No idea why you constantly and antagonistically shit on others as if you yourself have any street cred here.
2023 NHL Draft situation
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EbonyRaptor
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With the rule change that a team can move up a maximum of 10 positions and with the certainty Bedard will go #1 - non-playoff teams that are not in the 11th worst position or higher have no chance to draft Bedard even if they do "win" the lottery.
Fantilli and some other very good players will be available after Bedard - but do teams really give up the playoffs to take a long shot at moving up 10 positions in the draft - I doubt it. Evev if they're picking in the back half of the first round they will still have a shot at a very good player.
EbonyRaptor
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Here are a couple writeups on Carlsson:
2024 NHL Mock Draft | NHL Projected Lines
Full round 2024 NHL mock draft projections, with trades and compensatory picks based on weekly team projections and college and amateur player rankings.
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and this on from Dobber Prospects:
4 | Leo Carlsson
C/W | Örebro (SHL) | 6-3 | 194 lbs | Shoots: L
Eetu Siltanen: In a similar mold to Fantilli, Carlsson is a well-rounded forward with a projectable frame. He has excellent puck skills and the ability to beat players with his hands – even in the SHL, where he already established himself as a regular player in his draft-1 season. Last season, he also showed great playmaking skills, vision, and high hockey IQ. Carlsson is probably the most experienced and mature player in the entire class with his late ’04 birth date and wealth of experience at Sweden’s top level. He has pretty much everything you can ask for and legitimate potential to become a high-end NHL player.
MicronMega
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Here are a couple writeups on Carlsson:
2024 NHL Mock Draft | NHL Projected Lines
Full round 2024 NHL mock draft projections, with trades and compensatory picks based on weekly team projections and college and amateur player rankings.
and this on from Dobber Prospects:
4 | Leo Carlsson
C/W | Örebro (SHL) | 6-3 | 194 lbs | Shoots: L
Eetu Siltanen: In a similar mold to Fantilli, Carlsson is a well-rounded forward with a projectable frame. He has excellent puck skills and the ability to beat players with his hands – even in the SHL, where he already established himself as a regular player in his draft-1 season. Last season, he also showed great playmaking skills, vision, and high hockey IQ. Carlsson is probably the most experienced and mature player in the entire class with his late ’04 birth date and wealth of experience at Sweden’s top level. He has pretty much everything you can ask for and legitimate potential to become a high-end NHL player.
If you have a prospect excelling against men in the SHL, I would assume it raises his value. As much as Bedard would be a great pick up, having a 6'3" center like Carlsson or Fantilli would be great long term in a rebuild
RememberTheRoar
“I’m not as worried about the 5-on-5 scoring.”
I agree. I appreciate the work Musto puts in despite him latching on irrationally to certain guys.
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I'm sorry, when a guy accuses LR of sabotaging Mitchells career, along with his base evaluation of Mitchell as a player (Letang,....Really?), along with a litany of bad takes and tantrums regarding his picks and where others rate or take them, there is absolutely no way I can take any of his scouting takes seriously.
RememberTheRoar
“I’m not as worried about the 5-on-5 scoring.”
Putting Fantilli or Carlsson ahead of Bedard solely because they’re bigger seems like a bad idea. Skill-wise, Bedard seems like the most special prospect since McDavid
RememberTheRoar
“I’m not as worried about the 5-on-5 scoring.”
All his whiny and weird BS can be separated from the actual effort he puts into prospect evals though. He obviously tries there, way more than I do, that’s for sure
Did I lie?
His 2 recent generational talents were Strome and Mitchell.
I guess the difference is I don’t PRETEND to have the scoop on 17 year old kids succeeding in the NHL.
And to be precise I call out 2 people. Musto and moms basement moderator. Yet you constantly and antagonistically leap to defend them.
I find most here have reasonable takes on players. Those 2, not so much.
Kevin Musto
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Yeah as much as I love Fantilli, Bedard is still the guy.
But if you're picking at 2, you get one hell of a consolation prize. In most drafts, Fantilli goes number one.
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Connor BeJesus
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Bedard also won't turn 18 until July of next year. Fantilli is already 18 (will be 19 next season) and Carlsson will turn 18 in a few days. Another reason why Bedard is so tantalizing.
RememberTheRoar
“I’m not as worried about the 5-on-5 scoring.”
I don’t like bullies. Piling on as you do is cowardly. You can disagree with people without being a dick.
EbonyRaptor
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Having to wade through the "sticks and stones" comments so often it makes me wonder the age demographic on the Hawks board. I'm a senior citizen so that probably disqualifies my opinion on internet etiquette but it seems to me this place would be more fun without so many immature squabbles. For all the grief fiddy takes, most of which is deserved, I give him credit for staying above the fray - he just posts what he thinks and moves on to scramble his next missive.
CallMeShaft
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Hattrick Kane
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Or that he can read at all
That's why I said I don't worry about the tank that much. This team will lose, they will only get worse with the trades that will happen and they will end up with a great prospect.
ColbyChaos
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You say the Sabres and Oilers didnt work out because of some idiotic "loser culture" cliche you claim exists when the reasons why those teams have been asscheeks for so damn long is the fact they had some of the worst drafting and asset management under several terrible GMs. Oilers had Chia and before him were a rotating cast of clowns who were more concerned with celebrating what they did in the 80s instead of managing a hockey team. Chia shouldnt need much explanation if you know anything at all about the league. Dude completely stalled the Oilers rebuild by trading Hall for Adam Larson, Trading the Barzal pick for an AHL Dman, trading Beauvillier for nothing. He almost traded Draisaitl for PK Subban for christs sake. You shit on Edmonton when they had a person who somehow had less intelligence than you running the show.
For a very long time the only Sabres player drafted outside of round 1 to even play 100 games was Viktor Oloffson who was drafted almost 10 years ago in 2014.
If the Hawks are able to find and draft players outside of the top 5 they should have no problems avoiding this so called loser culture you claim exists
Chuck Testa
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This year definitely seems like a good year to finish toward the bottom of the standings.
Everybody seems to be in agreement that Bedard is generational so whoever gets the first pick (hopefully the Hawks
) will be getting an absolute stud.
I'm really liking what I've seen of Fantilli and Carlsson seems like he's going to be a great player as well so if the Hawks wind up with either of those 2 as a consolation I will not be disappointed one bit.
Everybody seems to be in agreement that Bedard is generational so whoever gets the first pick (hopefully the Hawks
) will be getting an absolute stud. I'm really liking what I've seen of Fantilli and Carlsson seems like he's going to be a great player as well so if the Hawks wind up with either of those 2 as a consolation I will not be disappointed one bit.
Im fine with any of those 3. Fantilli carlsson sound like 2 way centers with some size. scoring wingers are so much easier to find then 2 way Centers with some size. also scoring wingers get paid $$$ But Centers and D and Goalies seem to have a bigger effect on winning ST IMOThis year definitely seems like a good year to finish toward the bottom of the standings.
Everybody seems to be in agreement that Bedard is generational so whoever gets the first pick (hopefully the Hawks
I'm really liking what I've seen of Fantilli and Carlsson seems like he's going to be a great player as well so if the Hawks wind up with either of those 2 as a consolation I will not be disappointed one bit.
RememberTheRoar
“I’m not as worried about the 5-on-5 scoring.”
Pronman was on with the HawksTalk podcast. A few highlights from him:
- Bedard, Fantilli, and Carlsson would all likely go #1 overall in the last two drafts. Michkov could talent wise, but KHL situation would probably pull him down.
- There’s a debate between Bedard and Fantilli for #1. It comes down to whether you think Bedard’s offense outweighs all the other stuff Fantilli appears to do better. Pronman said it’s still likely Bedard’s offense does keep him #1.
- Carlsson doesn’t skate as well as Fantilli, and is a winger who “could play center” in the NHL
- He called Reichel an NHL winger
- He’s high on Korchinski and said there’s nobody in this draft at Korchinski’s level
- He likes Issak Phillips, but said the hawks still have work to do on the defensive prospect pool
- He said Rinzel is doing fine, but hasn’t been outstanding. Still a size/skill guy that remains a project
- He likes Nazar and thinks he’ll be a good top-6 player, but isn’t sure whether he’ll be better than Dach
- Bedard, Fantilli, and Carlsson would all likely go #1 overall in the last two drafts. Michkov could talent wise, but KHL situation would probably pull him down.
- There’s a debate between Bedard and Fantilli for #1. It comes down to whether you think Bedard’s offense outweighs all the other stuff Fantilli appears to do better. Pronman said it’s still likely Bedard’s offense does keep him #1.
- Carlsson doesn’t skate as well as Fantilli, and is a winger who “could play center” in the NHL
- He called Reichel an NHL winger
- He’s high on Korchinski and said there’s nobody in this draft at Korchinski’s level
- He likes Issak Phillips, but said the hawks still have work to do on the defensive prospect pool
- He said Rinzel is doing fine, but hasn’t been outstanding. Still a size/skill guy that remains a project
- He likes Nazar and thinks he’ll be a good top-6 player, but isn’t sure whether he’ll be better than Dach
Hattrick Kane
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I’m fine with Reichel as a winger.
If you need defense, you’re SOL this draft. I’m glad Davidson went for it last year.
I think the defensive pool isn’t that bad, it’s just that a lot of people value puck moving and points above all else. In which case yes, the Hawks don’t have a lot of that.
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