for a sizable return. I don’t want the next Seth Jones or Darnell Nurse taking up space on our roster for the next 8 years.

 

[periferal]

Bottom line is that while we have Sorokin we are never going to be bad enough to fully tank, and this year's draft is super top heavy anyway. It kind of makes sense to retain Nelson if the deal is reasonable and just hope for a hot playoff run again one year.

No it doesn't, and here's why...

The Islanders are not coming close to a Stanley Cup while Nelson is still productive. That means you are literally holding a very valuable asset and just letting it slowly decay until it has no value - When instead you could actually get rid of that assets while it is very valuable and help this team increase its chances of winning long-term.

Given those two choices, there isn't a choice - Just an obvious path to take.

And you can see that Nelson is already starting to fade. The next contract he gets will probably be his last in the NHL. And if you resign him, the moment you do it cuts his value to other teams down by half at least given the contract he will get.

Lou has already proven he does not know how to maximize the salary cap to the Islanders benefit so there's zero reason to resign any player who will only make that worse, and especially when you trade him for younger assets that is how you will increase the odds of opening up a new Cup window as soon as possible.

The Isles should've traded Tavares when they had the chance and he was in his prime. Nelson is leaving his prime for a team nowhere near a Cup. To not trade him is true GM malpractice.