2023 NHL Draft situation

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How do you all see the Kraken's turnaround and think the only way to build a team is to root for several more years of trying to lose? Did anyone think they were a Burakovsky and Bjorkstrand free agent signing away from being one of the top teams in the conference? Did they announce that they were going for it this year? Should they still be trying to lose every game since they weren't expected to be competent?
This is a terrible example. First of all, they were gifted 3rd best odds at a top pick in 2021, they got 2nd overall. So, yes they did basically the equivalent of bottoming out like we are now. Without Beniers they don't have as much "success" as they're having now. Also, let me know when they a) make the playoffs b) do anything. They also had extremely favorable expansion draft rules and honestly didn't do much with them. They could be even better than they are but it isn't due to shrewd GM'ing and not aiming to lose.

Tank away, Chi-town!
 
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This is a terrible example. First of all, they were gifted 3rd best odds at a top pick in 2021, they got 2nd overall. So, yes they did basically the equivalent of bottoming out like we are now. Without Beniers they don't have as much "success" as they're having now. Also, let me know when they a) make the playoffs b) do anything. They also had extremely favorable expansion draft rules and honestly didn't do much with them. They could be even better than they are but it isn't due to shrewd GM'ing and not aiming to lose.

Tank away, Chi-town!
So according to you, they should still be tanking since they haven't done anything. They shouldn't have signed Burakovsky or Bjorkstrand either, right?
 
So according to you, they should still be tanking since they haven't done anything. They shouldn't have signed Burakovsky or Bjorkstrand either, right?
If your point is that Chicago should have signed fa’s and tried to be competitive, you’re welcome to think that, but Kraken’s yet to be determined success going that route demonstrates nothing pertaining to the Blackhawks.
 
So according to you, they should still be tanking since they haven't done anything. They shouldn't have signed Burakovsky or Bjorkstrand either, right?
I'd be willing to wage that unless Wright really pans out, Seattle continues to sit around an 8-14th place team in the league. I think they'll be a treadmill team, barring any major UFA moves or favorable trades.

To your point though, I like what they did in the offseason and in many of my prediction posts, had them rising in the league BUT realistically, if they had waited a year to sign a bunch of UFAs and allowed themselves to bottom out another year, they'd be absolutely primed for a brighter future than they are currently on the path for. Imagine Beniers + Bedard + Wright, then add in some UFA signings, etc.
 
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How do you all see the Kraken's turnaround and think the only way to build a team is to root for several more years of trying to lose? Did anyone think they were a Burakovsky and Bjorkstrand free agent signing away from being one of the top teams in the conference? Did they announce that they were going for it this year? Should they still be trying to lose every game since they weren't expected to be competent?
The west is a pretty trash conference so being a top team is not really a shining accomplishement considering there is what 4 teams that have a positive goal differential. Seattle is a ways away from actual contention

This is a terrible example. First of all, they were gifted 3rd best odds at a top pick in 2021, they got 2nd overall. So, yes they did basically the equivalent of bottoming out like we are now. Without Beniers they don't have as much "success" as they're having now. Also, let me know when they a) make the playoffs b) do anything. They also had extremely favorable expansion draft rules and honestly didn't do much with them. They could be even better than they are but it isn't due to shrewd GM'ing and not aiming to lose.

Tank away, Chi-town!
For real not even going into how pathetic the pacific is right now. Only 2 teams even have a positive goal differential
 
The Kraken have like a .890 sv%. Definitely how you build a winner.
I'd rather be a team looking to improve on that than be a team that can't score. For now, they seem to have enough offense. They're just getting started. My original point is that teams don't need to sit in neutral for five years waiting for some day when all of the fans think it's finally time to "go for it". Everyone in this thread would say their free agent signings don't fit Wright's and Beniers' timeline, whatever that means.
 
I'd be willing to wage that unless Wright really pans out, Seattle continues to sit around an 8-14th place team in the league. I think they'll be a treadmill team, barring any major UFA moves or favorable trades.

To your point though, I like what they did in the offseason and in many of my prediction posts, had them rising in the league BUT realistically, if they had waited a year to sign a bunch of UFAs and allowed themselves to bottom out another year, they'd be absolutely primed for a brighter future than they are currently on the path for. Imagine Beniers + Bedard + Wright, then add in some UFA signings, etc.
Again, so they're supposed to sit idle in fear of being stuck below the elite level teams? Who and when judges this prognostication? Were they supposed to seek out the expert rankings back in August and determine their best finish is 8-14th this year, so they might as well fold it all up and wait for another season to pass?
 
So according to you, they should still be tanking since they haven't done anything. They shouldn't have signed Burakovsky or Bjorkstrand either, right?
no they should not have. they would be a middling team because they have no goalie and 1 defenseman and that's one player on a hot streak and one middling player. They would most likely pick 7th instead of 1-2-3 if they signed both of them. Bedard has the possibility to be a franchise altering player.
 
I'd rather be a team looking to improve on that than be a team that can't score. For now, they seem to have enough offense. They're just getting started. My original point is that teams don't need to sit in neutral for five years waiting for some day when all of the fans think it's finally time to "go for it". Everyone in this thread would say their free agent signings don't fit Wright's and Beniers' timeline, whatever that means.
I'm with you on this. Starting next season the team should be getting better, or at the very least younger with promising kids working at being better. No interest in becoming the Coyotes.
 
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I'm with you on this. Starting next season the team should be getting better, or at the very least younger with promising kids working at being better. No interest in becoming the Coyotes.
looking at who we are going to trade at the deadline and who we have under contract. we are going to be even worse next year. UFA class isnt very good either. They will have to spend some money on someone.

I cant even guess who the #1 center will be. Domi? Monahan? Haula? Horvat? Acciari?

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looking at who we are going to trade at the deadline and who we have under contract. we are going to be even worse next year. UFA class isnt very good either. They will have to spend some money on someone.

I cant even guess who the #1 center will be. Domi? Monahan? Haula? Horvat? Acciari?

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By getting better I mean progressing. This year is basically a total write off.
 
Again, so they're supposed to sit idle in fear of being stuck below the elite level teams? Who and when judges this prognostication? Were they supposed to seek out the expert rankings back in August and determine their best finish is 8-14th this year, so they might as well fold it all up and wait for another season to pass?
Honestly, yes. If they had waited one more year in an attempt to be highly competitive, they'd have a brighter future with an actual shot at the Cup. They're admittedly in a better position than most, given their very generous expansion draft rules, but stumbling the first two years would have been acceptable and possibly given them the highly-drafted game-breaking talent you need to win the Cup.

Take a look at who has actually won anything over the last decade or more and let me know when they didn't have a bottoming-out period prior to their success, or at the very least find a way to add former high-end draft talent (St. Louis may be the only anomaly).

What you're describing regarding Seattle's current approach is a great recipe for a treadmill team. Same with the Hawks. I'd rather suffer through the terrible years of losing to come out the other side with a legit shot at a Cup than try to swing for the fences year after year. The system is designed so bad teams become great and great teams become bad.

EDIT: before you throw Buffalo and Edmonton and all the recently highly drafting teams at me with limited success, I'll just say that it takes time and you're seeing the MacKinnons surpass the Crosbys and you'll then see the McDavids (if they do it right) surpass MacKinnon, and then Bedard and co. surpass McDavid. It depends on when you bottom out in relation to the elite-level talent that still exists in the league.
 
Again, so they're supposed to sit idle in fear of being stuck below the elite level teams? Who and when judges this prognostication? Were they supposed to seek out the expert rankings back in August and determine their best finish is 8-14th this year, so they might as well fold it all up and wait for another season to pass?
Rather be bad for a few years like we were in the 2000s and draft a core that cup contend for multiple years over doing what the Kraken are doing.

If you want to be okay with being a “playoff team” while also never being an actual threat to win a title become a fan of the Wild. If you don’t have a #1D a #1C and great depth you are never winning anything.


You’d think after our own 2021 offseason idiot fans would know better that jumping the gun and chasing being mediocre is how you end up with an anchor signed to 7 more years.
 
Rather be bad for a few years like we were in the 2000s and draft a core that cup contend for multiple years over doing what the Kraken are doing.

If you want to be okay with being a “playoff team” while also never being an actual threat to win a title become a fan of the Wild. If you don’t have a #1D a #1C and great depth you are never winning anything.


You’d think after our own 2021 offseason idiot fans would know better that jumping the gun and chasing being mediocre is how you end up with an anchor signed to 7 more years.
Kraken do have a couple guys that could be #1 centers. It is very hard to find those top end dmen that they do not have right now. Maybe Seth wants to go to Seattle.

McCann and Dunn for Seth Jones
 
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